syncivic

The time slips will be forwarded to R ADAMS for posting by this evening on this thread.

The 3.5L L10 equipped CL-S doubled as a mosquito killer in its smoky burnouts and launches. The fact is, the cars may spin both wheels but it definitely favors one side (usually right on this car). With 60' times ranging from 2.19-2.85, traction was disasterous....The tires, Michelin Pilot Sports P235/40ZR18's on 18x8 RH C5000 Rims. These tires will not see future drag strip use, I assure you....

Scales w/driver: 3780 (syncivic) 3790 (JB)

Fuel 93 Amoco with 1/4 tank at start of runs

The temp...75F
The RH.....75%
The Baro...30.21-29.99 (falling as night went on)

pass 1.....15.94@95.51
pass 2.....14.47@100.95
pass 3.....14.19@100.90
pass 4.....14.30@100.76
pass 5.....14.325@100.07
pass 6.....14.18@101.23
pass 7.....14.224@101.52
pass 8.....14.208@97.98 *hit limiter on 2-3
pass 9.....14.268@101.19

Driver change at pass 5 from syncivic to John Brown...Both drivers noted car could not be powerbraked as the tires would be hit to hard and would result in numbers similar to pass 1. On this pass...The car spun all the way through first gear and barked second...sounded cool but not too fast.

This morning spent peeling rubber off car as Michelins gave up 4/32" in 9 passes with rubber back on the rear quarters.

Subjective analysis of L10 TC, it cannot drop the 1/4 mile times (w/street tires) by the claimed 0.5sec, however...we will be running an 8" slick on a Bogart wheel this Friday and we will see whats possible with traction tamed.

On the Dyno, the L10 will reduce HP by approximately 3-3.5% as RPM/MPH rises from 66:1 to 69:1 (see dyno vs. Mikes). We usually use this figure to monitor clutch slip when all else is constant.

Stay tuned for the slips for the nay sayers......

eclipse23

I was hoping to see a 13.9 but I'll wait for the drags.

Overall, sounds like a mean car and a good mod especially if you see 13.8@103mph now that to me would be worth the 3k if I was making a track car.

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01' Acura CL Type-S
Piaa 19169 Bulbs
Valentine1 Pig Detector
CompTech Exhaust
Xephyr Cold Air Intake
Founding Member of the NO SCRATCHED RIMS CLUB

01'Acura Integra GSR

Xephyr2K

syncivic:

Great times (except run 1 lol) I have some serious traction problem at the track running through 1st gear also. Incidently, you should be able to break 13.9's with a good set of slicks... Your 60' foot times should drop significantly and given the trap speed in lieu of your 60' times I see 13.9's easily in your future with good tires... even better times if you run on a cooler and less humid night !! Great job none the less !


Chris
Xephyr Performance, LLC.


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2001 Nighthawk Black CLS Type S - Xephyr Performance CAI, PIAA 19173(Yellow) Road Lamp Upgrades, Full Wood Trim, Spoiler, 1/4 Mile in 14.424@97.23 MPH Atco Raceway Best GTECH Sprint 5.55with Poobah watching Xephyr Performance Intakes

CLTypeR

So ur they guys w/ the Castrol black and silver civic? John Brown is ur driver or owner right?

I saw your first 10 second run last year at englishtown. Cool.

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1997 Acura 2.2 CL (5spd)
rubber tires, windshield wipers, headlights, horn, steering wheel, BRAKE PEDAL, clutch, brake pads, driver seat, passenger seat, back seat, front windshield, rear windshield (with defroster), lumbar support, cruise control, intermitent wiper control, sun roof (tinted), engine, pistons (only 4), emergency brake handle, trunk w/ tools, spare tire

CLpower

sweet runs, can't wait to see you do it on drag radials

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my mom and bestfriend have told me to tell you guys to stop telling me to spend my money; they are tired of my automobiles getting pampered and them getting whats left over which usually consists of change I find in my car by doing things you guys encourage

typeR

no 13.5...but what was that you said???"taction problems?" what? "trouble hooking up?"lol

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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

NOVAwhiteTypeS

1 question, How come you aren't using a v-afc w/ the 3.5? the v-afc gave alot of improvement for AC, and BeatYaAll.

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CL-S
White/Ebony/Navi/Spoiler/Visor/Full Bra/Mud Guards/Acura Car Cover/Tint 20%,35%,5% on Sun Roof, Rockford 250a2 Amp w/JL10w6 / K&N Drop in Filter.Polarg m-6.
Comptech Headers,Springs,Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.Polarg m6


gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.

CLpower

they most likely already have a custom ecu w/ the ratios they want already put in to the vafc is worthless

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my mom and bestfriend have told me to tell you guys to stop telling me to spend my money; they are tired of my automobiles getting pampered and them getting whats left over which usually consists of change I find in my car by doing things you guys encourage

MCHM3

doug did u have the traction control on or off?

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2001 3.5 cl type s,custom voltage blue paint job, comptech headers, 18 inch ssr agle strusse rims(painted voltage blue with chrome lip), greddy evo exhaust, cross drilled rotors, pioneer avx 7000 tv, playstation2, iceman cold air intake(custom)nos fuel pressure regulator, piaa ion yellow fog lights, slammed on nex suspension (level ten torque converter, dommed topped pistons, mdx crankshaft, rods , bearings, heads ported and polished, vtec timing

my old car www.hondatech.org/99acv6ic.html
my cl http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...064&Sequence=0

Xephyr2K

I thought you guys disabled/removed the VSA altogether... It was engaging like crazy any time you get on the gas gas at a standstill...

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2001 Nighthawk Black CLS Type S - Xephyr Performance CAI, PIAA 19173(Yellow) Road Lamp Upgrades, Full Wood Trim, Spoiler, 1/4 Mile in 14.424@97.23 MPH Atco Raceway Best GTECH Sprint 5.55with Poobah watching Xephyr Performance Intakes

WebToker

Can we get a list and cost of what this car has in it?


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Mustang Killa

MCHM3

no the vsa is not removed

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2001 3.5 cl type s,custom voltage blue paint job, comptech headers, 18 inch ssr agle strusse rims(painted voltage blue with chrome lip), greddy evo exhaust, cross drilled rotors, pioneer avx 7000 tv, playstation2, iceman cold air intake(custom)nos fuel pressure regulator, piaa ion yellow fog lights, slammed on nex suspension (level ten torque converter, dommed topped pistons, mdx crankshaft, rods , bearings, heads ported and polished, vtec timing

my old car www.hondatech.org/99acv6ic.html
my cl http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?...064&Sequence=0

Mike

Some good runs in there. Can you post the 60ft times as well?

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2001 Satin Silver Cl Type S.
Comptech:Headers, Springs & Sways
AEM CAI
Toyo T1S Proxys 235/45/17
SSR Competition wheels 17x8
35% Llumar metallic tint
My Car

Dyno_CL-S

are the runs open to the public this weekend @ moroso or are they closed?? could i go down when you run to check out the ride??

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Current ride: 91 Dodge Colt.... no p/w, no p/l, no AC

Preiovus ride: 2001 CL-S, Black, dropped 2 inches, stock

F=ma_RENAMED

That car would tear UP a CL-S with even i/h/e from a roll. If traction is this car's only issue, its still not a big deal. The thing will be a monster highway racer anyways.

Compare 5-60 times with a stock CLS and i/h/e CLS.

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Kenny
Slow TL

moomaster_99

Not knocking the stroking of the motor, but for the costs...it still doesn't seem worth it. If you can't put the power to the ground....it's useless.

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2001 Cl-S Black on Black with Navigation
Black Tint all around (15%~45%)
Weapon-R Dragon Filter
Weapon-R Coil-Overs
Koni Adjustable Struts
Comptech Sway Bars
Comptech Headers (hehehe...I got something for you drchang!!)

F=ma_RENAMED

Then again how many races of yours are stoplight encounters?

And I think that 95% of the cars in the 11's (not to say that the CL is shooting for 11's, but not very many draggers are FWD either you must understand) are running on slicks and drag radials on 16" wheels. He had 18" street tires. Not only was he on 18"s that are bad for traction, he had street tires on!

I've seen slicks drop car's quarter mile times upwards of a whole second. And with this car's problems with hooking up, you can be damn sure that its breakin into 13's with better traction.

I think you guys are way too hard on this guy.

Give the man a freakin break. He comes on here, offers you a 3.5 Liter upgrade and the service of installation and you go calling BS here and there.

Sometimes you all seem so ungrateful.

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Kenny
Slow TL

moomaster_99

All I'm saying is that for his 3.5 liter upgrade to be really marketable, he's gonna have to show slips in the low to mid 13s with some street slicks on top of repeated runs and abuse to show reliablity (I know the tires are shit, but most people aren't going out to buy new rims just to mount some Mickeys on them, right!?!)
Remember...most of that hp is derived from the headers. The torque is a different story, but as a lot of people have mentioned...torque, not hp breaks trannys.

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2001 Cl-S Black on Black with Navigation
Black Tint all around (15%~45%)
Weapon-R Dragon Filter
Weapon-R Coil-Overs
Koni Adjustable Struts
Comptech Sway Bars
Comptech Headers (hehehe...I got something for you drchang!!)

WebToker

Friend of mine is running a 10.9 1/4 mile all engine in his Civic hatch back with full interior and its his daily driver. I am going to have him start looking into what he can do with my car.


http://www.houston-imports.com/10sec.html

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Mustang Killa

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Black CL-S 4-Life

That is one bad ass Civic!

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Drive Fast Live Fast!

syncivic

Be carefull Web Toker, the only all motor cars to run in the 10's were 1800LB very serious race cars....all motor does not include NOS. It is impossible (at least to this date) for a full interior daily driver to achieve these numbers. I believe one all motor NOS car has run a 10.3? And Skunk has posted a 10.9...and a CRX with an AEBS engine broke that barrier...a stripped out purpose built racecar.

moomaster_99

All motor cars CANNOT be driven daily. Most daily driven cars have turbo or nos...because they can crank down the boost when they aren't racing. An all-motor car running even 12s is a headache (I mean that in terms of noise) and usually the lumpy cams make street driving a chore, not to mention the first cop that sees you put that thing on the road is impounding it.

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2001 Cl-S Black on Black with Navigation
Black Tint all around (15%~45%)
Weapon-R Dragon Filter
Weapon-R Coil-Overs
Koni Adjustable Struts
Comptech Sway Bars
Comptech Headers (hehehe...I got something for you drchang!!)

WebToker

He is not running NOS. I have seen the car and many other people have too. He is well know here in Houston.


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Mustang Killa

WebToker

Hey man I can't help if the guy can make a Honda go fast and still make a daily driver. Guess I will have to video tape it for you. He is now wroking on getting it under 10 sec.


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Mustang Killa

WebToker

He is running a turbo so i was wrong about all motor.

http://www.houston-imports.com/jason.html

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Mustang Killa

scalbert

If posted a couple of times and since this thread is being read:

Syn: How if the additional fueling being handled with the 3.5L upgrade??

Are you just letting the PCM 'trim' in the additional fuel. Are proportionally larger injectors being run, etc??

Thanks..

moomaster_99

....told ya....its cool Toker...I go to the races all the time...if you heard an all-motor you would know too...

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2001 Cl-S Black on Black with Navigation
Black Tint all around (15%~45%)
Weapon-R Dragon Filter
Weapon-R Coil-Overs
Koni Adjustable Struts
Comptech Sway Bars
Comptech Headers (hehehe...I got something for you drchang!!)

WebToker

But still that is not just his turbo. I would go out and buy a hatch right now if I knew I could drop in a turbo and be running 10 sec 1/4 miles right out of the box.


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CLTypeR

Turbo... sounds more like it... i didn't scroll far enough :P I think there is a shop around (well in Va) here that has a turbo civic running 10's and a n/a integra that runs 11's w/a h22 w/ a 23 head on it. Also Sean Glazer's shop is 15 minutes away from my house.

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10.9 as a daily driver???? .... people would have already known him by now. Plus 10 second turbo civic Vinny Tran is in the area.

A former friend of mine used to run 12.7 in a his all motor Integra R weighing 2600 lbs. Only thing he does differently from race trim to daily driver trim is put the exhaust back on ... radial tires ... and sets the cam gears back. Oh... he takes his spoiler off.

The fastest n/a civic out there is a CRX and it has a h22 motor I believe... and the other one is the skunk 2 car. If you said 11.9 it'd be believable... but 10.9... sounds wrong to me.

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1997 Acura 2.2 CL (5spd)
rubber tires, windshield wipers, headlights, horn, steering wheel, BRAKE PEDAL, clutch, brake pads, driver seat, passenger seat, back seat, front windshield, rear windshield (with defroster), lumbar support, cruise control, intermitent wiper control, sun roof (tinted), engine, pistons (only 4), emergency brake handle, trunk w/ tools, spare tire

[This message has been edited by CLTypeR (edited 05-03-2001).]

moomaster_99

He needs an upgraded clutch...and flywheel. He is probably running on a Prelude or Integ motor with lower compression pistons...I hope he has a rebuilt bottom end..rods and stuff. Running a custom T3/T4 garret with a front mount full width of body intercooler...carbon fiber hood, stripped interior(for the races). That'll put you close to the 10s....oh yeah, LSD w/ tranny work...BIG ASS SLICKS....BOGARTS IN THE REAR....probably a few other goodies too!! I'm not saying its not believable....but it'll be alot of money.

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2001 Cl-S Black on Black with Navigation
Black Tint all around (15%~45%)
Weapon-R Dragon Filter
Weapon-R Coil-Overs
Koni Adjustable Struts
Comptech Sway Bars
Comptech Headers (hehehe...I got something for you drchang!!)

WebToker

Oh well, I know him and so do the people here in Houston. Shit even his mom has driven the car. Maybe these people that you say should already know him should look him up.


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Mustang Killa

WebToker

True I agree with you can thats why my ass hasn't gone out and bought one as second car. I will have him try to make it out to the next meet so we can get him on video. I may just go out to the track with him.



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Mustang Killa

WebToker

By the way the motor he has in it is a GS-R b18c1.



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Mustang Killa

moomaster_99

Figured as much....an integ gs-r with a drag turbo can run high 12s ( give or take a few tenths ...more like take, but anyway)...put it on a 700-800 lb diet and you get a stripped HB....that'll start dropping some time...11 secs...rebuild the motor for forced induction....and you'll be getting there...the problem is not power to weight on these cars, but traction.

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2001 Cl-S Black on Black with Navigation
Black Tint all around (15%~45%)
Weapon-R Dragon Filter
Weapon-R Coil-Overs
Koni Adjustable Struts
Comptech Sway Bars
Comptech Headers (hehehe...I got something for you drchang!!)

typeR

hey doug i think its time to look into an LSD getting that power spread to both wheels would probablly help alot

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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

WebToker

I noticed autocarparts.com has one on there site for our cars. I wonder if and how much it would cost to have it installed.



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Mustang Killa

syncivic

The 3.5L conversion uses a VAFC to manipulate the fuel curve to meet the demands of the new motors appetite....I invite this "stock" 3.2L -S to come to Moroso and beat us all with just his VAFC as I think most of us on the board don't believe this is possible...No sneaky NOS systems either.

RAdams

As promised... here's the link to the scanned timeslips:

http://ron.b16a.com/3.5L_timeslips
(It's car number 6697)

Since there is no temperature reading, I'll add that I was there, running my TL, and during the last run the outside temperature display read 73 degrees.

I'll be back at the track Friday, along with Doug and John and the 3.5L CL-S and I invite anyone to come out and witness it in action. The track opens at 6pm (weather permitting). If you want to call Moroso ahead of time to check the weather and make sure they'll be doing runs... the number is 561-622-1400.

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2000 WDP 3.2TL non-NAV
AEM CAI

[This message has been edited by RAdams (edited 05-03-2001).]

Dyno_CL-S

date/time???

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Current ride: 91 Dodge Colt.... no p/w, no p/l, no AC

Preiovus ride: 2001 CL-S, Black, dropped 2 inches, stock

syncivic

VSA is disabled (by the dash switch) as its toooo aggressive in its closing down the sub throttle, choking power delivery.

An LSD will be released next month based on our phantom grip LSD line but the expense to install this inexpensive part ($399) will be prohibitive to most...