300HP/260ft/lbs for $2500 plus install
07-19-2002, 05:39 PM
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TALK TO TIM, WE SELL THROUGH HIM!!!
TALK TO TIM, WE SELL THROUGH HIM!!!
07-19-2002, 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by ItalianStallion
dammit man, some one needs to be the guinea pig and buy this, im VERY VERY interested BUT i want to hear atleast 1 owner review.
dammit man, some one needs to be the guinea pig and buy this, im VERY VERY interested BUT i want to hear atleast 1 owner review.
most likely it will be astro
07-19-2002, 06:46 PM
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most likely it will be astro
most likely it will be astro
07-19-2002, 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by ItalianStallion
who is this tim and how can i contact him?
who is this tim and how can i contact him?
07-19-2002, 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
I do agree with the concept of this upgrade and it is certainly something I am considering. It is very compelling and one that allows you a complete sleeper!!!
But I do want to comment on the use of the Eaton Gen IV blower. Having hand ported an M90 blower before, installed an S-Ported unit, swapped countless pulleys on them and have worked on test systems at the manufacturing plant in Athens, GA. I do feel I know something about them.
Boost is realized immediately in these designed blowers particularly with the integral bypass valve. This allows for essentially displacement on demand. As soon as the throttle is opened boost is realized as quickly as the standard throttle response. This also allows for basically the same boost throughout the rev band simply raising the torque curve just as the 3.5L upgrade would.
Scalbert, thanks for the info. I'm seriously considering the S/C.
But as mentioned, the 3.5L upgrade is silent and hidden adding an additional appeal to it.
I do agree with the concept of this upgrade and it is certainly something I am considering. It is very compelling and one that allows you a complete sleeper!!!
But I do want to comment on the use of the Eaton Gen IV blower. Having hand ported an M90 blower before, installed an S-Ported unit, swapped countless pulleys on them and have worked on test systems at the manufacturing plant in Athens, GA. I do feel I know something about them.
Boost is realized immediately in these designed blowers particularly with the integral bypass valve. This allows for essentially displacement on demand. As soon as the throttle is opened boost is realized as quickly as the standard throttle response. This also allows for basically the same boost throughout the rev band simply raising the torque curve just as the 3.5L upgrade would.
Scalbert, thanks for the info. I'm seriously considering the S/C.
But as mentioned, the 3.5L upgrade is silent and hidden adding an additional appeal to it.
07-19-2002, 11:45 PM
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Whats tim's email?
What kind of work will these rods & pistons gonna need to fit a 3.2 or 3.0 block? Whats the stroke and bore on them?
What kind of work will these rods & pistons gonna need to fit a 3.2 or 3.0 block? Whats the stroke and bore on them?
07-20-2002, 08:49 AM
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Tim is this sites host, owner of ACP.
The pistons and rods are not available seperately, it is a built short block ready for your heads, induction, exhaust, etc....
Motors are available within 5 business days of an order placed through Tim @ ACP. Estimate 150-200lbs and a 36"x36"x36" box with a departure point of Miami, FL to get freight quotes to your destination.
The pistons and rods are not available seperately, it is a built short block ready for your heads, induction, exhaust, etc....
Motors are available within 5 business days of an order placed through Tim @ ACP. Estimate 150-200lbs and a 36"x36"x36" box with a departure point of Miami, FL to get freight quotes to your destination.
07-20-2002, 10:15 AM
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robb m.
Originally posted by MDX-S
Tim is this sites host, owner of ACP.
Tim is this sites host, owner of ACP.
Actually no, Tim has no ties, financial or otherwise to this site, we're independant thanks.
07-20-2002, 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by MDX-S
TALK TO TIM, WE SELL THROUGH HIM!!!
TALK TO TIM, WE SELL THROUGH HIM!!!
The ordering would have been deferred to Tim though, but maybe in a nicer manner or did caps lock get stuck??
07-20-2002, 12:52 PM
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originally posted by MDX-S
The moral is, assess what you want, weigh it against what you can afford, and buy accordingly. We want to give you a bear bones torque monster that is FUN to drive at a good price. Comptechs S/C is a twin-screw or similar and boost will not be on hand at throttle tip-in. In the racing world, we say there's no mistakin displacement! "IF" the S/C produces more peak HP on your cars it will have to chase down the 3.5 at the top end and I doubt that will be before the 80MPH range.
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The moral is, assess what you want, weigh it against what you can afford, and buy accordingly. We want to give you a bear bones torque monster that is FUN to drive at a good price. Comptechs S/C is a twin-screw or similar and boost will not be on hand at throttle tip-in. In the racing world, we say there's no mistakin displacement! "IF" the S/C produces more peak HP on your cars it will have to chase down the 3.5 at the top end and I doubt that will be before the 80MPH range.
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this really isn't something we can prove just yet. but even if the 3.5 takes a slight edge off the line after 60' or so it would be bye bye
this, of course, is my opinion, and we all know how humble that is. :o
07-20-2002, 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by ItalianStallion
i dunno, someone convince me to get this instead of a set o chromies.
i dunno, someone convince me to get this instead of a set o chromies.
07-20-2002, 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by ItalianStallion
i dunno, someone convince me to get this instead of a set o chromies.
i dunno, someone convince me to get this instead of a set o chromies.
07-20-2002, 10:27 PM
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now see, my main damie, im apprehensive b/c...
well basically, would it be worth it, i dont really "race" just kinda toy around w/ people. so i dont want $2500 spent on 40 more hp and tq unless it is noticbly more fun. ya know? the negative there in rims is ride, tire wear, and the possibility of bending them. so there are positives and negatives for both.
im leaning more towards the 3.5 b/c 300 hp just seems too cool.
well basically, would it be worth it, i dont really "race" just kinda toy around w/ people. so i dont want $2500 spent on 40 more hp and tq unless it is noticbly more fun. ya know? the negative there in rims is ride, tire wear, and the possibility of bending them. so there are positives and negatives for both.
im leaning more towards the 3.5 b/c 300 hp just seems too cool.
07-20-2002, 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by ItalianStallion
now see, my main damie, im apprehensive b/c...
well basically, would it be worth it, i dont really "race" just kinda toy around w/ people. so i dont want $2500 spent on 40 more hp and tq unless it is noticbly more fun. ya know? the negative there in rims is ride, tire wear, and the possibility of bending them. so there are positives and negatives for both.
im leaning more towards the 3.5 b/c 300 hp just seems too cool.
now see, my main damie, im apprehensive b/c...
well basically, would it be worth it, i dont really "race" just kinda toy around w/ people. so i dont want $2500 spent on 40 more hp and tq unless it is noticbly more fun. ya know? the negative there in rims is ride, tire wear, and the possibility of bending them. so there are positives and negatives for both.
im leaning more towards the 3.5 b/c 300 hp just seems too cool.
07-21-2002, 04:06 AM
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what i don't get is...
why can't we just drop in an MDX long block and be done with it? all these internals and such are bound to cost more than the HP is worth. this way, with the stock MDX,we'd still have a low enough compression to slap on an SC, MM? or even - dare i say it - regular gas. freaking 10.85:1 is pretty damn high and gonna be a lil pingy as a daily driver no? with a salvage MDX i figure you could always bore it over for more hutspa and there would be absolutely ZERO concerns regarding emissions.
07-21-2002, 05:41 AM
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This is very interesting and sounds like a good deal. If you start with more displacement, anything you modify or upgrade will make a significant difference over the 3.2!
I am strongly considering this because my car is stock except for the suspension mods, and 3.5L would be a much better place to start. MORE INFO PLEASE!!!
I am strongly considering this because my car is stock except for the suspension mods, and 3.5L would be a much better place to start. MORE INFO PLEASE!!!
07-23-2002, 07:11 AM
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Anybody?
Name?e-mail?phone#?anything?
Anybody?
Name?e-mail?phone#?anything?
SEE http://www.autocarparts.com/contacts.php3
07-23-2002, 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by MDX-S
If you read the post carefully, the kit does not include headers or CAI. The HP/TQ figures assume these basic add-ons.
These power measurements are "crank based" with Dyno readings in the 235-240 range, or about 10 less than the 3.5L Gen I motors produced. This package is designed around bang for the buck and is more torque oriented than peak power, and your 3800+ Lb sleds need the torque much more than the peak
H-power! Torque will show about 205-210 lb/ft (dyno) from 3000-5500 RPM...
If you read the post carefully, the kit does not include headers or CAI. The HP/TQ figures assume these basic add-ons.
These power measurements are "crank based" with Dyno readings in the 235-240 range, or about 10 less than the 3.5L Gen I motors produced. This package is designed around bang for the buck and is more torque oriented than peak power, and your 3800+ Lb sleds need the torque much more than the peak
H-power! Torque will show about 205-210 lb/ft (dyno) from 3000-5500 RPM...
07-23-2002, 05:55 PM
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Pull a Dyno by searching 3.5L Dyno and you will see that it is unwise to compare a torque peak variance vs. a torque curve variance. There are points in the curve where the torque differential is quite significant, especially at lower RPM.
This isn't a bang for the buck upgrade, this is for the souls who have to be faster than everyone else, but don't want NOS bottles to deal with. This is reliable power that is civil, driveable, and usable.
To judge headers in a zero to 60 match would not due the $1400 justice, but to judge them in the quarter mile might. The 3.5L cars run 14 flats in hot weather at over 101MPH, even the NOS cars have a hard time beating the MPH these cars generate. Time slips are posted to this fact, once again, search 3.5L...
This isn't a bang for the buck upgrade, this is for the souls who have to be faster than everyone else, but don't want NOS bottles to deal with. This is reliable power that is civil, driveable, and usable.
To judge headers in a zero to 60 match would not due the $1400 justice, but to judge them in the quarter mile might. The 3.5L cars run 14 flats in hot weather at over 101MPH, even the NOS cars have a hard time beating the MPH these cars generate. Time slips are posted to this fact, once again, search 3.5L...
07-23-2002, 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by MDX-S
Pull a Dyno by searching 3.5L Dyno and you will see that it is unwise to compare a torque peak variance vs. a torque curve variance. There are points in the curve where the torque differential is quite significant, especially at lower RPM.
This isn't a bang for the buck upgrade, this is for the souls who have to be faster than everyone else, but don't want NOS bottles to deal with. This is reliable power that is civil, driveable, and usable.
To judge headers in a zero to 60 match would not due the $1400 justice, but to judge them in the quarter mile might. The 3.5L cars run 14 flats in hot weather at over 101MPH, even the NOS cars have a hard time beating the MPH these cars generate. Time slips are posted to this fact, once again, search 3.5L...
Pull a Dyno by searching 3.5L Dyno and you will see that it is unwise to compare a torque peak variance vs. a torque curve variance. There are points in the curve where the torque differential is quite significant, especially at lower RPM.
This isn't a bang for the buck upgrade, this is for the souls who have to be faster than everyone else, but don't want NOS bottles to deal with. This is reliable power that is civil, driveable, and usable.
To judge headers in a zero to 60 match would not due the $1400 justice, but to judge them in the quarter mile might. The 3.5L cars run 14 flats in hot weather at over 101MPH, even the NOS cars have a hard time beating the MPH these cars generate. Time slips are posted to this fact, once again, search 3.5L...
07-24-2002, 03:43 AM
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Originally posted by Red Rider
Good response, makes me want, but no CARB...........
Good response, makes me want, but no CARB...........
which brings me to my previous question yet again....
why can't we just drop in a late model MDX or RL engine which is already CARB?
08-14-2002, 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by MDX-S
Time slips are posted to this fact, once again, search 3.5L...
Time slips are posted to this fact, once again, search 3.5L...
08-14-2002, 10:37 PM
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yeah, thats pretty good..
08-15-2002, 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by typeR
yes headers,but stock rubber if i remember
yes headers,but stock rubber if i remember
And remember this block WON'T be putting out those type of
numbers without extra mods. Correct me if I'm wrong but that
car that ran the track had port polish heads, intake manifold, cai,
headers and res.
This isn't a miracle bolt on, it's a solid starting point for a real built
engine.
My question is... how much for a turn key? 3.5 block with port
matched heads and manifold. With or without core.
08-15-2002, 07:01 AM
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The RL uses the "C" engine family, a 90 degree V displacing ~3.5L which shares its basic archetecture with the 3.2L Legends and the NSX, except for the NSX's DOHC VTEC heads, Pistons, Rods, Crank, etc...
The MDX is a "J" motor just like the AV6, 99+Odyssey, CL, CL-S, TL, TL-S. These motors are 60 degree SOHC VTEC (intake only) engines varying from 3.0-3.5L.
The MDX is a "J" motor just like the AV6, 99+Odyssey, CL, CL-S, TL, TL-S. These motors are 60 degree SOHC VTEC (intake only) engines varying from 3.0-3.5L.