I have gotten two speeding tickets in two days. Both for 70 in a 55. I havent had a speeding ticket in years,I can't even remember the last one. The first one I deserved. The second one however is BULLSHIT!!! I passed a state trooper in the median and nothing. Five miles later he comes flying up behind me and flashes me. He says there is this ex or off duty officer paceing me in a black taures which I never see. I check my mirrors all the time. He said this guy radio's him and tells him I am doing 70 plus. I also pass anopther state boy who is driving on the other side of the highway and nothing. I mean I was well past the speed trap and had just passed the other state boy about a minute before. I didnt ask but I know the taures that I never saw that was pacing me doesnt have a radio as its not a cop car,radios the state trooper who doesnt have me on radar either and gives me a ticket miles after I have passed him? Any ideas? I mean this is a BULLSHIT ticket if I have ever gotten one. Plus he didnt have me sign it.

I know I'm fighting the second should I fight both? and how?

 

I feel your pain, but stfu. It happens, get over it. You have two choices, obey the speed limit at ALL times and never get another ticket or do what I and everyone else does, speed when you feel lucky. Please, just don't bitch when you get nailed.

 

You can easily fight the second one. The only way you can get ticketed from having someone pace you (i.e. without the use of the radar) is if it's the ticketing officer that does it. Otherwise, it's hear-say and inadmissable in court.

for fighting a speeding ticket

 

Dan how about you STFU I did deserve the first one. Can you still see all the words in your old age?? The second one I passed two officers and neither one of them pulled me over both were using radar. I was at least 10 miles past the same officer who then pulls me over and tells me his buddy has been pacing me in some black taurus which there was none. So I guess this guys pacing me from 2 miles back while both state troopers I pass dont pull me over. And after I,m 10 miles past he does and tells me his buddy was pacing me.
So He caught up to me after I was way passed him tell me there was a black taures pacing me I say no there was not he says yes there was I say where and he looks up and says,he just passed me. So two troopers dont pull me over until this guy who is pacing me like a cia agent apparently calls and tells them I,m speeding knows. He just guess how fast I must've been going and I get a ticket for. How about you lick my DAN

I am sure there are members who have fought tickets on this board who can give me HELPFUL advise. Like how far back do you have to be to pace. Shouldnt the car be in view?

 

Hey thanks. Thats the sitch, the officer didn't do the pacing

Didnt see that I was busy typing my response for dan- agian buddy

 

I must have touched a nerve! I saw the words. From my experience, unless you pay a lawyer, the judge listens to the officer and then listens to you and then tells you how much to pay. You might get lucky and the officer may not show up. (because he is out generating more revenue.)

 

No Dan it was already touched. I was/am still pissed about the ticket and do not like to be told to stfu and quit my bitching, even when i'm not pissed. When its warranted. Like I said I havent had a ticket in years. the first was deserved and would have been gone with Defensive driving school. Now that I have a second, that no longer happens. Both will have to be paid and applied. TWO SPEED TRAPS, me behind another vehicle with another vehicle behind me and I get a ticket from some car thats pacing me, by the trooper I passed 8-10 miles ago who has gunned at least three other cars behind me, who is still in front of the pace car that radiod/called in that I was doing over 70. Thats


In indiana I plead not guilty dateset,I can question the officer and "the guy" in the black taures or any other witnesses. I have already written down the details.

 

Yeah that second one sounds like BS to me. I dont think I wouldve been able to sign that second ticket. Seems like it would def be admissable in court w/ a hear-say speeding claim like that. Hell, I thought cops even have to have their radar guns calibrated each time they go out, or every week or something like that. My brother told me he got out of ticket in NJ by asking the officer, who pulled him over for speeding, to see his calibration records and apparently he didnt have it calibrated within the required time period. You would think with stipulations such as these a third party's claim would not be enough to warrant a ticket. I would def take this to court. Good luck man, w/ whatever you decide to do.

Maybe cops just like to pick on CL's...I got singled out of a pack of 5 other cars that were "barely" speeding about a month ago. No way to escape the $75 fine for me tho :shakehead

 

dan, your boyfriend dump you, stfu. You're the one that's bitching, this is a forum, people talk. If you have a problem don't read the post or ignore it. You winner.

 

simma down now..

 

Dan *shakes head sadly* its ok, people do that when they get old. Get a radar detector, it wont save you every time, but consider it, its worth the investment (depending on situation), it wont save u every time but it should help in some cases. I dunno about fighting in US, but as long as the cop doesn't show up at court here in canada, the judge usually dont give and listen to u (cops here are too drunk on donuts anyways =)

 

Time to start driving slower.

 

Fight both. IMOI it's worth it. I've had success here in Mass. If you have a good driving record, get a copy of it and bring it to the hearing. Half of it is just making the effort, and presenting yourself as good person. Sounds dumb, but I believe it.

 

So let me get this straight. You were speeding both times. You got caught both times (under different circumstances). You broke the law, you got caught. No use bitching about how it is bullshit because it really isn't. Sucks you got caught but just go to court and hope the judge isn't PMSing.

 

I work at a law firm and am going to law school we deal with this crap all the time. Just go to court on both tickets you have a fairly good chance that the cops wont show up and even if they do the worst thing that can happen is you delay paying your ticket for a good 3 or 4 months. They generally dont asses court costs in traffic offense cases.

Unfortunatley, as an officer of the court, a police officer's testimony is going to have precedence over most anything the average non attorney says in court. The only way to get out of speeding tickets is through technicallities.

As for the second ticket, you have a much better chance to have it dissmissed since the officer that pulled you over, as well as the officer that paced you, would have to show up in court. Both officers would have to testify to the events that led to the speeding ticket.

Keep in mind that police officer's reley on the fact that 99% of tickets issued do not end up in court. Cops have better things to do then wait 2 hours in a courtroom to have $160 speeding ticket ruled on by a judge.

Good luck.

 

See that's where you are wrong. At least here cops get paid a guaranteed 3 hours of pay for everyday they go to court, even if it is for one "failure to obey a traffic signal" or "illegal U-turn" ticket. I have a friend who is a cop and while he rarely ever writes speeding or traffic tickets, each time he does write a ticket or any type of citation it is guaranteed 3 hours of pay in his pocket.



EDIT: The rest of your advice was great though.

 

PSSHHH...Sounds like BS to me. Twenty bucks says the other guy in the Taurus wont show up. I'd be willing to bet it was some off-duty enforcement officer alright, but I bet he saw you and just radioed to the guy and told him you were speeding. Even if the guy was willing to show up, it would still be questionable as to how he measured you, especially since his car isnt intended for speed enforcement. The cop should know none of that will hold up in court, but then again, like the poster above said, they dont count on you showing up anyway.

 

First time yes flat out I was speeding. Second time NO. If I was it was maybe 60 5 over. But no 70 plus like this man in the taures said NO.

 

First time yes flat out I was speeding. Second time NO. If I was it was maybe 60 5 over. But no 70 plus like this man in the taures said NO. Read closer

 

Learn to use the Button

Double posting :sigh:

 

So the second time you were not speeding? Maybe? Reminds me of being a little bit pregnant. Hope you get your story stright before you go before a judge.

 

They are writing a ticket everytime I pass them. There were 3 on the way to work. The cop told me they would be out there thick until october.

Mrsteve, you both may be right but the fat is that while the officer is paid for sitting in court for 3 hours, he is not out earning revenue for the state. He would make more then the state would lose by sitting in a court room for a 1 measely ticket out of the 10- 15 he wrote that day.So there is a good chance the officer and the man in the taures wont show up.

 

The computer gliched ended up with 2 post. I Know how to use the edit feature Thanks

 

The point is I was not doing 70 plus and 5 over doesnt get you ticket In most citys ever.

I thought the post was clear enough. I dont have a spoon to feed you the information

 

Alrighty then. So let me get this straight.

1. You got popped once for breaking the law (exceeding the posted speed limit)
2. You got popped AGAIN for breaking the law (exceeding the posted speed limit)
3. You don't know how to spell Taurus. (Google is your friend. Use it.)
4. There is a reason for the law, which you broke twice, and are mad that others don't sympothize with you. I don't either. You deserved both. Pay the fine and slow down.

 

The point is, you say something stupid like this in front of a judge and he is not going to be happy. "Your honor I was going 5mph over the limit, but in most cities you don't get a ticket for 5mph over". Your right, I/we are having fun busting your balls, but also trying to help at the same time. Read what I put in quote and tell me that IS NOT what you will tell the judge. One thing I am 100% sure of if you are going to lie to a judge, be consistant in the lie and pray to god he does not catch you in it! Good luck.

 

fight the ticket... if you didnt sign it, then you didnt agree to go to court, therefore you might be able to get out of it... also if you fight it, and there was no radar, and the cop pulled you over when you weren't speeding you'll be let off, plus both the citing officer and that "off duty" cop would have to show up and odds are THEY WONT.. .so FIGHT IT MANG

 

You do however admit to going over 55 mph on both occurences, which is the LEGAL POSTED MAXIMUM SPEED LIMIT as you have said. Your statement of "and 5 over doesn't get you a ticket in most cities ever" will get you nowhere in court.

The minute you say you were over 55 (even 1 mile over) you are technically violating the posted maximum speed limit. Thus, you will be found guilty of the offense. Now, I am not sure about this (so check it out) but if you are found guilty of both offenses, I don't think you can take traffic school to clear either speeding ticket.

But good luck and if you do fight it in court, get your stories straight and hope the cops don't show up.

 

C'mon guys, nobody would be happy about getting tickets that close together, especially if you felt like you were getting a raw deal on one of them. If Frainky posted and said "Hey, I just got 2 tickets in 3 days both from radar guns", then I would probably have less sympathy, although that would still suck. It's one thing if someone's a leadfoot that doesnt have any regard for other drivers, in which case I say nail their a$$. But we all know that a lot of times posted speed limits arent realistic speeds anyway. If they were, the word "speedtrap" wouldnt exist. I consider myself an extremely safe driver (my wife even has nagged before that I drive too slow), but there are locations where I am exceeding the speed limit on a regular basis. But to have hearsay determine that I deserve a ticket is bogus.

On the same token, Frainky, I would be curious to know what motivated the guy to report you to the trooper. If you were driving at a reasonable speed, albeit above 55, there's no reason he would have to go to the trouble to report it unless he was provoked by something you did. Maybe you cut in front of him or someone else while in view of him earlier?

 

What is it about the CL-S?? I used to drive a Chevy 4 X 4 and didn't get a ticket in 10 years. The morning before I bought my '01 CL-S, I got a ticket for 75 in a 55. I hadn't even signed the paperwork yet. My car is probably pissed at me when I drive it 65-70. It BEGS to be driven fast!!!

 

There is more then on kind of speed law. Absolute and presumed. Not every speed sign is maximum. However Indiana is an absolute state but there are still sub sections. Statute IC 9-21-5-2 sec 2 part 3 seems to be on my side. Wow a police officer who bends the law that never happens ONCE AGAIN. The officer who ticketed me WASNT PACING ME. The taurUS is not a speed enforcement vehicle!!! I did not pass him. I did not taillgate. Any ford taurus. I dont drive like an asshole.. He had to speed up to catch me when he turned onto the highway as he wasnt behind me for the 30 mile trip I drive to and from work. I can name every car in the group with me. Plus the officer broke the law by CHASING A PRESUMED speeder without his lights on. A trooper here did that two years ago and tried to lie his way out of it but a witness saw him. Je went to prison and wasnt even chasing a presumed speeder as he said. Cops always obey the law . yea he didnt hit his lights until he got right behind me. Thats ILLEGAL. I watched him fly up on me from my rear view. I dont need to get my story straight because I wrote down all the details as soon as I got home. Location of vehicles around me,makes models,Ive got a lawyer already working on it and I'm 80 % sure I will know the outcome before the court date. Sorry I am not going to bend over and take it as most of you it seems would. :cop:
I will let you guys know the outcome.

Oh and the fact that I may have been going 5 over won't be how I try to beat it or offered up to the court.

 

EXACTLY

I never even saw the guy. I check my mirrors ALL THE TIME. The ticketing officer told me the guy WAS a state trooper for twenty years.

 

. I forgot an important part of that story. He killed a father of three on his way to work in that incident.

The courts now are stict here on that little rule that gets broken by officers all the time.

 

TICKET BEAT!!! Thanks

 

This site deals with CA law but some of his insights are usefull in any case:
http://www.ticketassassin.com/

 

In Illinois (as it probably is in all other states), there is a thing called the fellow officer rule. It basically means that if one officer (on duty or not) sees someone commit some kind of crime, he can call another officer, and that second officer can arrest (or ticket, or whatever) the violator based just upon what the other officer told the second one. For the pacing to be valid the officer that did the pacing would have to be a reasonable distance away from your vehicle for approx. 1/4 mile, while traveling at the same speed as you were. However, the officer, based on his previous experience can watch how your car acts as compared with vehicles that you are around. If the officer sees that your vehicle is rapidly pulling away from the others, and he can ascertain that those other vehicles are traveling at the speed limit, he can write you for speeding even if he was not pacing you. With that said, you might very well have a case if you go to court, and the officers can not prove how they ascertained your speed. Sorry for the long post, but I figured you might want a police officer's

 

Basically if you're trying to fight a moving violation ticket, it is best to do it by trial by declaration (which is basically through mail) rather than having to go to court. Because the cops who give you the ticket will more than likely show up to court and you will not win the case. The cops get paid $200 for coming to court (at least it is in CA) so they have an incentive to come to court. The trial by declaration allows you to write down your story of what happened and why you think you are not guilty. Since the courts get flooded with so much paperwork and the officer who gave you the citation will most likely not respond to it because they do not get paid and have to fill it out on their own time. So there is a much greater chance to fight it through trial by declaration. I got a moving violation a few months ago for crossing a double yellow line into a carpool lane (i had 3 other people in the car, so it was not a carpool violation) and i was fined $350, and I won the case and got my refund check yesterday.

And if you are wondering how to do the trial by declaration, when you get your citation information from the court, it should say somewhere on there how to do a trial by declaration. It will vary from state to state, but i am sure every state will allow trial by declaration. If it is not listed how to do it by trial of declaration, there should be a way, you just need to research it. The reason some won't list it is because traffic violations bring in lots of $$$ and the state or city obviously does whatever it can so it won't give you back the money.

Hope that helps. Just my

 

Thanks for the advice but I already beat the ticket that was BS, the one based on pacing. The officer's didnt even bother showing up for court. I talked to the prosecutor and told him the story and he dismissed the case instead of asking for a continuance. Some idiots on here advised to shut up and pay the ticket, fckem let them pay it

 

I'm glad this post came back up. It reminded me that I haven't heard back from the lawyer on my ticket. I'd better call his sorry ass!!