ks112

so what your doing is say from launch your in first goin to redline then when you shift your throttle is still wide open? so basically your right foot is depressed for the whole quater mile, and the only foot movement you have is quick clutching with your left??

sauceman

Yes. I don't know any better method to get there any quicker.

ks112

hmm i've always been taught to stay off the gas when your changing gears maybe thats why i didn't catch up to the precedia. i will buy a crappy car at the auction and try powershifting before i do it on the tsx.

sauceman

Actually, you should always be laying off the gas when shifting... except when drag racing. Even when you're tracking your car, whether auto X or road racing, if you want to retain some sort of durability, you might want to be just a tad easier with the drivetrain.

ks112

but damn man you still got like 100,000km when you take it to the track every friday and your car is fine right?? Well i doubt i'd ever powershift on the tsx but i'd sure like to learn how to do it.

Andynolife

it's very impressive that u keep up with the CL-S .. jsut wondering if it's an auto or standar ??
if it's a 6 sp ..... kind of hard to believe it .... or maybe that guy is sux at drving a 6 sp....

sauceman

The CL-S was a 5AT.

dom

sauce, since you seem to be making a habit of this, I think its time for some mods no?

At least a Injen?

So do you think the car is getting stronger or weaker with age? The long term Accord and Element reviews I've seen suggest the engines became weaker at 40,000 miles. I wonder how the TSX performs.

jlukja

sauce, so do you rely on the rev limiter to keep you from overreving during shifts?

sauceman

domn, I'm kinda doubtful it would really be a good bang for the buck, since I killed a TSX 6MT with an Injen, despite the fact that I was heavier. I'll be modding the car when parts get old and need replacement, then I'll be upgrading. The Injen might arrive sometime, though, I really haven't made up my mind yet.

Right now I'm preparing to get as close as possible to a flat 15, bone stock, full interior except for the spare wheel. I should have numbers by end of August. My tires should be almost slick by then, so it should give me a hand.

I'd say the engine openned up more and more between 10k and 25k, and has remained at least as strong, if not better. If it is not necessarily related to performance, my fuel economy has shot up big time since last year, probably indicating the engine has settled in well.

jlukja, I do rely on the tach for shifting. Some say the tach is not reliable, but I'm convinced it's dead on. At least it serves me right when I'm tearing down the track.

BTW, nice avatar domn. I'm sure Jason is really pleased with it too. Welcome to The Order.

sauceman

So yesterday I went to another regionnal drag strip, and there it wasn't in the "race whatcha brung" format, but the name of the game was get the best time!!

It was the first time I was racing with the full christmas tree lighing up, so many of the runs for me was about getting the right reaction time, as well as frantically searching for traction. I was also nervous as hell, so I wasted a few other runs by making dumb little mistakes, one of which nearly cost me my clutch, which had heated up like hell, and had become as slippery as glass. Fortunately, and this is the beauty of a stock clutch, I let it all cool down for about an hour, and the grip was back to normal afterwards with nearly no sequel. If it had been my old Centerforce, it was over.

So my goal was a flat 15.0. Well, being much too nervous that I was, I wasn't able to make the perfect run that I needed in order to get the time down to 15.0.

But 2 of my better runs yielded this:

1. 15.342 @ 92.446mph, reaction time: .256, 60ft: 2.447. Exterior temperature: 21°C track heated by the sun.

2. 15.389 @ 91.424mph, reaction time: .136, 60ft: 2.438. Exterior temperature: 18°C sun was down, much, much cooler track.

The second run was much better, a lot closer to the potential given the conditions.

Judging by the butt feeling of my runs, a flat 15 is not an unrealistic thing bone stock, but I will definitely have to find a way to ake the best traction out of my tires.

Oh, and I did 2x 15.46 with VSA on.

I'll post the slips later on, I need to get them scanned first.

dom

fdl

The TSX is so much quicker when the weather is cool. 15C seems to be perfect from my butt reading.

What RPM did you launch at for those times, and did you dump or slip the clutch?
What RPM did you shift at?

sauceman

I was launching anywhere between 2500 and 3000rpms. I wasn't quite dumping the clutch, it was more of a slingshot launch, but I was having a hard time doing it really well.

My shifting was always at 7400, just before the cutoff jumped in.

Xtremespeed2102

this might be the wrong place for this or there might be another thread, im not too sure how to word it but from reading the last post,
i understand its a manual transmission so it may be different but im new at this so please bare with me.
okay well when i (i think its called this) power break (foot on break and other toying with the gas) i cant get the car to rev above 3000 rpm, my freind has the same problem with the tl. i think it has something to do with the comp, but i cant get my tires to spin either with the vsa off doing this, probably cuz the car doesnt make enough torque until higher rpms.

sooooo how do you guys get around it, preferable with the auto.
when i do finally go to the track to toy around, should i use the tiptronic? i like to toy with it while im driving hard sooo..
i thank you in advance

ClutchPerformer

The car has a rev limiter that doesn't allow you to go over a certain RPM with the brake pedal down (not sure where it is, but it's probably 3000 like you say). There's another one that cuts at 4500 if you're in neutral. The car is protecting itself.

Xtremespeed2102

yeah well neutral drops are HORRIBLE for the car. my freind has an AT RSX and has already gone through one pair of tires and already is starting to ahve problems with his tranny (keeping in mind his car was brand new in nov 04). i mean there have been days ive pulled up to his place right after it rained where i have diffuclty parking my car becuase there is so much smoke (yes he is a dumbass).
so ne way back to the tsx. how would the best way to launch it? get that little of the power brake and then just whomp on the gas?

mrsteve

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Good runs but on this one, realize you beat the driver, not the car. A properly shifted CL-S 6spd will run 14.5 stock.

sauceman

It was an AT, not a 6MT, but even then, you may be right.

It's the fun in a race whatcha brung-type racing format like I usually do, if you are a good launcher and shifter, you can upset novices with more powerful cars.

bacardi151

There's no way you beat a CL-S. My friends six speed ran 14.0 1/4 mile and he only has a CAI. My TL-S runs 14.6 all day long and it's a lot heavier than a TSX.

sauceman

Heads-up driver's race dood. It's a plain red-to-green light quickest reaction or whatever you call it type of racing.

And I didn't kill the CLS, but I did finish head-to-head with him, you better believe it boy.

I don't BS. What you see is what you get.

RMATIC09

I know, and im not sure if the CAI makes the difference, but my car is a good amount noticably quicker in cooler dry weather. You would prob think it woudlent be as much as it is, but when i push the car hard now in this fall weather, im surpised at it's pick up opposed to when i got it in the middle of the spring/summer, when it was very humid and hot.

J.T.'s 3.2CL

14.0 with only CAI? until proven otherwise.

gocubsgo55

you know i also noticed that. Here in Chicago, yesterday was miserably humid and 70 degrees (pretty damn good for late October, average is like 55.) Today in 54 degree weather i really felt some pickup. Noticeably more than usual. Pretty cool.

Andynolife

i smoked a debaged 3-series yesterday ~ donno if it's a 323i/325i cuz it got HID so it wont be a 320i~ but wont be a 330i for sure ~ im pretty supiresed how these similar spec bimmer performed ~ kick ass turning but weak acceleration .. ~~ im sure he was really into this race cuz he drove really aggressively .. ~the race started at the entery of the high way he took out b4 me at abt 80km and i just full gas all the way and passed him at 140km and smoked him all the way till i got 200km ~ the pnt is.. ~~ that bimmer runs like a permium RSX which really not impressive .. ~and sitll no kno wut model it's ~

jmf

The top end acceleration of your iV-Tec is the difference. I did the same w/ a 350Z. He beat me off the line, but once we got to highway speed, it was over. My TSX (the auto) pulled away. The guy had a convertible Z. He looked so pissed, probably because he was owned by a 4DR car.

Dan Martin

InsuranceGuy

Lee and a stock 14.5 second stock TSX........ if you believe this then you should probably keep looking for the tooth fairy.

Andynolife

yeah .. ~~ freaky .. ~~ u cant beat a 350Z wheather it's convertible or not .. ~~ and stock 14.5 TSX is ~

sauceman

Where did anyone talk of a stock 14.5 secs TSX?

BlackTSXer

eh fogedaboutit.. some people done realize that the driver in a race makes a WORLD of difference..

Seattle Cl-S

I agree. Most people don't realize that street tires actually lose some grip when they're too warm.

Seattle Cl-S

The convertible 350Z runs almost identical times to the hardtop. The guy forgot to downshift or, if auto, the car decided for him. Ah well, a win is a win.

dom

You can put Micheal Shumacher in a TSX and he wouldn't get 14.5. So yes a good driver makes a difference but they can't perform miracles.

BlackTSXer

not saying that, but, what was said above is believable. some people just cant drive stick right..

sauceman

Time to bring this thread from the dead for more of my racing stories!

So I was back at Sanair this evening, and I must admit I was very mild with the idea of getting the TSX back on the track for racing. I wanted to help a buddy of mine with his RSX, but he called off. There was no way I wasn't gonna be there though.

So another of my good buddies finally convinced me to warm up and go head-to-head with him in his 2 door Teg. Needless to say, he was a roadkill, and I assumed he knew that until after the race when he told me he learned his lesson, and he wouldn't try me again.

Anyhow, as the evening went on, a few interesting cars arrived. Among those a CTS with a 3.6L V6, and a Corrolla XRS. Now knowing we've debated over the XRS over here, I immediately wanted to race with the guy, so we did. And it was a kill. Actually it wasn't a race. I must have crossed the line a full second before the guy.

So there you have it, TSX > Corolla XRS. I have it on film, just need someone kind enough to host it.

I had seen a race between the CTS and the XRS. They were two buddies. The CTS had killed the XRS, but not nearly in the fashion I did, so I thought hell, while I'm on top of things, I might as well give it a go.

So I give it a try. Unfortunately, I messed up my launch, but even then, I was going nose to nose with the guy. Then I managed to screw up shifting in 3rd, so the guy passed ahead of me, and that was that. If only I had as good a run as with the XRS, I'd be bragging I killed the CTS. Unfortunately not. Mea culpa

But the guy was really cool, and he accepted to give it another go. This time my launch was okay, though not perfect. The track was rapidly losing the awesome grip it had at the beginning, but no excuses anyway. The CTS guy had a much better start, and we hung together in first. Then he slowly started edging me out in 2nd, 3rd and 4th. He finished the race a full car's length ahead of me. So I congratulated him, and we both parked our cars. I have a video of this as well, just need to get it hosted.

That was it for me tonight. I really feel like I can't afford a dozen runs a night like I did last year at Napierville.

But still it showed me that that my TSX, despite it's 170,000km is still on top of things, and very much still as powerful as last year. And I'm proud to report it to you guys too. The TSX seems like it has a very solid engine.

sauceman

I finally found a way to make those videos available (thanks Dan Martin ) Courtesy http://www.putfile.com

Here is the TSX vs Corolla XRS vid: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=TSX-vs-Corolla-XRS

Here is the vid for TSX vs CTS 3.6: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=TSX-vs-CTS

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

It was a CTS 3.6...

That's pretty impressive since they make like 255hp.

And nice kill on the XRS, though your camera man has a serious case of the shakes. Needs a tripod.

BTW, what was the little blue light on top of your car?

leftride

iTrader: (1)

i think its just a reflection, it seems to come and go....

Dan Martin

Cool vids!