2nd chapter of the G35C battle
09-28-2003, 07:52 PM
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2nd chapter of the G35C battle
For those that remember my last battle out with a g coupe, the second should happen tonight.
This time thought, the setup will be different. The g has an injen intake and i have a UR crank installed. If the intake has helped him much (he says he didnt feel anything), i dont think i can take him. I felt my pulley but it was not that much of a difference. Any ways, it will be nice to see how the TLS goes up against the infiniti. Especially now that the G is modded too. Check my mods in the sig below.
(MODS: i know this shouldnt be posted here, but i know everyone is interested in our cars vs. the g's) so let this one roll for a bit!, thanks)
I will post results later tonight!!!
This time thought, the setup will be different. The g has an injen intake and i have a UR crank installed. If the intake has helped him much (he says he didnt feel anything), i dont think i can take him. I felt my pulley but it was not that much of a difference. Any ways, it will be nice to see how the TLS goes up against the infiniti. Especially now that the G is modded too. Check my mods in the sig below.
(MODS: i know this shouldnt be posted here, but i know everyone is interested in our cars vs. the g's) so let this one roll for a bit!, thanks)
I will post results later tonight!!!
09-28-2003, 11:11 PM
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RESULTS ARE IN:
First let me give some details:
G35C auto w/ injen VS. TL-S w/ i/h/cpulley
I beat him pretty much everytime!!!!
First two races, by end of 2nd (about
75), i am a full car ahead. Third gear ireally pull away. I mean ALOT. by end of third (110), he is 2 cars+ behind. I say plus because it was PROBABLY more, but i cant tell from where i am. All i know is third is where i usually would edge him out, and now its even stronger.
We made a total of 9 runs. 7 wins for TLS, 2 for the G coupe.
One of the race i lost because i launched like crap(got lazy) and i forgot to put in SS. He ran in SS most of the time, except for the first race.
We also did 20 mph rolls, i won by 2 cars each time by 80 mph.
Overall i am so happy and impressed. Still, i give the g coupe much props and it is very fast. Darrin thinks these G's are easy to beat, they are not. You really have to pay attention with our cars.
First let me give some details:
G35C auto w/ injen VS. TL-S w/ i/h/cpulley
I beat him pretty much everytime!!!!
First two races, by end of 2nd (about
75), i am a full car ahead. Third gear ireally pull away. I mean ALOT. by end of third (110), he is 2 cars+ behind. I say plus because it was PROBABLY more, but i cant tell from where i am. All i know is third is where i usually would edge him out, and now its even stronger.
We made a total of 9 runs. 7 wins for TLS, 2 for the G coupe.
One of the race i lost because i launched like crap(got lazy) and i forgot to put in SS. He ran in SS most of the time, except for the first race.
We also did 20 mph rolls, i won by 2 cars each time by 80 mph.
Overall i am so happy and impressed. Still, i give the g coupe much props and it is very fast. Darrin thinks these G's are easy to beat, they are not. You really have to pay attention with our cars.
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09-28-2003, 11:41 PM
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im game! i come down to encino area on weekends usually. pm me and we can set something up.
but wait, if you just have intake, do you mind me asking why? the coupe has 20 more hp to begin with. unless you are manual, then that would be interesting. btw, which intake?
but wait, if you just have intake, do you mind me asking why? the coupe has 20 more hp to begin with. unless you are manual, then that would be interesting. btw, which intake?
09-29-2003, 05:52 AM
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*scratches my head*..
honestly, I don't think there's much to be proud of. You're talking about a rather heavily modded TL-S (i/h/pullies) to a G35C w/ just intake. Well i know a kill is a kill, but if the G35 were to put in the same amount of mods as the TL-S, there's no question that the G35 would win.
honestly, I don't think there's much to be proud of. You're talking about a rather heavily modded TL-S (i/h/pullies) to a G35C w/ just intake. Well i know a kill is a kill, but if the G35 were to put in the same amount of mods as the TL-S, there's no question that the G35 would win.
09-29-2003, 05:59 AM
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*scratches my head*..
honestly, I don't think there's much to be proud of. You're talking about a rather heavily modded TL-S (i/h/pullies) to a G35C w/ just intake. Well i know a kill is a kill, but if the G35 were to put in the same amount of mods as the TL-S, there's no question that the G35 would win.
*scratches my head*..
honestly, I don't think there's much to be proud of. You're talking about a rather heavily modded TL-S (i/h/pullies) to a G35C w/ just intake. Well i know a kill is a kill, but if the G35 were to put in the same amount of mods as the TL-S, there's no question that the G35 would win.
I was thinking the same thing. The TL-S has all of the major bolt-ons and the G35c has just an intake... which, as we all know... doesn't add a significant amount of power. I would EXPECT the TL-S to win every time when they're lined up with mods like that....but... I guess a kill is a kill!!
09-29-2003, 06:40 AM
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Yeah but the G35c already comes with 20 more hp than the TLS. That almost cancels out the headers. I thought their intakes gave them more of a gain then ours not to mention the G is lighter. You can state a lot of differences but personally I think its an overall good match and would expect the cars to be similar.
09-29-2003, 07:04 AM
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Originally posted by power3dfx
im game! i come down to encino area on weekends usually. pm me and we can set something up.
but wait, if you just have intake, do you mind me asking why? the coupe has 20 more hp to begin with. unless you are manual, then that would be interesting. btw, which intake?
im game! i come down to encino area on weekends usually. pm me and we can set something up.
but wait, if you just have intake, do you mind me asking why? the coupe has 20 more hp to begin with. unless you are manual, then that would be interesting. btw, which intake?
09-29-2003, 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by ferizzo
Yeah but the G35c already comes with 20 more hp than the TLS. That almost cancels out the headers. I thought their intakes gave them more of a gain then ours not to mention the G is lighter. You can state a lot of differences but personally I think its an overall good match and would expect the cars to be similar.
Yeah but the G35c already comes with 20 more hp than the TLS. That almost cancels out the headers. I thought their intakes gave them more of a gain then ours not to mention the G is lighter. You can state a lot of differences but personally I think its an overall good match and would expect the cars to be similar.
09-29-2003, 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by Habiib
I dunno bout that one. From what I've heard, the headers on a TL-S/Cl-S gives 30WHP (Wouldn't that make out to be about 40-50 HP gain at the crank?). Add on the Intake and Pulley, and your past the G35C HP level for sure. Maybe I'm wrong though. By the way good kill.
I dunno bout that one. From what I've heard, the headers on a TL-S/Cl-S gives 30WHP (Wouldn't that make out to be about 40-50 HP gain at the crank?). Add on the Intake and Pulley, and your past the G35C HP level for sure. Maybe I'm wrong though. By the way good kill.
09-29-2003, 08:59 AM
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Nice runs Power3dfx. BTW, I've been meaning to ask you; did you ever work for 3DFX? I made a lot of money off them when they first went public. Too bad they lost the marketing battle with Nvidia. I was ready to buy a Voodoo5 6000 but it never went into production.
(Though, this doesn't bother me as much now that ATI is kicking Nvidia's hindpart).
(Though, this doesn't bother me as much now that ATI is kicking Nvidia's hindpart).
09-29-2003, 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by juniorbean
30hp at the wheels... multiplied by 23% drivetrain loss (some people say it's 20%, others say it's 25%, so we'll split it) would equal about a 6.9hp difference which would be about 37hp at the crank.
30hp at the wheels... multiplied by 23% drivetrain loss (some people say it's 20%, others say it's 25%, so we'll split it) would equal about a 6.9hp difference which would be about 37hp at the crank.
09-29-2003, 02:00 PM
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Yeah but the G35c already comes with 20 more hp than the TLS. That almost cancels out the headers. I thought their intakes gave them more of a gain then ours not to mention the G is lighter. You can state a lot of differences but personally I think its an overall good match and would expect the cars to be similar.
I have a similar result here with someone in my office complex. They, however, have a G35c that is manual with an upgraded air-filter of some sort. Exact same result except the G gets me off the line to about 50mph or so before I catch up and pass to 110mph by only 1 or 2 car lengths...Same overall result though. Stock for stock is still no match unless he's asleep at the wheel...
09-29-2003, 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by Habiib
Oh I see now...thanx...So with just headers it would be pushing about 296.9HP at the crank give or take a few HP. Thats damn good with only that one mod. What did they put a restrictive manifold/headers on those cars or something?
Oh I see now...thanx...So with just headers it would be pushing about 296.9HP at the crank give or take a few HP. Thats damn good with only that one mod. What did they put a restrictive manifold/headers on those cars or something?
Check mine in the sig below.
09-29-2003, 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by n00dleboy
*scratches my head*..
honestly, I don't think there's much to be proud of. You're talking about a rather heavily modded TL-S (i/h/pullies) to a G35C w/ just intake. Well i know a kill is a kill, but if the G35 were to put in the same amount of mods as the TL-S, there's no question that the G35 would win.
*scratches my head*..
honestly, I don't think there's much to be proud of. You're talking about a rather heavily modded TL-S (i/h/pullies) to a G35C w/ just intake. Well i know a kill is a kill, but if the G35 were to put in the same amount of mods as the TL-S, there's no question that the G35 would win.
I thought the way everyone always talks about G35C being so awsome that even a mildly moded TLS would take a minimally moded G35C . . . I mean the stats on that car with an intake should hang with at TLS that starting out over 1/2 sec or more slower . . .
I guess some people will just whine to whine. :P
Just like the guys who thought the SC430 would own me and I just have an intake . . . problem is most folks don't give the TypeS enough kudos and the others they bow to . . .
So here's to whipping up on one.
But I am jealous because I've not had the opportunity to race one yet.
Ruf
09-29-2003, 06:47 PM
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the tl-s has i/h/p. the g35 has intake, .3L more displacement, 20 more hp (stock), and rwd.
sounds pretty fair to me.
sounds pretty fair to me.
09-29-2003, 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by RUF87
I thought the way everyone always talks about G35C being so awsome that even a mildly moded TLS would take a minimally moded G35C . . . I mean the stats on that car with an intake should hang with at TLS that starting out over 1/2 sec or more slower . . .
I guess some people will just whine to whine. :P
Just like the guys who thought the SC430 would own me and I just have an intake . . . problem is most folks don't give the TypeS enough kudos and the others they bow to . . .
So here's to whipping up on one.
But I am jealous because I've not had the opportunity to race one yet.
Ruf
I thought the way everyone always talks about G35C being so awsome that even a mildly moded TLS would take a minimally moded G35C . . . I mean the stats on that car with an intake should hang with at TLS that starting out over 1/2 sec or more slower . . .
I guess some people will just whine to whine. :P
Just like the guys who thought the SC430 would own me and I just have an intake . . . problem is most folks don't give the TypeS enough kudos and the others they bow to . . .
So here's to whipping up on one.
But I am jealous because I've not had the opportunity to race one yet.
Ruf
Very well said.
09-29-2003, 06:51 PM
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Z350 dyno more than G35 by 10-15lbs all the way to 5500 rpms. After that it is almost equal. I noticed that in both cases A/F will become too rich.. The VQ35 may benefit from some headers
The Z350 is 200-250 lbs lighter than a G35.
The Z350 is 200-250 lbs lighter than a G35.
09-29-2003, 07:30 PM
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aq,
i never worked for 3dfx, just an enthusiast from back in the day and i never changed my email. interesting that you caught that, no one has ever noticed.
let me put it this way. before pulley, i only lost by 1/2 car. after pulley (and after his intake), i was able to PULL every time. The only time he can pull is if he really stresses the tranny at launch, i mean ALOT.
the reason we did the roll races was my choice really. i think at about 20 mph, the true test of power is shown. any higher than that and gear ratios play too much of a role.
a 2k2 maxima was also racing the gcoupe. i was right behind the g coupe the whole race. btw, the max was killed by about 4 cars length by the G. i would of raced the max too but i figured the g35 was showing me the result i would achieve.
i will not be able to race him ever again tho, he is putting 20's on the ride pretty soon, and pretty much making it a pimp ride instead.
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i never worked for 3dfx, just an enthusiast from back in the day and i never changed my email. interesting that you caught that, no one has ever noticed.
let me put it this way. before pulley, i only lost by 1/2 car. after pulley (and after his intake), i was able to PULL every time. The only time he can pull is if he really stresses the tranny at launch, i mean ALOT.
the reason we did the roll races was my choice really. i think at about 20 mph, the true test of power is shown. any higher than that and gear ratios play too much of a role.
a 2k2 maxima was also racing the gcoupe. i was right behind the g coupe the whole race. btw, the max was killed by about 4 cars length by the G. i would of raced the max too but i figured the g35 was showing me the result i would achieve.
i will not be able to race him ever again tho, he is putting 20's on the ride pretty soon, and pretty much making it a pimp ride instead.
allmotor,
i much rather have you watch then join in
09-29-2003, 11:31 PM
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Great kill on the G. With my 03 auto CLS with intake and exhaust I got smoked by a stock G auto last week on the freeway as I lost by 3 to 4 cars. BTW what do run 1/4 at the tracks
09-29-2003, 11:36 PM
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never been. my only limiting factor is launching the car, otherwise this tl just likes to move. so i guess i should achieve what most here have with these mods, somewhere between 14.2-14.4
what i am more interested in more is to see which is faster: my stock gs4 or modded TLS
what i am more interested in more is to see which is faster: my stock gs4 or modded TLS
09-30-2003, 04:23 AM
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Originally posted by power3dfx
aq,
i never worked for 3dfx, just an enthusiast from back in the day and i never changed my email. interesting that you caught that, no one has ever noticed.
aq,
i never worked for 3dfx, just an enthusiast from back in the day and i never changed my email. interesting that you caught that, no one has ever noticed.
let me put it this way. before pulley, i only lost by 1/2 car. after pulley (and after his intake), i was able to PULL every time. The only time he can pull is if he really stresses the tranny at launch, i mean ALOT. the reason we did the roll races was my choice really. i think at about 20 mph, the true test of power is shown. any higher than that and gear ratios play too much of a role.
Again, that's not to detract from a well-earned kill.
09-30-2003, 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by mattg
the tl-s has i/h/p. the g35 has intake, .3L more displacement, 20 more hp (stock), and rwd.
sounds pretty fair to me.
the tl-s has i/h/p. the g35 has intake, .3L more displacement, 20 more hp (stock), and rwd.
sounds pretty fair to me.
09-30-2003, 03:29 PM
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surprisingly,
from a launch, he cant pull on me usually. our 1st gear seems to be strong enough to keep up with the torque of the VQ. i thought he should pull on me because of torque, but it never happened.
btw, at 20, you are above 3k rpms, and it takes almost no time to get the car into vtec, so a rolling start really does show power difference
from a launch, he cant pull on me usually. our 1st gear seems to be strong enough to keep up with the torque of the VQ. i thought he should pull on me because of torque, but it never happened.
btw, at 20, you are above 3k rpms, and it takes almost no time to get the car into vtec, so a rolling start really does show power difference
09-30-2003, 06:27 PM
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VQ35s don't do as well at the top end, and certainly don't carry the power all the way to redline as well as Hondas or Bimmers.
VQ35s don't do as well at the top end, and certainly don't carry the power all the way to redline as well as Hondas or Bimmers.
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09-30-2003, 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by power3dfx
never been. my only limiting factor is launching the car, otherwise this tl just likes to move. so i guess i should achieve what most here have with these mods, somewhere between 14.2-14.4
what i am more interested in more is to see which is faster: my stock gs4 or modded TLS
never been. my only limiting factor is launching the car, otherwise this tl just likes to move. so i guess i should achieve what most here have with these mods, somewhere between 14.2-14.4
what i am more interested in more is to see which is faster: my stock gs4 or modded TLS