VSA and oversteer
09-30-2003, 09:43 PM
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VSA and oversteer
Well I tried a little experiment today.
The result was, VSA will correct a major liftoff oversteer. I felt the ABS brakes going and everything. Very confidence inspiring.
The result was, VSA will correct a major liftoff oversteer. I felt the ABS brakes going and everything. Very confidence inspiring.
09-30-2003, 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by TinkySD
how did the experiment work..IE what were the conditions and exactly what you did?
how did the experiment work..IE what were the conditions and exactly what you did?
25 mph commercial park road (leaving work). Dry. Semi-rough asphault.
Nice tight (90 degrees in about 50 feet) low speed left hander.
Gunned for it and at the apex, where you feel the "limit" of the car I lifted completely off the throttle. This was about 45 mph.
This caused a BIG weight shift and the back end started to come around.
The VSA kicked in with the brakes and the car felt like it "snapped" back straight again.
I had my foot just barely touching the brake when I saw the VSA light go on and felt the ABS "chatter".
You could do a similar experiment if you have access to a good sized empty parking lot. Drive around in about a 100 to 150 foot circle and get up to 8-9/10ths and no understeer. Then just lift off the throttle and maintain your steering input. The VSA should snap you back on course.
Be warned, I wouldn't try it at any higher speed due to the risk of flipping.
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I don't think I have VSA or ABS right now, so I'm not going to try this, but could someone explain what is meant by shifting the weight, and how simply lifting off the throttle induces that? Thanks...
I don't want to ever take a turn faster than 30 again... VSA or not... *shudder*
I don't want to ever take a turn faster than 30 again... VSA or not... *shudder*
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Originally posted by Yui
I don't think I have VSA or ABS right now, so I'm not going to try this, but could someone explain what is meant by shifting the weight, and how simply lifting off the throttle induces that? Thanks...
I don't want to ever take a turn faster than 30 again... VSA or not... *shudder*
I don't think I have VSA or ABS right now, so I'm not going to try this, but could someone explain what is meant by shifting the weight, and how simply lifting off the throttle induces that? Thanks...
I don't want to ever take a turn faster than 30 again... VSA or not... *shudder*
10-01-2003, 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by moda_way
...VSA starts beeping at you very loudly when the car looses control completely.
...VSA starts beeping at you very loudly when the car looses control completely.
10-01-2003, 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by Yui
I don't think I have VSA or ABS right now, so I'm not going to try this, but could someone explain what is meant by shifting the weight, and how simply lifting off the throttle induces that? Thanks...
I don't want to ever take a turn faster than 30 again... VSA or not... *shudder*
I don't think I have VSA or ABS right now, so I'm not going to try this, but could someone explain what is meant by shifting the weight, and how simply lifting off the throttle induces that? Thanks...
I don't want to ever take a turn faster than 30 again... VSA or not... *shudder*
Get that car to the shop - your safety features are disabled. have dealer diagnose & fix ASAP!
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Originally posted by Yui
...but could someone explain what is meant by shifting the weight, and how simply lifting off the throttle induces that? Thanks...
...but could someone explain what is meant by shifting the weight, and how simply lifting off the throttle induces that? Thanks...
10-01-2003, 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Lung Fu Mo Shi
Okay.
25 mph commercial park road (leaving work). Dry. Semi-rough asphault.
Nice tight (90 degrees in about 50 feet) low speed left hander.
Gunned for it and at the apex, where you feel the "limit" of the car I lifted completely off the throttle. This was about 45 mph.
This caused a BIG weight shift and the back end started to come around.....
Okay.
25 mph commercial park road (leaving work). Dry. Semi-rough asphault.
Nice tight (90 degrees in about 50 feet) low speed left hander.
Gunned for it and at the apex, where you feel the "limit" of the car I lifted completely off the throttle. This was about 45 mph.
This caused a BIG weight shift and the back end started to come around.....
10-01-2003, 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by moda_way
if you own a TSX you certainly do!! I've been in a tester TSX and done an e-brake spin in the rain. VSA starts beeping at you very loudly when the car looses control completely.
if you own a TSX you certainly do!! I've been in a tester TSX and done an e-brake spin in the rain. VSA starts beeping at you very loudly when the car looses control completely.
BEEP Your parking BEEP brake is friggin' BEEP engaged, you twit!BEEP Don't you know that you're BEEP supposed to release BEEP the brake before BEEP driving off?!
10-01-2003, 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by XPLORx4
BEEP Your parking BEEP brake is friggin' BEEP engaged, you twit!BEEP Don't you know that you're BEEP supposed to release BEEP the brake before BEEP driving off?!
BEEP Your parking BEEP brake is friggin' BEEP engaged, you twit!BEEP Don't you know that you're BEEP supposed to release BEEP the brake before BEEP driving off?!
Your BlEEPing parking brake is BlEEPing engaged, you BlEEPing twit! BlEEP Don't you BlEEPing know that you are BlEEPing supposed to release the BlEEPing brake before you BlEEPing drive off???
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Originally posted by ClutchPerformer
Are you on stock tires, still? Just curious.
Are you on stock tires, still? Just curious.
Future plans with new rims is to go with the Pirelli Nero M&S in 235/40/R18. But...I need to get the rims first and confirm fit.
10-01-2003, 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by ClutchPerformer
Excellent. What rims are you looking at? I'm planning on doing the same in the spring.
Excellent. What rims are you looking at? I'm planning on doing the same in the spring.
So I'm still exploring my options.
OR, I was thinking about some Speedlines. I haven't researched them yet, but they are about $100 cheaper per wheel.
10-02-2003, 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by Lung Fu Mo Shi
I was thinking the SSR Comps in 18x8 trim from TireRack. BUT they're $439 each
I was thinking the SSR Comps in 18x8 trim from TireRack. BUT they're $439 each
10-02-2003, 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by Yui
I don't think I have VSA or ABS right now, so I'm not going to try this, but could someone explain what is meant by shifting the weight, and how simply lifting off the throttle induces that? Thanks...
I don't want to ever take a turn faster than 30 again... VSA or not... *shudder*
I don't think I have VSA or ABS right now, so I'm not going to try this, but could someone explain what is meant by shifting the weight, and how simply lifting off the throttle induces that? Thanks...
I don't want to ever take a turn faster than 30 again... VSA or not... *shudder*
Weight shifting? Put a half full (or half empty?) cup of water in your car the next time you drive, and you'll notice the water level changes. The direction the water level rises is where the weight shifted to. Simple as that.
p/s: oh, if you're not a smooth driver, put a transparent lid on the cup might be a good idea.
10-02-2003, 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Lung Fu Mo Shi
I was thinking the SSR Comps in 18x8 trim from TireRack. BUT they're $439 each
So I'm still exploring my options.
.....
OR, I was thinking about some Speedlines. I haven't researched them yet, but they are about $100 cheaper per wheel.
I was thinking the SSR Comps in 18x8 trim from TireRack. BUT they're $439 each
So I'm still exploring my options.
.....
OR, I was thinking about some Speedlines. I haven't researched them yet, but they are about $100 cheaper per wheel.
so I feel your pain. They look soooo good, though. And Volks are always really light. Hopefully I can live frugally this winter
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