Are high performance summer tires overkill
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Are high performance summer tires overkill
for anything but the track. What will be the primary advantages to driving on a performance tire vs say a high performance all season one. Can you really appreciate the differences on a public road without risking injury to yourself or someone else? Just a question so try to be nice
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You probably shouldn't go for R compound rubber but you can never have too sticky of a tire.
Braking will be the biggest improvement you'll notice for daily driving. In fact that's the main reason why I want to upgrade the Michelins.
Braking will be the biggest improvement you'll notice for daily driving. In fact that's the main reason why I want to upgrade the Michelins.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
You probably shouldn't go for R compound rubber but you can never have too sticky of a tire.
Braking will be the biggest improvement you'll notice for daily driving. In fact that's the main reason why I want to upgrade the Michelins.
Braking will be the biggest improvement you'll notice for daily driving. In fact that's the main reason why I want to upgrade the Michelins.
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
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How do you wear down tires enough to get warranty replacement? Or when should you replace it under warranty?
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i think he ment warrant meaning give him a reason to. not under warrenty....
are summer tires better in the rain? i mean down here in florida it doesnt snow so what would be the advantage of getting an all season?
are summer tires better in the rain? i mean down here in florida it doesnt snow so what would be the advantage of getting an all season?
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Originally Posted by Xtremespeed2102
i think he ment warrant meaning give him a reason to. not under warrenty....
are summer tires better in the rain? i mean down here in florida it doesnt snow so what would be the advantage of getting an all season?
are summer tires better in the rain? i mean down here in florida it doesnt snow so what would be the advantage of getting an all season?
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Originally Posted by xizor
certain summer tires are great in the rain (some are not). there's no reason at all IMO to get a all season in FL
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I replaced the stock michelins with yoko avs es100 on the same size and men that was great!!
I recommend this tire for aggressive daily drive.
I also considering now the Bridgestone RE750 and the Avon M500.
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I recommend this tire for aggressive daily drive.
I also considering now the Bridgestone RE750 and the Avon M500.
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Selecting tires really depends on how you drive. If you are an aggressive driver you should get high performance summer tires for spring, summer and fall, but you will need a set of snow tires if you plan to drive in the snow.
IMHO, downsides on high performance tires is usually low tread wear and little to no traction in the snow.
Selecting tires really depends on how you drive. If you are an aggressive driver you should get high performance summer tires for spring, summer and fall, but you will need a set of snow tires if you plan to drive in the snow.
IMHO, downsides on high performance tires is usually low tread wear and little to no traction in the snow.
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except maybe that a lot of summer tires only get about 15K of tread life.
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Everyone says the same thing about summer only tires, but my experiences tell me differently. I've had a set of Falken GR-Beta (the earlier one, it's now been discontinued) summer only tires on my Prelude, I was able to get 36k miles out of them. Then I had several sets of tires (Bridgestone S-03, Toyo T1-S) that lasted at least 24k miles. I also had several sets (Falken Azenis, Yokohama A520) that lasted just above 10k miles but that was because they were used on many auto-x events on concrete surface.
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I'd like to throw in my related questions about performance summer vs performance all-season.
First of all, I have heard from somewhere before that there's really no such thing as "performance all-season", is that true?
Granted I would believe performance all-season generally gives less performance than summer only ones, but for day-to-day agressive style driving, are performance all-season enough? I think that's the same thing original post asks anyway![Big Grin](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Second... my real question
A dilemma here in the Greater Van Area. We get lots of rain in the Fall and even Winter, but hardly get any real snow during Winter, even when there's snow, it's like only few days max and melt away within a week; and I don't go skiing or snowboarding, so snow/winter tires during Winter is definitely of no need for me (right?). Then should I go for performance summer (one that's good in wet) and try to use them all year? Or go for performance all-season?
First of all, I have heard from somewhere before that there's really no such thing as "performance all-season", is that true?
Granted I would believe performance all-season generally gives less performance than summer only ones, but for day-to-day agressive style driving, are performance all-season enough? I think that's the same thing original post asks anyway
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Second... my real question
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Originally Posted by 05_TSX_GP
I'd like to throw in my related questions about performance summer vs performance all-season.
First of all, I have heard from somewhere before that there's really no such thing as "performance all-season", is that true?
Granted I would believe performance all-season generally gives less performance than summer only ones, but for day-to-day agressive style driving, are performance all-season enough? I think that's the same thing original post asks anyway![Big Grin](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Second... my real question
A dilemma here in the Greater Van Area. We get lots of rain in the Fall and even Winter, but hardly get any real snow during Winter, even when there's snow, it's like only few days max and melt away within a week; and I don't go skiing or snowboarding, so snow/winter tires during Winter is definitely of no need for me (right?). Then should I go for performance summer (one that's good in wet) and try to use them all year? Or go for performance all-season?
First of all, I have heard from somewhere before that there's really no such thing as "performance all-season", is that true?
Granted I would believe performance all-season generally gives less performance than summer only ones, but for day-to-day agressive style driving, are performance all-season enough? I think that's the same thing original post asks anyway
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Second... my real question
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Think of it this way...a regular all-season tire will use a harder tread compound and a tread design with more sipes for removing fluid. A performance all season will use a softer tread compound but maintain the tread design. The true summer only performance tire will use the soft compound but have a more aggressive tread pattern with fewer cuts.
That sounds like good enough of a basis for me to go for a summer only performance that also does well in wet (they do exsit, right xizor?) - as long as I can also live with the possible shorter tread life and just not drive the car on the handful of snow days here.
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When "summer tires" are discussed, even aside from actual snow, aren't the cooler temperatures of say below 40 degrees F. important to note, or not? Don't true summer tires get "hard"in the colder weather, making them less effective? Or is this not exactly right?
Or maybe another way to ask is:
at what point in avg. daily temperature should summer tires be swapped out for a/s or dedicated winter?
Or maybe another way to ask is:
at what point in avg. daily temperature should summer tires be swapped out for a/s or dedicated winter?
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Originally Posted by Elephantman_nosefacehead
for anything but the track. What will be the primary advantages to driving on a performance tire vs say a high performance all season one. Can you really appreciate the differences on a public road without risking injury to yourself or someone else? Just a question so try to be nice ![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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2. You CAN also feel and enjoy the consistent quality differences/nuances of a good tire, not necessarily at its limit.
3. Why assume that we need to risk injury to anyone...what are you implying that we aren't responsible?
4. Tires ARE the SINGLE most effective way to change the performance and handling characteristics of a car. Besides you change them when they are worn anyway...so why not a good set. Surely your life OR that of OTHERS are worth more than a few dollars saved?????
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Originally Posted by LI_NY_1
When "summer tires" are discussed, even aside from actual snow, aren't the cooler temperatures of say below 40 degrees F. important to note, or not? Don't true summer tires get "hard"in the colder weather, making them less effective? Or is this not exactly right?
Or maybe another way to ask is:
at what point in avg. daily temperature should summer tires be swapped out for a/s or dedicated winter?
Or maybe another way to ask is:
at what point in avg. daily temperature should summer tires be swapped out for a/s or dedicated winter?
If you drive on summer tires in the cold, just give them sufficient time to warm up to operating temperature before you try anything stupid. If you live in a place that is cold enough that summer tires can't warm up to operating temperatures, you likely will be getting snow soon so throw some winter tires on the car because you will need them.
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Summer tires do harden with cold weather, but driving also causes them to warm up. Typically, climes that require true "winter" tires also develop a fair amount of precipitation.
If you drive on summer tires in the cold, just give them sufficient time to warm up to operating temperature before you try anything stupid. If you live in a place that is cold enough that summer tires can't warm up to operating temperatures, you likely will be getting snow soon so throw some winter tires on the car because you will need them.
If you drive on summer tires in the cold, just give them sufficient time to warm up to operating temperature before you try anything stupid. If you live in a place that is cold enough that summer tires can't warm up to operating temperatures, you likely will be getting snow soon so throw some winter tires on the car because you will need them.
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During Winter here, temp doesn't stay below freezing (only overnight) on non-snow days anyway, and I surely don't do anything stupid when there could be black ice (no tire would help in these, right?) in the morning drive - I just want to make it to the office on those mornings. Certainly no or very minimal spirited/aggressive driving during that season, just want to get by with one set of wheels and performance tires all year if I can, that's all
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That sounds like good enough of a basis for me to go for a summer only performance that also does well in wet (they do exsit, right xizor?)
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Good questions, good answers... I think these consolidate my decision further, thanks ![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
During Winter here, temp doesn't stay below freezing (only overnight) on non-snow days anyway, and I surely don't do anything stupid when there could be black ice (no tire would help in these, right?) in the morning drive - I just want to make it to the office on those mornings. Certainly no or very minimal spirited/aggressive driving during that season, just want to get by with one set of wheels and performance tires all year if I can, that's all
and seems like I can where I live... ![Wink](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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During Winter here, temp doesn't stay below freezing (only overnight) on non-snow days anyway, and I surely don't do anything stupid when there could be black ice (no tire would help in these, right?) in the morning drive - I just want to make it to the office on those mornings. Certainly no or very minimal spirited/aggressive driving during that season, just want to get by with one set of wheels and performance tires all year if I can, that's all
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Well, my suggestion (and my understanding) is that since BC gets snow in the winter, I would recommend that you switch to winter tires starting in around December and get a good 3-season tire.
I live in the Greater Van Area, and I don't go up to snow mountains for ski/board, so I honestly hardly drive on snow covered roads at all...
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3. Why assume that we need to risk injury to anyone...what are you implying that we aren't responsible?
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Originally Posted by Elephantman_nosefacehead
No what I meant was to appreciate the additional roadholding a high performance summer tire could give you could only be appreciated on a track as you would have to drive too fast on a public street to notice the difference and that could "potentially" be unsafe.
And there's no law against hard/late braking into turns
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hmmmm, well are the summer tires better in the rain? if i were to get new tires i would want something thats got better traction, expecially in the rain. tread life too is also a concern, but can you go wrong getting summer tires to get better rain traction?
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Originally Posted by Xtremespeed2102
hmmmm, well are the summer tires better in the rain? if i were to get new tires i would want something thats got better traction, expecially in the rain. tread life too is also a concern, but can you go wrong getting summer tires to get better rain traction?
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true, becuase after driving around here its been raining for the past week and i cant tell you how much better i would feel if i had some better tires on it.... but then again we did go for a month or two without any rain, so i mean there should be some sport summer tire that is good for only rain n warm weather..... correct?
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I replaced the stock michelins with yoko avs es100 on the same size and men that was great!!
I recommend this tire for aggressive daily drive.
I also considering now the Bridgestone RE750 and the Avon M500.
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I recommend this tire for aggressive daily drive.
I also considering now the Bridgestone RE750 and the Avon M500.
They are a GREAT tire. Very quiet and seem to grip well both in dry and wet.
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