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Would you be willing to pay $1K more for better MPG?
12-08-2004, 02:57 PM
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Would you be willing to pay $1K more for better MPG?
State of CA legislators claim better fuel efficiency requirements could add $1,000 more to the cost of new cars by 2016. * Would you be willing to pay this amount? Of course, mileage would go up and you would save money on the pump; but it would take time to make up the extra cost.
* http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...emissions.html
* http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...emissions.html
12-08-2004, 03:11 PM
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This is not intended to improve fuel economy, as I understand it, as much as decrease greenhouse gases and improve FE as a side effect.
I'm for it, and I think that Cali's smog regs were pioneering and resulted eventually in the 50-state emissions cars we see today.
Remember, when Ford sold airbags for $250 in the early '70's, no one would buy them. This is a valid area for regulation in a market. Living in Cali has many costs, this would be one...
I'm for it, and I think that Cali's smog regs were pioneering and resulted eventually in the 50-state emissions cars we see today.
Remember, when Ford sold airbags for $250 in the early '70's, no one would buy them. This is a valid area for regulation in a market. Living in Cali has many costs, this would be one...
I expected a major negative response.
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12-08-2004, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by domn
slo, don't worry about the 1K. All the money your saving having your dates split the check will cover it.
Yes, plus they can pick him up and drop him off too
12-08-2004, 03:52 PM
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Truth is, I suspect us TSXers wouldn't see much of a cost increase. Our cars are already very efficient and very clean. Almost clean enough to qualify for PZEV certification in California.
The cost would be borne primarily by those vehicles that are big, inefficient and dirty. I have no problems with an "average" cost increase of $1000, because I am quite confident that the "average" would be made up of bigger cost increases on the cars I don't buy, and limited increases on the cars that I do...
Remember that a $1K "average" can mean $10K on 10% of the cars and zero on the rest, or a flat $1K on every car, or lots of other permutations.
The cost would be borne primarily by those vehicles that are big, inefficient and dirty. I have no problems with an "average" cost increase of $1000, because I am quite confident that the "average" would be made up of bigger cost increases on the cars I don't buy, and limited increases on the cars that I do...
Remember that a $1K "average" can mean $10K on 10% of the cars and zero on the rest, or a flat $1K on every car, or lots of other permutations.
12-08-2004, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by VeniceBeachTSX
Truth is, I suspect us TSXers wouldn't see much of a cost increase. Our cars are already very efficient and very clean. Almost clean enough to qualify for PZEV certification in California.
The cost would be borne primarily by those vehicles that are big, inefficient and dirty. I have no problems with an "average" cost increase of $1000, because I am quite confident that the "average" would be made up of bigger cost increases on the cars I don't buy, and limited increases on the cars that I do...
Remember that a $1K "average" can mean $10K on 10% of the cars and zero on the rest, or a flat $1K on every car, or lots of other permutations.
The cost would be borne primarily by those vehicles that are big, inefficient and dirty. I have no problems with an "average" cost increase of $1000, because I am quite confident that the "average" would be made up of bigger cost increases on the cars I don't buy, and limited increases on the cars that I do...
Remember that a $1K "average" can mean $10K on 10% of the cars and zero on the rest, or a flat $1K on every car, or lots of other permutations.
12-08-2004, 04:27 PM
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I'm always in for some MPG improvement. Plus, if it means cleaner air, that is a plus-value for me.
I believe with what we've seen lately with the Direct Injection engine, the fuel efficiency still has plenty of progress to see, and I will always support that, support those who promote it, even if the early investment is not always up to par with the yield. We have to help push the constructors that way, and that will be my own contribution.
I believe with what we've seen lately with the Direct Injection engine, the fuel efficiency still has plenty of progress to see, and I will always support that, support those who promote it, even if the early investment is not always up to par with the yield. We have to help push the constructors that way, and that will be my own contribution.
12-08-2004, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by VeniceBeachTSX
Truth is, I suspect us TSXers wouldn't see much of a cost increase. Our cars are already very efficient and very clean. Almost clean enough to qualify for PZEV certification in California.
The cost would be borne primarily by those vehicles that are big, inefficient and dirty. I have no problems with an "average" cost increase of $1000, because I am quite confident that the "average" would be made up of bigger cost increases on the cars I don't buy, and limited increases on the cars that I do...
Remember that a $1K "average" can mean $10K on 10% of the cars and zero on the rest, or a flat $1K on every car, or lots of other permutations.
The cost would be borne primarily by those vehicles that are big, inefficient and dirty. I have no problems with an "average" cost increase of $1000, because I am quite confident that the "average" would be made up of bigger cost increases on the cars I don't buy, and limited increases on the cars that I do...
Remember that a $1K "average" can mean $10K on 10% of the cars and zero on the rest, or a flat $1K on every car, or lots of other permutations.
12-10-2004, 02:16 PM
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Considering that I drive about 22500 mi/yr and premium gas is currently about $2.29 per gallon, if I could increase my mileage from 28mpg to 31.4 mpg, then I would save $1000 over 5 years. So yes, it would be worth it to me to pay $1000 more if I could get at least that much improvement in mileage.
12-10-2004, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by vwong
While I like to see cars with good gas mileage, I don't know if I would pay extra $1k for it though. Why not bring the damn gas price lower instead?
More air problems equal worst health for people and animals. We cannot be short sighted and say, "Who cares about global warming? It won't affect me." because the problems are already around and affect us in many ways (i.e. higher taxes to cover increased medicals costs, or reduction in services by the State to everyone).
12-10-2004, 04:53 PM
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Think about how long you keep the car.... how much more does that extra 3 or 4 mpgs save you in the long run... I think that you'll save $2 to $3 per full fillup so in about 333 to 500 fill ups you will JUST BREAK EVEN.
If you fill up once a week or even two, it will take 5 to 10 years to break even.
If you fill up once a week or even two, it will take 5 to 10 years to break even.
12-10-2004, 04:54 PM
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Considering that I drive about 22500 mi/yr and premium gas is currently about $2.29 per gallon, if I could increase my mileage from 28mpg to 31.4 mpg, then I would save $1000 over 5 years. So yes, it would be worth it to me to pay $1000 more if I could get at least that much improvement in mileage.
12-10-2004, 05:10 PM
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2016... $1k, I will pay for it... that cost is prolly only worth $500 or less.
HOWEVER, depending on how many MPG I could get... if it's only 1~3 MPG on the highway, it's BS. But if they could make the car as good as Hybrid vehicles or 2/3 of hybrid's efficiency, this $ is cheap.
HOWEVER, depending on how many MPG I could get... if it's only 1~3 MPG on the highway, it's BS. But if they could make the car as good as Hybrid vehicles or 2/3 of hybrid's efficiency, this $ is cheap.
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