Scrib

I figured I'd start a new thread to bring the bad news.... It affects the '03 TL and MDX as well.

EdgarFanCLS

Thanks for hosting this Scrib!



Luckily my VIN# is clear. It looks like less than 1000 CL's are affected.

Scrib

Not a problem...

Is that the VIN for the CL, or the CL Type S??? I can't tell...

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

I closed the other topics about the recall and posted the link to here. Thanks for hosting this Scrib!! Good looking out

I also posted this over at atl.com and of course gave you credit for hosting it!

Scrib

No problemo...

I wonder how many people it will affect that are members here?

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

I gave credit too EdgarFanCLS and Water-S since they helped ya out with finding it

scalbert

Woohoo, all clear... Mine is 3A002878... Thanks for the info.

New Guy

Ill guess I'll take the first bullet here:
VIN #: 3A007778
Off to the dealer we go...

-Pete

Shawn S

Yea, I’m clear too.
It looks like they used up most of the BAD ones on the TL’s.

CL= 782
TL= 4,367

CCType-S

My VIN is clear. :o Thanx for the info Scrib.

ch1276

looks like i'm clear too 3a002

EricS

I thought you guys said our engines are interference type?

Unless they didn't feel like listing all the consequences of a broken timing belt in an interference engine?

BTW, I'm not affected either...

gsrblack

Oh crap, looks like I'm the next victim. Mine falls in that category! 3A0074xx.

That really sucks that I have to drive 30 miles away to get to the dealer...



Thanks for the info too!

JPH

I just bought mine last weekend. They said, "By the way, good news, your car isn't involve in the recall", just as I was heading out.

I checked the owner link web site
http://www.ahm-ownerlink.com/login.asp
It doesn't have this recall on there yet.

Slimey

Looks like I beat this one. My VIN is clear by almost 5000 cars.

Slimey

They don't say. They leave out the middle digits that tell whether it is a auto or manual tranny and type S or P with/without navi. My guess is that it affects both P's and Type S's.

freddiedi

Hey guys I just bought a New CL am I affected by the Recall...

also anyone done any modification ext and engine worth mentioning...

Same with tint gradients???

Fabvsix

That's just what I thought ! Here is my comment on the closed previous thread:

What is involved is alot of work ! I just had my timing belt changed and while they were there (open heart surgrey), they changed my water pump and thermostat on my Honda Accord Coupe EX "V-6". They told me I one of the first they had done. They also changed the "main" oil gasket between the engine and the tranny ! All this was tons of labor and a cost of $850.00 ! Had they NOT been pro-active with that gasket, it would have been another $850.00 to change that. These repairs are new to the Honda dealerships in most cases. My Honda is approaching 100,000 miles strong.

My CLS is doing fine at 53,000 miles !

Klamalama

Thanks for the info. Mine is prior to the serial number range of this recall.

EricS

Was the rear main leaking, or did they just change it for the hell of it? Weird that they changed it if for PM, since it's on the opposite side of the engine as the timing belt. That prolly added a couple hundred to the labor alone.

But yeah, if it wasn't changed and it started leaking next week, you woulda been SOL!

bullaculla

I'm clear by 6,000 cars! thanks for looking out tho.

Fabvsix

What really happened, is after the timing belt job, that included the water pump etc.....it started to leak motor oil a week or so later.....I called them up and they found that this gasket was bad and that this was rather new to them, since they haven't seen too many 1998 and up V-6's with 100,0 plus miles, so I RAISED hell and got them to do it at cost, because it should have been done when they had the FREAKING GUTTS out already two weeks ago ! That is what made me mad as hell, the fact they had to "crack" open the motor AGAIN ! ....................it's over now !

Fabvsix

BTW, I may add, its ONE CLEAN FUOOKEN 1998 Accord Coupe EX-V6 !




Serviced by the same dealership purchased at, over 4 years ago ! NO one has touched it mechanically but that dealership...........

threetwoseeL

freddiedi
A-CL Newbie

Registered: Aug 2002
Location: New York, New York
Posts: 4
my new CL
Hey guys I just bought a New CL am I affected by the Recall...

also anyone done any modification ext and engine worth mentioning...

Same with tint gradients???


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CL-Type S NAV
Nighthawk/Ebony
2003



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i have a CL typeS 6 speed..thank god it was made after that apparent fu*k-up . (phew) cause last week i got new comptechsport headers. i HIGHLY recommend this modification . its all i've done so far , except a new shift knob. next up i figure i'll tint and maybe get comptech springs or sways or the rest of the exhaust i dunno. i'm stoked on this car though.especially with the new headers. with the full exhaust i'm sure it'll be that much better. anywho. thats my 2 cents

frank

...Alright!!

darrinb

my cl is safe, my vin is like 7000 cars before the recall, i guess i'm close to the plant in ohio so the dealers over here get the first ones off the line. some shit like that, thats my theory

Kalin

I'm clear by a few hundred... AFAIK all the CL's are bunched into one VIN run, ie regular and Type S cars are part of the same sequence.

randomwalk101

Where do you guys find these service bulletin? Id like to find those pertains to my model year (2002 TL).

KavexTrax

Copies of these bulletins are distributed to dealers and other service personnel

You can find similar descriptions on the NHTSA's site
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/

gsrblack

Yeah, what the heck???

I was going to call and set the appt myself...I haven't received the papers through the mail yet, but I guess I'll hold off.

This recall sucks...makes me feel really nervous!

I guess as long as they do a good job, I won't care! So, even though my car is 1 month old, I still want them to change out the timing belt! I guess they're supposed to swap that out, the water pump, and some gasket, right?

Fabvsix

Major work ! I just hope your dealership is on the ball ! Think about it......this may be a first for most of them......Yucko.....makes me sick !

kensteele

Don't mean to get all uppity here but can everyone reading this try to learn something from this recall instead of just reading the bulletin, checking to see if you are clear, etc.

1.Honda DOES take part in the recall process. For those who think that they don't, witness one. Regardless of the SIZE of the problem....

2.Acura and Honda is always FULLY AWARE of when there is something wrong with their product. They don't attempt to hide their head in the sand and they don't try to cheat their customers (at least when it comes to a recall). Even if you, the customer, were not aware of this part problem, they will still notify you and fix you up instead of trying to overlook it or let is slide. They know all about the tranny, but it doesn't require a recall right now, else there would be one. Or maybe there was one and I don’t know it.

3.This recall is under the authority of the US Government. You'll never know if Sam forced Honda to do this or not or if it was voluntary. You are not entitled to know that just because you bought a car. All we know is it's there for you to take advantage of. You don't have to get it done. It is going to cost Honda some money to do this but I'm sure there are alternate ways they account for such cost when working the books. Perhaps this is a catastrophic loss or if it exceeds a certain dollar value or whatever. Point is Honda didn't ring up the costs on the cash register before they decided to play along with this game. It didn't matter. It got done regardless of the cost or time involved in the repair.

4.This recall is safety related. If you don't believe it, read the recall bulletin again. If it were not safety related, you wouldn't be reading it as a US Government Recall. Our Uncle doesn't care about shotty products or bad workmanship or products that don't function well, only if they break the laws does Sam care and the laws say "no safety problems", "no cheating the customer/fraud", "no misrepresentation", and the like. If your pump turns an ugly green colour after just 6 months, that’s been you and the person who sold you that pump.

5.So this recall is about a problem that can cause a crash. A crash folks. And it has been admitted that a crash could happen. So where are the people who complained and whined and moaned about the tranny that if it breaks will could cause a crash? Why aren't you all up in arms about this? Could it be that Honda admitted this and the recall was issued, so now you're not mad anymore? Could it be that you consider this problem less of a risk to cause a crash and since you think it was more of a risk of a failed tranny causing a crash, you not upset with this? Or could it be that you just wanted a new tranny even though yours was working fine and there's nothing to be gained from a new pump so you got nothing to say about this recall?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start anything. But if you go back to last year, all the crap that was being said during a hypothetical situation that I thought was motivated by feelings and dollars rather than by fact, where is it now...now that a recall is real and the word t-r-a-n-n-y is spelled p-u-m-p? Again, I feel badly for those who had to go thru the real deal with the tranny but those who didn't feel good about maybe having a tranny go out on them sometime late next year...how do you feel about your pump?

And don't be fooled, those ranges of VINs, it's a best [scientific] guess and is no more accurate than the day they installed the pump as NEW and WORKING FINE. But we'll never know for sure, sometimes they are exactly correct on the ranges because they might know when the defective parts were rec'd from an alternate supplier or they might be able to isolate a bad shipment or whatever. Anyone want to demand from Honda how they determined those ranges? My point is don't think you are completely immune just because you're outside the range, remember nobody was WITHIN that range when they bought their car. Tomorrow’s bulletin #2 could be you. Do you still feel safe? Ok, sorry, my point again was if you're always worried about something, you'll always be worried.

Peace.