SilverJ

I am currently shopping these 3 cars...If the TSX had about 30 more HP it would be a no brainer for me but it doesnt..
What are realistic 0-60 times on these 3 cars...I dont care about the 1/4 mile...I just need a car that moves off the line quickly.

jdibella

I know I hate when people do this to me but have you done a search.

There are ALOT of threads regarding the information that your looking for.

charliemike

Ok, if the TSX had 230hp it would be a no brainer ..

However, you're comparing the 160hp Accord against the 200hp TSX and the TSX doesn't have enough hp?

Hold on for a second while I find my "WTF to Logic" converter

SilverJ

Yes I have done a search on 0-60 and I get some conflicting times. I figured some people may have some more updated information being the car is out a while. and yes I am comparing the 160hp lighter accord to the 200hp heavier tsx...also throwing in the mazda6 for good measure. I dont see whats so illogical about that...

osubuckeye98

Regardless of the 0-60 times, they should rank in this order:

6
TSX
Accord

Most of the time in daily driving having the most oomph off the line isn't going to get you anywhere faster (except the gas station). Having a good torque band across all RPMs is more important for highway merging and passing. I find that is where engine performance matters most to me.

If it's really THAT important to you off the line, get the 6s.

pending

Get the Accord V6 coupe 6-speed.

fdl

None of these cars move off the line quickly.

charliemike

Sorry man, I just find it puzzling ...

2004 Honda Accord EX with leather - 3144lbs according to Edmunds

2004 Acura TSX - 3230lbs

I assure you that 86lbs is not going to make up for 40hp less ... If you're looking for a "quick" car, look at 5-30mph, 30-50mph, and 50-70mph times ... I think those are far more accurate indicators of how we drive on the street and not 0-60mph times that car mags get ragging the shit out of a demo they get from the manufacturer.

2004 Mazda 6s - 3241lbs and 220hp ... Likely this is going to be the quickest of the three cars, but given anywhere near equal money I'd get the Acura every time.

If you're looking at an Accord 4-cyl then you might look at a Mazda 3s ... 2900lbs and 160hp ... It will be about a second faster to 60mph than the Accord.

Saintor_RENAMED

I beg to differ.

For me, it would be a no brainer if the TSX could be had with the Accord 162HP engine and clothing interior for 3500$ less. 23500$ would look like the right price. Neither am I interested by 17" (and their high costs of replacement) and Bi-Xenon lights.

I HATE the idea of paying so much for 38 ponies that I will never see unless rev 5500+ rpm and also running continuously on Premium to get them. I also HATE the idea of paying 300$ for side-mouldings standard on an Accord DX.

I have driven a few Mazda6 and its interior remains each time a major turn-off. Also you can't keep asking yourself where are these announced 220HP. It does not feel strong.

The Accord is the best overall on paper (for me at least) except that I can't stand its front nose, a forte of Accord's previous generations.

So for me, it would be this ranking;
- TSX (after a good gulp to swallow this price and associated nonsenses.);
- Mazda6 V6 (in leather the interior is less hurting)
- Accord EX 4 cyl.

TSriX

Don't even concern yourself with 0-60 times. Are you planning to race from each stop you make?

Concern yourself with cost, reliability, driving feel (my TSX feels sporty to me) and interior/exterior looks.

I went with the TSX over the 6 because it felt good sitting in and driving it and my materialistic side wanted to be in an upscale brand.

tsXgtp

The tsx isn't to be bought as a quick car. If you want a quick car, you'll have to drop all three of your choices b\c they are very similar. You will drive yourself crazy with 0-60 numbers. Im coming from a low 14sec grand prix and I think the tsx has nice power. The torque line helps a lot. I was close to getting the TL or the G35 but I couldn't justify the performance for the price and IMO the tsx was a nicer car.

dnl2ba

The TSX has enough power for fun daily driving, but it's not an off-the-line launcher. An Accord V6 would be cheaper and quicker.

A Mazda6s would be quick and cheap, but when I say "cheap," I don't just mean "inexpensive." The interior looks like crap compared to that in an Accord or TSX. The Mazda interiors don't start looking hot until the RX-8, IMO. But if the speed is what matters to you, the 6s wins out of the cars you're looking at.

kiteboy

You can't compare 0-60 times from various sources. Environmental conditions, the launch technique, break-in state of the engine and track surface are some of the many variables that will change the results. If you've done your research, you'll see even the TSX by itself has more than a 1 sec. spread in 0-60 tests. The only time you could compare is if the cars were tested on same day by the same person at the same track. But even then, it's subject to the particular car they are testing.

The cars you are comparing are similar enough in performance that the variation in reported times are probably similar to the actual performance differences.

As some have posted above, none of these can be considered fast cars. Drive each and determine if there is enough acceleration for your needs.

btw, if you not going to keep the car for 10+ yrs, consider depreciation. As mentioned on the Mazda3 thread, after 5 years the Mazda is worth about 26% and Honda about 40%. That's thousands of dollars difference. The Mz6 is probably much more expensive to own based on those numbers.

kiteboy

Vanity vs. practicality - always a tough choice.

btw, I checked with my dealer last week and the TSX side moldings aren't available in Canada yet.

gfxdave99

When it comes down to it, unless you plan on taking it to the track, or you want to do illigal street racing who really cares what the 0-60 is. What is important is how you feel in the car and how the car feels to you.

modernracer.com quotes a 6.9 0-60 for the mazda 6s and a 7.0 for the TSX. The 4 banger accord is going to be more in the 9s because the v6 is in the mid sixes...

So the thing is, put on a nice shirt, look respectable and go test drive all the cars you are talking about.

I went to the auto show last week and sat in every car i was thinking about and the car that I felt the most comfortable in was the TSX, I went to the dealer, took a drive in it, said.. yep this is the car for me and owned it by thursday.

The only big ding on the TSX is if you plan to mod the car, the engine in the TSX is massaged pretty well allready, all the mods i have seen (header/intake/catback etc) have only managed to harbor a 5-6 hp increase. If you want to mod, i'd say go with a civic where you have more go fast parts then you can shake a stick at.

Saintor_RENAMED

The TSX is really not that different from the Accord 4 cyl. Car&Driver clocked it in 7.5s, pretty much the same as the TSX. Don't forget that the TSX is slightly heavier than the Accord.

MoMocedes

Im sorry I test drove the Mazda 6s fully loaded but didnt seem as appealing to me as the TSX, I dont have one YET but I'm still doing my research and so far the TSX is keeping up so test drive the TSX and sit in it for 30 mins and I promise you will understand what all these TSX owners are talking about it. Power isnt always everything, I mean its not like your on the track the TSX is for cruisin not racing athough it is sport tuned with its sexy i-vtec 2.4 200hp engine but seriously look into prestige of owning a car not just the amount of force it pushes you into your seat.
-Im out

xizor

C&D did 7.2, and if I remember some owners here beat that easily

gfxdave99

Accord 4cyl 3144 lbs for an EX with 160hp at 5500
TSX 4cyl 3230 200hp at 6800 rpm

70 pounds vs 40 horsies?

Got this from consumer guide

"The 4-cyl models are peppy enough with manual transmission: Test EX coupe did 7.9 sec 0-60 mph. With automatic, 4-cyl Accords feel a little labored up long grades or in urgent freeway passing sprints; Test EX-L coupe did 8.6 sec 0-60. The 5-speed automatic lacks a manual shift gate, but is smooth and responsive, despite occasional hesitant downshifts. V6 is energetic: test automatic-transmission coupe did 7.0 sec 0-60. V6 feels even stronger with the 6-speed manual."

What strikes me as odd is "Only manual-transmission TSX made available for test so far. Test example did 7.9 sec 0-60 mph. Modest power below 3000 rpm, so brisk highway passing or merging requires attention to gear selection. Delights with light, precise shift/clutch action."

Something tells me this bitches cant drive

TinkySD

Slightly OT but gfxdave you should check out the dynos in the performance section. Jabba dyno'd a before and after with an injen intake, 12hp peak gain and 10lbft @ 4500 rpms. Pretty solid.

BlackTSXer

an injen intake alone gave it a 12 hp and 10 lb boost??

dnl2ba

It's the only performance mod so far that seems to give good bang-for-buck.

xizor

has anyone done headers? dyno'd them?

gilboman

if you want prestige, there are none to be found in any of the cars in the title of this thread. prestige=$$$ and all the cars in the thread are "thrifty"

KJLite

my 2 cents:

b4 i bought my tsx, a car i love to death. the 3 other cars i was considering were, mazda 6s with 5 spd, accord coupe v6 6 spd, and 4-banger with 5 spd. i test drove every car except the 4-banger manual. i went to about 5-6 dealers, and nobody had an accord manual, not even a sedan.

the mazda 6s is fast, but at the time i was looking to buy, i couldn't find a manual with the sport package, plus the interior is not as nice as acura, plus you don't get white glove service at mazda, like acura

the accord coupe is the fastest by far, but they are in such short production, the dealers would not budge on their price, one gave me an estimate of $500/mo lease for 48 mo, thats like paying for the whole car in 4 years, and having to give it back after lease.

i never got to drive the 4 banger accord, but a coupe is less practical for me.

when i got to the acura dealership, they just gave me an incedible deal on the car, so it was a no brainer.

if your talking autos, then its a whole nother ball game, i can't comment on that. but i have more than 20K miles on my car now, and it is fully broken in, and it moves like a bat out of hell. it pulls stong in any gear, plus close to 30 mpg on highway, plus all other nice standard features. i have estimated 0-60 in about 6.5-7.0 sec for manual on good pavement. with better tires, i bet it could run low 6s. if i turn off traction control, it burns right through 1st gear, and thats only with a dump of 2500-3000 rpms.

if you can't drive manual, learn, i drive 100 miles a day, 6 days a wk, and i 've never once regretted getting a stick.

i am now stepping down from podium. Proceed.

slats

I've driven many accords, and let me say that the 04 Accord I-4 with the 5-speed is very nice! I was surprised how quick it felt. Here are the advantages over the TSX:
1. Less hp but basically just as fast
2. Uses regular gas and gets better milage
3. Costs a few grand less and you get way nicer OEM wheels and more REAL leather inside

As for the 6 -- what can I say? It's no Honda, so no use comparing!!

Slats

TinkySD

10lbft of torque

TinkySD

quarter mile times are usually more indicative of "sportiness" than 0-60 in terms of passing power; and the tsx does have a very decisive advantage there. If you factor in gearing along with the engine outputs of the two cars the tsx has much better effective power to weight in first gear because it is such a short gear. The problem is getting that power to the pavement effectively. The 17" weels are also a big culprit to the tsx getting off the line quickly. The moment of inertia is huge comparied to the ones on the accord. With some accord rims you will also see big gains.