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11-05-2007, 08:02 PM
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swapping the motor....
i know it sounds like a dumb idea... but i plan on swapping the k24 for a k20a from the current ctr... has anyone swapped their motors yet?
11-05-2007, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by loulinjai
I"m going to say, unless you have really good low end support, you're going to loose low end torque and make the car less driveable as a daily driver.
11-05-2007, 09:50 PM
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Are you sure you want to do this swap?
The K20 found in the Euro-R is a lil' more effective due to it being lighter than the TSX. In the "VTEC CLUB" dvd by "Best Motoring" the Euro-R was no slouch, but when pitted against the DC5 ITR and EP3 CTR, it was pretty apparent weight played a large factor. It held it's own but couldn't hang.
But, when they later raced a tuned CL7, gutted, slicks and a tuned susp., it was a different story.
It's true though, the K20 does have more aftermarket support, which is a tempting idea.
The K20 found in the Euro-R is a lil' more effective due to it being lighter than the TSX. In the "VTEC CLUB" dvd by "Best Motoring" the Euro-R was no slouch, but when pitted against the DC5 ITR and EP3 CTR, it was pretty apparent weight played a large factor. It held it's own but couldn't hang.
But, when they later raced a tuned CL7, gutted, slicks and a tuned susp., it was a different story.
It's true though, the K20 does have more aftermarket support, which is a tempting idea.
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Originally Posted by ILoveMyHonda
Are you sure you want to do this swap?
The K20 found in the Euro-R is a lil' more effective due to it being lighter than the TSX. In the "VTEC CLUB" dvd by "Best Motoring" the Euro-R was no slouch, but when pitted against the DC5 ITR and EP3 CTR, it was pretty apparent weight played a large factor. It held it's own but couldn't hang.
But, when they later raced a tuned CL7, gutted, slicks and a tuned susp., it was a different story.
It's true though, the K20 does have more aftermarket support, which is a tempting idea.
The K20 found in the Euro-R is a lil' more effective due to it being lighter than the TSX. In the "VTEC CLUB" dvd by "Best Motoring" the Euro-R was no slouch, but when pitted against the DC5 ITR and EP3 CTR, it was pretty apparent weight played a large factor. It held it's own but couldn't hang.
But, when they later raced a tuned CL7, gutted, slicks and a tuned susp., it was a different story.
It's true though, the K20 does have more aftermarket support, which is a tempting idea.
11-05-2007, 10:04 PM
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If you have $$$ to burn, I would rather go for Comptech SC + I/H/E, should be more than enough.
Or, if you are looking for ultimate, go for Hytech Stage3 mod, abuot $11,000, and will get you to 300+whp.
Or, if you are looking for ultimate, go for Hytech Stage3 mod, abuot $11,000, and will get you to 300+whp.
11-05-2007, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by hyunk24a2
i 2nd the vote of rather then swapping out motors. why not go with the hytech set up. i figure a k20 swap + tranny will cost about the same anyways
11-05-2007, 11:29 PM
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cuz your putting in a motor with less power into a heavier car regardless of more aftermarket support. u would be the only one that im aware of with a stage 3 hytech set up though if you want to be different.
11-06-2007, 01:34 AM
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just wanna do something different... i haven't heard of anyone swapping out the tsx motor
11-06-2007, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ILoveMyHonda
Why two?
why not try swapping in the K23 turbo motor from the rdx?
11-06-2007, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tsxdriver
haha cause i thought i lost my first one so i went out and both another one
why not try swapping in the K23 turbo motor from the rdx?
why not try swapping in the K23 turbo motor from the rdx?
11-06-2007, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PrecyseStylez
want to swap in a motor?.. why not throw a TL-s motor in.. that has never been done! I just dont see the reason to go with a smaller displacement. build on what you have since internals are interchangeable. K24>K20. Go do a custom turbo kit..
11-06-2007, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tsxdriver
why not try swapping in the K23 turbo motor from the rdx?
11-06-2007, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DAYTA
Not 100% sure, but since the only current application for the K23t also involves SH-AWD, I would imagine you'd run into some serious issues and costs with the drivetrain and/or engine management.
11-06-2007, 12:19 PM
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I think you would want to talk to a few teams running the TSX in a racing configuration and see what you are getting into when it comes to Engine management. No sense in using the ECU with stock mappings when you can drop it for something 100% custom. Of course, you'll have to run a completely different guage cluster and you'll loose your comfort features. Basically, might as well strip the car down at that point.
11-06-2007, 01:42 PM
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This does sound like a wacko idea. You tokin' too much Maui Wowie? Lol
Pretty much anything for the K20 will work on the K24...but the displacement will never be there. There is such a huge potential in the TSX motor I can't really see any point in changing it for anything.
I am as much a purist as anyone else might be, but this one I can't see being practical, or in any way cost-effective. Thus, I doubt anyone has, or really will, do this for any reason other than necessity (ie, blown tsx motor and no affordable replacement is available).
Pretty much anything for the K20 will work on the K24...but the displacement will never be there. There is such a huge potential in the TSX motor I can't really see any point in changing it for anything.
I am as much a purist as anyone else might be, but this one I can't see being practical, or in any way cost-effective. Thus, I doubt anyone has, or really will, do this for any reason other than necessity (ie, blown tsx motor and no affordable replacement is available).
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Originally Posted by MrHeeltoe
This does sound like a wacko idea. You tokin' too much Maui Wowie? Lol
There's a good chance you're gonna lose the functionality of your gauges. My guess is that you are planning to do a K20 and then run with Forced induction or Turbo. If you don't do that, it's defintely not worth it.
Either way, why not keep the K24, put a RSX throttle body on and run K-Pro with some aftermarket gauges.
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What makes you say that the K20a is a better motor?
From what I've read the K20 and K24 both have pros and cons. It really depends on what you plan to do with it later. So, I guess I should first ask what mods you plan. Do you plan to do forced induction or keep it Naturally aspirated?
Either way it's not going to be cheap, but I'm thinking you already knew that or you wouldn't have started this thread.
From what I've read the K20 and K24 both have pros and cons. It really depends on what you plan to do with it later. So, I guess I should first ask what mods you plan. Do you plan to do forced induction or keep it Naturally aspirated?
Either way it's not going to be cheap, but I'm thinking you already knew that or you wouldn't have started this thread.
11-06-2007, 06:27 PM
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Seriously, do you want to swap just because no one did it? Or you do it for pride?
K20A is only better on the high-rpm range, but given our car weight and it's a 4-dr sedan, torque is BIGGER than anything else.
And if ya friend or wherever you see online tell you that K20A is better, it is NOT. Take a look on CRSX or Honda-tech forum, people w/ RSX are swapping in K24 lol.
The reason behind this is to find the torque that's lack in the Honda 4cyclinder, people can go w/ K24A2/K20 Frank build; K24A3 + FI (Popular pick for using Element/Accord I-4 block due to low compression); or a full K24 build.
Swapping in a K20A on TSX is like going backwards without any potential growth, if you are willing to lose ya A/C, guage, VSA, Cruise control and all that for going K20A. Then might just build on your stock K24A2 instead. The only reason why people swapping in the K20A is ...... they have a Civic w/ B-series engine and looking for more power, but that's another story.
K20A is only better on the high-rpm range, but given our car weight and it's a 4-dr sedan, torque is BIGGER than anything else.
And if ya friend or wherever you see online tell you that K20A is better, it is NOT. Take a look on CRSX or Honda-tech forum, people w/ RSX are swapping in K24 lol.
The reason behind this is to find the torque that's lack in the Honda 4cyclinder, people can go w/ K24A2/K20 Frank build; K24A3 + FI (Popular pick for using Element/Accord I-4 block due to low compression); or a full K24 build.
Swapping in a K20A on TSX is like going backwards without any potential growth, if you are willing to lose ya A/C, guage, VSA, Cruise control and all that for going K20A. Then might just build on your stock K24A2 instead. The only reason why people swapping in the K20A is ...... they have a Civic w/ B-series engine and looking for more power, but that's another story.
11-06-2007, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Tsx536
What makes you say that the K20a is a better motor?
From what I've read the K20 and K24 both have pros and cons. It really depends on what you plan to do with it later. So, I guess I should first ask what mods you plan. Do you plan to do forced induction or keep it Naturally aspirated?
Either way it's not going to be cheap, but I'm thinking you already knew that or you wouldn't have started this thread.
From what I've read the K20 and K24 both have pros and cons. It really depends on what you plan to do with it later. So, I guess I should first ask what mods you plan. Do you plan to do forced induction or keep it Naturally aspirated?
Either way it's not going to be cheap, but I'm thinking you already knew that or you wouldn't have started this thread.
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Originally Posted by hyunk24a2
11-06-2007, 10:58 PM
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i know the pros and cons of both motors... it just that i'm more familiar in tuning the k20 series... as for the build... i wanna go high compression low boost... completely building the motor to handle the power... i can always build the k24.. but i haven't heard of anyone revving that motor to 11K...
11-07-2007, 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by PrecyseStylez
Who wants to rev to 11k?? i dont even think any k20a is pushing the revs that high!?
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^^Why don't you just call up Realtime Racing and have them race prep your TSX. They used to do it for privateers a while back when they ran Integras. With shipping your car over and back, probably would cost you less.
I admire your desire to mod, just not the logics.
I admire your desire to mod, just not the logics.
11-07-2007, 10:29 AM
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its been done...... and i would like to rev 11k
11-07-2007, 04:16 PM
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expect a loss in tq. and a fat dent in your wallet hahaha
as far as swapping the rdx motor into our cars u might as well forget about it. or expect to lose vtec and limit yourself to 13 lb. of boost unless u buy a whole new turbo. and thats IF you get it running some how.
prove me wrong! i would love to see it though
as far as swapping the rdx motor into our cars u might as well forget about it. or expect to lose vtec and limit yourself to 13 lb. of boost unless u buy a whole new turbo. and thats IF you get it running some how.
prove me wrong! i would love to see it though
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Originally Posted by CL9er
its been done...... and i would like to rev 11k
I find it hard to believe you would want a car that makes power so high. Even with VTEC, it would not develop much torque down low and thus would be a huge pain in the ass to drive around town...
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Originally Posted by CL9er
i know the pros and cons of both motors... it just that i'm more familiar in tuning the k20 series... as for the build... i wanna go high compression low boost... completely building the motor to handle the power... i can always build the k24.. but i haven't heard of anyone revving that motor to 11K...
So at this point, I think you should just do it. I wish you the best of luck, you'll be a pioneer. Sure it costs some money and you might lose some luxory comforts , but it doesn't sounds like you care. So go for it!
So when do you expect to have the engine or do you already have it?
11-07-2007, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Tsx536
Well sounds like your mind is set on doing this. You've had a reply to ever comment saying not to do it or that you should think this over.
So at this point, I think you should just do it. I wish you the best of luck, you'll be a pioneer. Sure it costs some money and you might lose some luxory comforts , but it doesn't sounds like you care. So go for it!
So when do you expect to have the engine or do you already have it?
So at this point, I think you should just do it. I wish you the best of luck, you'll be a pioneer. Sure it costs some money and you might lose some luxory comforts , but it doesn't sounds like you care. So go for it!
So when do you expect to have the engine or do you already have it?