kendroz

Tonight I was returning home when this guy with a passenger accelerate at the light. I was listening to the car sound and it has catback and some type of CAI.

It was a VW GTI VR6.

On the next light he want to race but I told him to go rolling at 20mph. When that happens and I shift to 3rd, he losses by far. He told me on the next stop that my TL with the V6 was great and then I realize that a lot of people out there are confuse about our cars. When they see dual exhaust they believe we are V6???
On 1st and 2nd it was close but our 3rd gear is the one that matches the moderate power of our cars.

My opinion.

Thanks to all and drive safely

Ontilt

Im sorry but I dont see it happening.

samkws

wow...never thought TSX can beat VR6

sauceman

Definitely can. I've been meaning to race against a VR6 for a while now, but I know we can beat those. Now whether we can beat a VR6 GLI is another question.

Howard911s

1) we can beat VR6?.........

2) a miracle he listened to ur rule........

3) most people I meet have not the silghtest idea that i am driving tSX, 90% think i am in a TL.....even when TL first came out.... the car magazine quote

"TL.....essentially a larger TSX"

jkochis

Coming from a 1998 GTI VR6 with intake and chip I would say it is possible but like any time driver dependent. The specs are close. I do miss my GTI at times since it was 5 speed vs my auto tsx... but thats all I miss... not the many visits to dealer with crap breaking... leaks... windows stop working.... random check engine lights... no more vw's for me :-)


TSX -> Curb Weight: 3230 lbs Horsepower: 200 hp Torque: 166 ft-lbs

GTI VR6 - > Curb Weight: 2800 lbs. Horsepower: 172 hp Torque: 173 ft-lbs.

iamhomin

Lexus/Honda/BMW/Infiniti drivers know what car we're driving, the others think we're in a TL.

dom

Whats the differene The GLI is only a trim level. There's only one version of the VR6 motor.

TSX.Fury

it looks cooler?

Ontilt

Well, it actually depends on which year VR6 someone has. I can say if its the older spec'd engine with 172hp engine then yes. However, if they have the 03 and up VR6 GLI or GLX with 200hp there is no way anyone should have been able to keep up. Especially, if the car had an intake and exhaust.

dom

Exactly. the older VR6's had 172Hp while the newer ones 200. But wheather it was a base GLX VR6 or a GLI VR6 the motor was the same.


Not sure if the tranny was any different?

dom

Not sure why your scratching. My point was about the motor not the trim levels.

TSX.Fury

lol, I agreed with you... I was saying the only difference is they look different, no difference in the motor.

dom

Oops, sorry.

Its too early and rainy this morning. Of course it could be worse, I could be in NO.

iTimmy

There are 3 versions of the VR6 motor, the older one from the MkIII cars, which didn't have variable length intake runners and is really pretty slow by today's standard, with moderate mileage and being well maintained it would be lucky to do a 15.5 in the quarter, with a few mods and a good driver you can probably get it into the low 15's, but anything more then that will take big money. The second VR6 came out in 99.5 it had a few improvements of which the most obvious is the variable length intake runners - and produced the 170(ish)HP and 170(ish)lb-ft of torque - this is a fun package to drive, the limitation is the clutch and tranny - a peloquin or quaife would make a big improvement but at the same time you'd have to install a much better clutch. The last version of the 2.8L VR6 came out in 2002 as a 24 valve VR6 and this produced a touch over 200 hp, had a better tranny(6 spd) but the same clutch limitation.

So if this race was a mkIII then I am not surprised, any mkIV and I would suspect the car is in poor running order(not uncommon for VR6's) or driven by an idiot. Having owned and driven plenty of VR6's and now driving a TSX, the VW is a faster car in stock form.

TSX.Fury

You are missing the point... we were saying that the same MY VR6 and GLI have the same motor... not that the VR6 has never changed.

sauceman

Guys guys, I am not a VW specialist. To me a GLI VR6 came with the Jetta 4 and had a 6MT 200hp. I was opposing it to the Jetta3 and Golf 4's 172hp VR6.

Nothing more to look into. I am convinced the TSX can show it's ass to a 172 hp VR6, but not so easily with a 200hp 6MT VR6.

itrhybrid

iTrader: (1)

Don't forget about the R32 with the 3.2l. 240 HP and roughly same torque. That's a mean sounding motor.

iTimmy

That's why I said in my post 2.8L VR6. the new 3.6 sounds pretty cool too!

Rock2534

I don't know, i had a 99 gti vr6 5 speed, with the 172hp, and that thing moved. I've also driven the TSX a few times, not as much as you who own them though. I would think they would be close on the highway as the tsx seems to get up and go once you are moving, but I would have to give the edge to the vr6 in the low end. 1st thru 3rd gear were nasty, pulled up to 100 hard. only had it 8 months before it got totaled, so i never ran into any mechanical issues with it.

sauceman

I remember having raced on the highway with a modded Jetta VR6 GLX (3rd gen) to 200kph and I was constantly pulling away from him.

I know for a fact that from a standing start, it is much easier to get a good launch with the TSX, and especially given that the VWs are NOT easy to powershift through 1-2, so there's an advantage right there.

Next time I go to the tracks I'll try and hit one up and get it on film, but I'm pretty sure they're in for a spanking.

Boosted_2gz

Gosh, the ignorance in this board is kinda staggering... I cant stand it....

Why are some of you guys just keep referring to the Jetta?!?
The original post clearly specified GTI VR6 (unless you can find a JETTA GTI). The current (not the new body) GTI is faster than the GLI by quite a margin, and if the TSX can win over the GTI, it is simply because he was the better driver.

Besides, anyone who mistaken the TSX over the TL clearly have some issues (aka: poser, ricer, etc), and I can pretty much bet that he doesnt even know shit about his own car.

sauceman

Easy there tiger. It's not a VW board here and so all of the subtleties pertaining to VWs are not necessarily known by all here, quite understandably.

I didn't know for example that Golfs were much quicker than Jettas. I thought they all dwelled around the same curb weights. Unless it's because they have a more agressive gearing.

BlackTSXer

not really man.. not all people are VW experts... especially on an acura-tsx board..

and many people i know think the tsx and tl is the same car but are not even close to being a poser, ricer, etc.. what does being a ricer, poser, etc.. have to do with mistaking a TSX for a TL?

jimstsx

In regards to your message about beating the VR6...One of my friends has a 2002 VR6 and we raced last week. Even though I have had track experience and know how to drive a car...the TSX got beaten. I thought it was a one time thing so we raced again and again the same result. I think it is hard for the TSX to beat a car with the same HP rating and less weight. Does anyone know any easy ways to get performance gains from the TSX?

itrhybrid

iTrader: (1)

Where are all the references to the Jetta??? I see one or two posts about the GLI (which is a Jetta) in reference to the different models of VR6 motor. Other than that I did not I didn't see that much talk of the jetta.

Rock2534

I have no doubt the tsx will run with the gti on the highway, i am impressed with it there. The gti is just so light, i think like 2800lbs, something like that, it really gets up and going. I don't think my CL-S is any faster up to 100mph than my gti was. The trans on the gti was quite enjoyable to use in my opinion. Now the dash and lights were no were near that of the tsx though.

Ontilt

I can't really say that because I really loved the blue lighting of the Jetta/GTI. Although, I really like the LED's.

Rock2534

yeah, i had a 99 gti, so it was the white guages with the green lighting. but for 20k, it was a fun car.

BDI

A good friend of mine owns a 2002 GTi. When It was stock we ran our cars and the TSX has the upper hand on the 0-70 sprint(about a car length), After that the GTi will smoke us like nothing. Since he got it chipped I haven't bothered.

TSXforme

That sounds like a 1.8T story. Chips do not have as great of an effect on VR6 engines.

BDI

And my dumbass just realized that we are talkin' about VR6's.....hahahahhahah

925tsx

who really cares if the vr6 can beat the tsx by 1 million car lenghts.
at the end of the day its a vr6 gti
sheisty.

id rock the tsx over the gti vr6 evn if the tsx only had 6 horsepower.