3runs....2003 CL-S MT vs. 2001 CL-S AT 2001 Ruled!!!
03-29-2002, 02:51 PM
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3runs....2003 CL-S MT vs. 2001 CL-S AT 2001 Ruled!!!
I recently did (3) 0-100 runs with my CL against a new 6 speed.
Victory 3x by nearly 1/2 - 1 1/2 car lengths on each run with the 2001
Each run was from a stoplight using the signals as staging.
Each run had the same outcome.
In all 3 of the runs the 6 speed jumped 1/2 car off the light up until the shift point at the end of 1 st gear. Each of the 3 runs, my 2001 pulled ahead before the end of the 2-3 shift. I dont know the shift point s but obviously this guy should have won.
I asked to switch cars and he wouldnt try this. I truly wanted to see if it is the car or the driver. His launch and shifts sounded good but he couldnt hang with my second gear.
I have a CAI, springs and was running 2 gals of 100 ll with the rest 94 octane Sunoco Ambient temp was about 25 degrees. Each shift was done manual through the gate. Even with the traction loss on the 1-2 on the Auto,
Finally, after the last run wewhit a cloverleaf and the rest was History. I smoked him...Good thing we had traffic or I would have gotton killed after the end of 3rd gear....
Are you on this board yet?????
Victory 3x by nearly 1/2 - 1 1/2 car lengths on each run with the 2001
Each run was from a stoplight using the signals as staging.
Each run had the same outcome.
In all 3 of the runs the 6 speed jumped 1/2 car off the light up until the shift point at the end of 1 st gear. Each of the 3 runs, my 2001 pulled ahead before the end of the 2-3 shift. I dont know the shift point s but obviously this guy should have won.
I asked to switch cars and he wouldnt try this. I truly wanted to see if it is the car or the driver. His launch and shifts sounded good but he couldnt hang with my second gear.
I have a CAI, springs and was running 2 gals of 100 ll with the rest 94 octane Sunoco Ambient temp was about 25 degrees. Each shift was done manual through the gate. Even with the traction loss on the 1-2 on the Auto,
Finally, after the last run wewhit a cloverleaf and the rest was History. I smoked him...Good thing we had traffic or I would have gotton killed after the end of 3rd gear....
Are you on this board yet?????
i 2nd that
03-29-2002, 03:41 PM
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You lucked out a good 6MT driver w/ a properly broken-in engine will not lose to the a 5EAT. Impossible. There is less drive train loss, open differential v. HLSD, rims are lighter and the, drive train is lighter. You had a CAI. Run the same mods and a good driver the 6MT should win.
03-29-2002, 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by Zapata
You lucked out a good 6MT driver w/ a properly broken-in engine will not lose to the a 5EAT. Impossible. There is less drive train loss, open differential v. HLSD, rims are lighter and the, drive train is lighter. You had a CAI. Run the same mods and a good driver the 6MT should win.
You lucked out a good 6MT driver w/ a properly broken-in engine will not lose to the a 5EAT. Impossible. There is less drive train loss, open differential v. HLSD, rims are lighter and the, drive train is lighter. You had a CAI. Run the same mods and a good driver the 6MT should win.
Yeah.......what he said.
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Originally posted by Zapata
You lucked out a good 6MT driver w/ a properly broken-in engine will not lose to the a 5EAT. Impossible. There is less drive train loss, open differential v. HLSD, rims are lighter and the, drive train is lighter. You had a CAI. Run the same mods and a good driver the 6MT should win.
You lucked out a good 6MT driver w/ a properly broken-in engine will not lose to the a 5EAT. Impossible. There is less drive train loss, open differential v. HLSD, rims are lighter and the, drive train is lighter. You had a CAI. Run the same mods and a good driver the 6MT should win.
I dont know Zap. I cant see a CAI and a poorely broken engine (which is completely hypothetical) making the difference.
03-29-2002, 05:19 PM
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I LOVE my Classy/Chromey 2001 !:P :P :P 
03-29-2002, 05:57 PM
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It has nothing to do with the car being broken in or not...!:shakehd:
I guarantee you $1000, put me in the drivers seat of a 03 six speed and you'd be staring at my taillights ALL 3 RUNS.
I guarantee you $1000, put me in the drivers seat of a 03 six speed and you'd be staring at my taillights ALL 3 RUNS.
03-29-2002, 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by TypeSKid
It has nothing to do with the car being broken in or not...!:shakehd:
It has nothing to do with the car being broken in or not...!:shakehd:
03-29-2002, 06:49 PM
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No there isn't.
Look at any Road & track or motor trend long term test, and compare the new 0-60 and 1/4 mile times against the 50K mile tests.
Its generally .2-.4MAX difference.
BTW, you don't know what speed is about. Get the headers, then we'll talk.
Look at any Road & track or motor trend long term test, and compare the new 0-60 and 1/4 mile times against the 50K mile tests.
Its generally .2-.4MAX difference.
BTW, you don't know what speed is about. Get the headers, then we'll talk.
03-29-2002, 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by Nicky Pass
Manual transmissions don't always = faster cars!!!
Manual transmissions don't always = faster cars!!!
03-29-2002, 07:07 PM
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I have also noticed a huge feeling of traction increase since I installed my Comptech springs last weekend....
More than handling the biggest increase in performance is in the lack of the front end lifting and diving when accelerating and braking...
More than handling the biggest increase in performance is in the lack of the front end lifting and diving when accelerating and braking...
03-29-2002, 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by Nicky Pass
Manual transmissions don't always = faster cars!!!
Manual transmissions don't always = faster cars!!!
I didn’t buy mine for slightly faster 0-60 or stoplight drag times, I bought it for more fun on the twisty roads by my house and for better all around control of the car.
PLUS IT’S SO GOSH DARN FUN TO DRIVE !!!!!!!
Shawn S
03-29-2002, 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by BBsAcuraRacing
I have also noticed a huge feeling of traction increase since I installed my Comptech springs last weekend....
More than handling the biggest increase in performance is in the lack of the front end lifting and diving when accelerating and braking...
I have also noticed a huge feeling of traction increase since I installed my Comptech springs last weekend....
More than handling the biggest increase in performance is in the lack of the front end lifting and diving when accelerating and braking...
i see the broken in car gaining about .2 secs... the CAI adding another .1 sec and the bad/unagressive stick driver with bad launch technique losing another .3-.4 seconds. That's about .7 total which more than makes up the .5 second difference between the stock 6mt and 5auto.
03-29-2002, 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by my2sense
i see the broken in car gaining about .2 secs... the CAI adding another .1 sec and the bad/unagressive stick driver with bad launch technique losing another .3-.4 seconds. That's about .7 total which more than makes up the .5 second difference between the stock 6mt and 5auto.
i see the broken in car gaining about .2 secs... the CAI adding another .1 sec and the bad/unagressive stick driver with bad launch technique losing another .3-.4 seconds. That's about .7 total which more than makes up the .5 second difference between the stock 6mt and 5auto.
I'll just wait for Shawn to bring his to the track and post his timeslips.
03-29-2002, 11:22 PM
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i am still happy about my 2001 cls..if i have a chance to buy a 2003 cls..i will still buy auto..why..because it is not really a sport car..i treat it as a lexury coupe....it should be easy to drive..relax and powerful..that is why i buy cls..so what do u guys think..fwd is not always a good handling sports car..especially when at cornering....that is why...all the super sports cars are RWD or even some are AWD (with different torque distribution at front wheels and rear wheels..such as Lambourghini diablo and porsche 911 turbo..)that is what i just thought..
03-29-2002, 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by BBsAcuraRacing
I have also noticed a huge feeling of traction increase since I installed my Comptech springs last weekend....
More than handling the biggest increase in performance is in the lack of the front end lifting and diving when accelerating and braking...
I have also noticed a huge feeling of traction increase since I installed my Comptech springs last weekend....
More than handling the biggest increase in performance is in the lack of the front end lifting and diving when accelerating and braking...
Was that at the dealer ?? I wanna join
03-30-2002, 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by fast_daddy_car
Since you did all this math, why even race now that we know the outcome
Since you did all this math, why even race now that we know the outcome
03-30-2002, 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by my2sense
at least i contributed an opinion on the issue instead of spouting out constant streams of bullshit like you do, jerkoff
at least i contributed an opinion on the issue instead of spouting out constant streams of bullshit like you do, jerkoff
03-30-2002, 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by Nicky Pass
Manual transmissions don't always = faster cars!!!
Manual transmissions don't always = faster cars!!!
The manual should put more power to the wheels. And pull harder giving it an advantage. IMO.
03-30-2002, 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by TypeSKid
No there isn't.
Look at any Road & track or motor trend long term test, and compare the new 0-60 and 1/4 mile times against the 50K mile tests.
Its generally .2-.4MAX difference.
BTW, you don't know what speed is about. Get the headers, then we'll talk.
No there isn't.
Look at any Road & track or motor trend long term test, and compare the new 0-60 and 1/4 mile times against the 50K mile tests.
Its generally .2-.4MAX difference.
BTW, you don't know what speed is about. Get the headers, then we'll talk.
03-30-2002, 01:47 PM
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get mods first and talk:P
get mods first and talk:P
03-30-2002, 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Nicky Pass
Manual transmissions don't always = faster cars!!!
Manual transmissions don't always = faster cars!!!
Look at Car and Driver. Whether their times are inflated or to slow, the difference between the auto and manual is distinct. The magazine will take the best time for each drivetrain using a variety of techniques includeing slipping, dumping the clutch and brake torqueing.
03-30-2002, 02:28 PM
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MTs aren't always faster than their auto counterparts. Sometimes they change the gearing or the car is so powerful that its VERY difficult to manually shift prefectly. But given the same engine, gear ratios, etc. the MT will be faster. And in the case of the CL-S, the MT should definitely be faster since its 60 lbs lighter and geared very aggressively compared to the AT.
03-30-2002, 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by mdaniel
MTs aren't always faster than their auto counterparts. Sometimes they change the gearing or the car is so powerful that its VERY difficult to manually shift prefectly. But given the same engine, gear ratios, etc. the MT will be faster. And in the case of the CL-S, the MT should definitely be faster since its 60 lbs lighter and geared very aggressively compared to the AT.
MTs aren't always faster than their auto counterparts. Sometimes they change the gearing or the car is so powerful that its VERY difficult to manually shift prefectly. But given the same engine, gear ratios, etc. the MT will be faster. And in the case of the CL-S, the MT should definitely be faster since its 60 lbs lighter and geared very aggressively compared to the AT.
03-30-2002, 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by Zapata
Baehaeh on what planet??????? If both cars have the same setup and one is manual an one is auto, the manual should win. Of course if you have a crappy driver than the auto will win but you're statement is completely wrong.
Look at Car and Driver. Whether their times are inflated or to slow, the difference between the auto and manual is distinct. The magazine will take the best time for each drivetrain using a variety of techniques includeing slipping, dumping the clutch and brake torqueing.
Baehaeh on what planet??????? If both cars have the same setup and one is manual an one is auto, the manual should win. Of course if you have a crappy driver than the auto will win but you're statement is completely wrong.
Look at Car and Driver. Whether their times are inflated or to slow, the difference between the auto and manual is distinct. The magazine will take the best time for each drivetrain using a variety of techniques includeing slipping, dumping the clutch and brake torqueing.
03-30-2002, 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by Red Rider
Very few 6mt drivers are gonna equal the times of Car And Drivers professional writers times. By the way, many cars particularly turbo charged cars are quicker with the auto due to loss of boost.
Very few 6mt drivers are gonna equal the times of Car And Drivers professional writers times. By the way, many cars particularly turbo charged cars are quicker with the auto due to loss of boost.
The car doesn't need to be driven perfectly. It's straight line acceleration. Only tricky part will be the launch but the HLSD will help with that. Once the car gets moving then it's just moving the clutch in and out and getting the car into the right gear. Now, if the diver is completely babying the car and waiting loads of time between the time he pushes the clutch in, changes gears and lets the clutch out again then you will see the 5EAT win.