Maximized

How far is it to the nearest 1/4 track??? Take your car there and you will finally get some numbers of what your car really runs, instead of educated guessing.

Mike

Congrats on the 3.5 Steve. Go rip it up!!!

typeR

100 miles...i goto the 1/8th a bunch 30-45 minutes ...i will goto the 1/4 once it cools down, but it really isnt hard to guess, look at other cl-S'.. and well MIKE for example 14.3 look at his 1/8th 9.3** well a 9.0 has to be a 13.*** ... but the time slips will be fourth coming

Juker008

LAMO So true So true

3.5 block = >$2K

Rental of GEO Metro for 3 days = $5

Look on the faces of 4.6 Foney car drivers = FKin PRICELESS

Juker008

FDao

Juker008

WOA High 13s" WOW. I raced a Z28 last Weds. and he smoked my 15.0 down the 1/4. I got the slip and he recorded a 13.392. SHITTTT. So 315 is "JUST" with the 3.5 block........no headers??? Man imagine 315 + 32 to the wheels. Actually what would be the gain on the 3.5 conversion with the headers I would figure that 32 to the wheels might be streaching it with the CT headers, more like 25 I feel. But still I figure the 3.5 block conversion, pulleys, CAI, headers, exhaust. Shit just imagine the look on 5.0s and Z28s when a FWD car smokes em on the 1/4. Fuck I would image a LOOOOOOW 13 with all that. WOOOOHAHAHAAAA
And if we ever take on RX-8s have that thumb on the button to spray on his ass just in case.

I can just imagine it. The anouncer on the PA. "Here we have a CL Type-S staging on the left and on the right we have a Z28. WOHOA Look at that Z28 do that burn out. Oh hoa, we I think we know the out come of this one. And there they go. Wha...Whats this the CLS is pulling HARDDD, what, what the CLS WON!!

Fkin PRICELESS

Juker008

Juker008

Woa woa woa....I just did the math and with the weight that I think that I was at last time at the track of 3450 with no passenger seat and 1 gal. of gas. So with 3450lbs. and jsut the 3.5 conversion we would only do "14.36 @ 96.06mph". So for us to smoke Z28 we need at least 310hp to do
"13.26 @ 104.04mph"

Juker008

bullaculla

was that really a convertible CLs in your link? more pics please!

typeR

photoshop

AGPExTreMe

is your conversion done yet ????

tw1112

yeah pics of the install!

oonowindoo

crazzay.. hahaha good shit TypeR....

3.5 + header+intake+exhausts+Pulleyz+Comptech Supercharger(tell Doug to make some Modifications to the SC to fit 3.5)+slicks+Racing gas+100 Shots and + some 20 inch Type R badge. OMG....... u fuckers do the math.. HAHHAHAHAHA.. do we see a 11 sec CLS???? hahahhahahah

Juker008

11 Secs. Yea I agree......but the SC won't fit the 3.5 conversion why????


Juker008

AkuraCLS

pics!~ we want picsss

acuraboy_RENAMED

does the 3.5 require any type of mew fuel management strategy or does it come with one?

typeR

not sure ,but dont think so...its still not complete...pics wont do any justice sinece it'll just look the same as stock

Juker008

Just curious as why u would think so. No not flaming u. Fuel management strategy, whay a whole new way of introducing fuel to the engine? Is it because u think that more power would require more fuel, is that it?



Juker008

acuraboy_RENAMED

thanks for your effort in assuring that i didn't take your question as a flame. it was very appreciated considering the climate of some of the threads lately.

anyway, here's my reasoning: when i swapped in a 5.8 instead of my 5.0 in my bronk, it was so weak with the stock injectors (19#) and FMU. i then swapped in injectors from a Lightning (30# i believe) and the Lightning PCM and then i was lighting them up all over the place.

i realize that a 5.0 to 5.8 swap is much bigger jump in displacement that 3.2 to 3.5 but there's still a difference in displacement. was just wondering if the stock fuel system can support the increased displacement. i don't think more power neccessarily calls for more fuel. in the case of SC's some manufacturers actually call for less fuel if not retarded timing. but that's a whole other ball of wax.

by strategy i mean is there a sequential fire to bank fire conversion? do we keep the same firing order? do we need to retard or advance anything? do we need to get bigger fuel lines? bigger fuel injectors? different fuel regulator?
again i realize that we're only talking about .3L change here but i don't know much about these engines to assume one way or the other.

thanks,
mike

Juker008

Less fuel, but that totally goes against what I learned about boosting and running lean, i.e. detonation.
Plz explain more.

Plz explain more.


U know I thought of the same thing. After some point we are gonna need to upgrade our fuel delivery system, but at what hp point I don't know? If we do have to upgrade, we would have to go with Acura parts, right? The only solution that I can think of is to take NSX injectors and possibly the NSX ECU. But I would think that the NSX's ECU won't work do to the NSX being DOHC. So I would assume that a JET ECU upgrade would be in order. Fuel lines I would think would be easy, right? I mean all we would have to do is throw in a larger (inner diameter) fuel line, right? As for the regulator the AEM fuel pressure regualator that should do just fine for a high hp project, or does it have its limits? And as for the timing we would have to get our ECUs done to allow us to electronic-ly adjust our timing. So again a trip to JET with our ECUs is in order.

Here is a question that mabey u can answer for me:
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=79812



Juker008

CL SLeePeR

Does the 3.5 block bolt up to the stock 3.2 engine mounts? For the Tech. guru's here, do you think it would be worth getting both the 3.5L upgrade and the SC? Will the stock ecu be capable to deal with both upgrades?

Juker008

I don't believe teh 'stock' ECU will be able to do so. Hell I don't think the fuel management system would be able to do so. So if this is the case and the fuel management system then has to be upgraded, so will the ECU.

I believe JET can take care of that.


Juker008

Austin519

typeR:
Only problem bro is with the compression ratio you're running...there's no way in hell you can boost or nitrous that thing...that's what kept me from buying it this summer...so I'll be going another route hopefully...but congrats! This Christmas when I'm down there we'll have to race

Austin519

typeR

the S2000 is 11.0:1 and has been boosted to 114hp with after cooler...i dont think there would be much problem with boost upto 10 p.s.i.

typeR

yes and probablly..there' is someone doing this now...doug said to expect him on the board...

acuraboy_RENAMED

in an SC application ur stuffing more oxygen under pressure into a closed system relative to the naturally aspirated volume of oxygen. the combined factors of the combustion chamber having more oxygen AND being under pressure makes the environment that much more volatile = prone to detonation. some people have taken the approach of reducing the volume of fuel = sticking with stock fuel system with a SC to reduce the air fuel ratio. i think this approach, or any approach used to reducing detonation or other rich fuel conditions is really sensitive to the application.

as for what we'd actually have to change, that answer sorta ties into the link u included to ur other question (which i think the other folks addessed nicely). yes, FI engines typically run higher fuel pressures but u must also consdier the pulse width of the injector itself. in other words, how long is the injector open under the 40+ psi condition? there are many variables to manipulate more fuel into the chamber. you can increase the pressure so that in the same windo of time for which the injector is open, more fuel is pushed through. you can increase the window of time for which the injector is open so that even with stock pressure more fuel passes though. you can also increase the physical opening of the injector so that with the same pressure and the same pulse width but a bigger less-restrictive injector you can pass more fuel.

as was mentioned, carb'ed motors do run on vacuum. much of the engine is controlled by vacuum, including their timing. in this respect, those engines are so much more forgiving to power adders. there's a reason why it's so easy to pull mor ethat 1 horsepower per cubic inch of displacement from them. the tradeoff is that they are not the cleanest and most efficient of motors. those engines were also under-engineerded because the climate of the day was such that people did not want to buy a car whose motor was maxed out. muscle car purchasers weren't buying muscle so much as they were buying potential for it. yes there were the Yenko's of the era where u can go from showroom to racetrack and blow everyone away but those were very limited production #s and not the norm.

oh yeah...bank firing is when (in a v-block motor) the computer fires an entire bank of injectors at one time. this is pretty old and sloppy technology but it was cheap. the more recent and efficient strategy is called sequential fire - essential the injector is fired in sequence with the spark plug assuring that the fuel is still atomized appropriately.


hope this made some kinda sense

acuraboy_RENAMED

any word on what the ride is like with mismatched engine and dampener combo?