Hondata, CAI, and RSB => effect on longevity?
03-01-2006, 10:55 AM
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Hondata, CAI, and RSB => effect on longevity?
I know a supercharger would probably reduce the life of the car, but how much would hondata, cold air, and rsb affect the cars life? I don't plan to drive hard, just want a bit more low end power, and some power availible in the high-cam whenever it is needed.
03-01-2006, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by acn684
I know a supercharger would probably reduce the life of the car, but how much would hondata, cold air, and rsb affect the cars life? I don't plan to drive hard, just want a bit more low end power, and some power availible in the high-cam whenever it is needed.
03-01-2006, 11:03 AM
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With the possible exception of hondata's additional 300rpm at the top of the rev range, none of the mods take the car outside its design limits. So, I'd say you have nothing to worry about. And, really, what percentage of the engine's operating life is going to be spent between 7300 and 7600 rpm anyway.
03-01-2006, 11:45 AM
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Just know that the CAI isn't going to provide you any low-end power, and in fact may rob you of just a tiny amount in the process of providing more high end gains. My car now rewards me for keeping the revs high and playing in SS mode, while driving like stock if I'm being conservative and using the fully automagic.
I have the CAI and RSB in my 06. I *will* get Hondata as soon as its available for the 06AT.
I highly recommend these modifications.
I have the CAI and RSB in my 06. I *will* get Hondata as soon as its available for the 06AT.
I highly recommend these modifications.
03-01-2006, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Reach
and in fact may rob you of just a tiny amount in the process of providing more high end gains.
And I would say its alot more than a tiny amount.
03-01-2006, 12:02 PM
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Yeah, I think it would still be fine in the long run. Since you said that you don't drive the car hard, then I think it would help make everything last even longer.
And like everyone is saying, you're not going to get much low end power from a CAI. I would look into the Icebox if you want more low end power. It gives you a little more throttle response low in the RPM range. There's a good thread around here with a dyno. Do a search for "injen icebox dyno" and you'll find a thread by Asahi. Great thread
And like everyone is saying, you're not going to get much low end power from a CAI. I would look into the Icebox if you want more low end power. It gives you a little more throttle response low in the RPM range. There's a good thread around here with a dyno. Do a search for "injen icebox dyno" and you'll find a thread by Asahi. Great thread
03-01-2006, 12:17 PM
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Oh oops! haha i though CAI and iceboxes were the same.
I was looking into a comptech icebox with a comptech RSB into my car this summer. Perhaps dropping some Aspec suspensions on there.
I was looking into a comptech icebox with a comptech RSB into my car this summer. Perhaps dropping some Aspec suspensions on there.
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03-01-2006, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
And I would say its alot more than a tiny amount.Injen vs. Stock (Asahi's):
I'd guesstimate that peak difference at about 5 torque and 3HP from about 2600 to 3200rpm until the Injen starts in with its gains.
The dynamic could even be different on my 06 with its newer, bigger TB, but I have no way of knowing unfortuantly, I wasn't able to baseline my TSX stock. (and I've now decided I hate the shop that did my last dyno and won't be going back, they've ignored me email requests for my dyno files.)
I do intend to put the Injen in SRI mode soon(ish) and report a butt dyno difference on that. I expect to feel that low end torque jump back up to normal levels but I don't know at what cost to high ends and noise.
03-01-2006, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Reach
Even by Asahi's graphs, the difference is modest, although it is there. "A lot" might be stretching it though.
I'd guesstimate that peak difference at about 5 torque and 3HP from about 2600 to 3200rpm until the Injen starts in with its gains.
I'd guesstimate that peak difference at about 5 torque and 3HP from about 2600 to 3200rpm until the Injen starts in with its gains.
The car is now far more responsive on the lower end. Dyno may only show 5 lb-ft but it feels like alot more.
03-01-2006, 03:28 PM
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well the high flow air filters that come with those aftermarket intakes WILL let more dirt into your engine compared to the stock paper element filter. in the long-long run this would trash your engine faster, but would probably not be a concern to you as the original owner. (At 200k miles you might see more ring wear.)
03-01-2006, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by lcrazyaznl
I hate that loss of low band power, but a grounding kit and voltage stablizer, did minimize that feel now.
03-01-2006, 10:36 PM
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the electrical system doesn't draw enough power, total, for you to ever notice even if the losses were close to 100%anyone who wants to disagree better have a dyno
03-01-2006, 11:18 PM
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Do those things really make that much of a difference?
03-02-2006, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JTso
I have never seen a 3rd party dyno result of this type of component that actually makes power. Until then, I group this type of components in the same category as the turbonator or ebay performance chip.
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I understand that in the Injen SRI mode, throttle response is a lot better than in the CAI mode. Does that mean there are more low end torque with SRI than CAI, or it's just merely longer for air to travel into the engine in CAI??? One thing I do know, is that in SRI, the growl is a lot louder.
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03-20-2006, 01:34 PM
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Funny that this topic would come up again, but I saw something on the Speed channel. It was a show called Tuner Transformation(?) and they got a hold of Jin's Chevy Cobalt which was stock, modded it and gave it back to him without telling him. Although I don't know much about the whole enginerring aspect of ground, I saw that they mentioned how a proper grounding kit is essential. Also note that they put a turbo on that the Cobalt; as some people say grounding is only needed when forced induction is involved.
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