acn684

How does hondata affect our warrenty? The 06 gains look insanely impressive. Right now Im thinking about dropping that 1 grand to get Hondata, IceBox, and a rear Sway this summer. Estimates taht I'll gain about 40 bhp from just those 2 parts, and better handling. W00t.

However, I'm still worried about how it might affect my warrenty. I bought it at Rallye acura for a reason.

Does having ur ECU modified void any warrenty that it might cover if something goes wrong with the car, and also does removing the res, as well as changing the CAI void the warrenty that covers those specific parts?

Oh yeah, can someone explain what the icebox does? It definately doesn't look like one of those Intakes that i've seen in other cars. This one just looks like a plastic box...how can that run under SRI mode incase it rains like hell one day and I worry I'd hydrolock the car....

Wow...40 bhp...assuming 600 and 150 for the parts
thats less than 20 dollars per bhp....impressive compared to the $80 dollars per bhp from a supercharger.

GIBSON6594

You can't tell me you havn't seen 50 threads covering this topic since you joined in July of 05

jlukja

I agree with Gibson. There are threads out there addressing each of your questions.

Some thoughts:

Warranty can only be denied if it can be shown that the modification (icebox or reflash) led directly to a failure. As an example, if you drive around at a constant 7600rpm until your piston rings melt then the repair won't be covered. But, if your exhaust manifod cracks then it will be covered. The reflash has been available for quite a while for 04 owners and I don't recall anyone posting that their warranty was voided due to having the reflash.

The Icebox comes in 2 sections (air horn and airbox lid). The lower airhorn replaces the resonator assembly while the lid replaces the OEM lid. The lower part of the air filter box remains OEM as does the intake tubing between the air filter box and the manifold. The Icebox helps breathing because, in theory, the lower air horn allows for less turbulance and the removal of the resonator is less restrictive. The Icebox lid is larger volume than OEM and doesn't have the plastic ridges that the OEM lid has thus allowing smoother air flow. The Icebox is more difficult to hydrolock because the filter element remains in the stock location whereas other intakes have the filter element sitting behind the front bumper. You won't hydrolock your engine in either case if you just drive in the rain. You would need to drive your TSX through some pretty deep water for it to completely engulf the intake.

Tsx536

Nice post 007

You should be able to get all of those mods for under $1000.

$595 Hondata reflash
$155 Comptech Icebox
$105 Comptech RSB

$855 This assuming DIY. All of those mods are fairly easy to install though.

Zasker1

I agree with BOND but really at the end of the day, if you are modding your car, you should not have any sort of expectation that you will be covered when you kill your motor at 80k miles rather than 200k. One of the choices we make as tuners is to forgo the safety net of a warrantee in the quest for better performance. That is not to say you should not try to seek coverage if there is a problem, but if you mode your car you should expect to have more wear and tear type issues than a stock car, although preventive maintenance and driving style play an important factor as well.

tsx 2 nv

also, you arent gaining 32 PEAK bhp from hondata reflash, you are getting a power gain of 32 hp at 6000 rpm. You are only getting 3 peak hp.

http://www.hondata.com/reflash_tsx_06.html

exexexex

I admit that I am a noob.What's that mean though? 3 peak hp only? then what's 32hp at 6000rpm means? Sorry,I am no tech guy.

tsx 2 nv

peak hp = the highest hp reached at any moment by the car. if you look at the graphs in the link i sent you, the extra 32 hp is in relation from what the hp is of a stock 06 tsx at 6,000 rpm to a 06 tsx with the reflash at 6000 rpm (rpms are on the x-axis of the dyno). peak hp is reached at 7250 rpm on a stock tsx and 7600 rpm on the hondata tsx.

hondata

Something like this:

Stock 04 TSX vs Reflashed 04 TSX. Quicktime needed

http://www.hondata.com/media/tsx-reflash-vs-stock.mov

tsx 2 nv

^ best answer ever!

Brandon24pdx

Peak horsepower doesnt tell the whole story. How much torque and Horsepower is available throughout the rev-range is just as important. think of the difference between a 4 cylinder motor with a huge turbo that doesnt reach full spool until 5000 rpms vs. a V8 that makes tons of power from 2000 rpms. Both could have the same peak HP, but the engine that can deliver the power the fastest and for the longest period of time will walk away from the other one on the road.

peter_bigblock

That's right. What Hondata's reflash does is increase the area under the hp and torque curves without really increasing the maximum height of either curve by very much. That's why, in the video, the reflashed car (on the left) eventually pulls away from the stock car. They have about the same max hp and torque, but the reflashed TSX has more torque (and therefore hp) at 4k, 5k, 6k, etc., rpm and so exerts more twisting force on the wheels, and for longer.

Google horsepower and torque and, if you learn about the relationship between them, you'll understand why peak hp doesn't tell the whole story and why people pay attention to torque and rpms in addition to just peak hp. It will also give you an understanding of why, on a day-to-day car, modifications that only increase your peak hp don't necessarily result in a car that seems quicker and, at worst, can make a car feel sluggish in daily driving.

It will also give you an idea why a lot of people who just talk about horsepower don't know what they're talking about.