Tl - Tsx = $6,160
Prices are for TL/TSX with Navi from Acura.com: MSRP + $545 Dest. Charge (anybody else notice the $45 increase in dest. charge...):
TL: $35,195 TSX: $29,035 Difference of over $6K. WOW! :eek: Before official pricing came out, I was guessing maybe a $4k to $5k difference. If you include the fact you can get a TSX for about $500+ off MSRP and the less taxes, we're talking an easy $7,000 difference. Now, I don't feel bad at all, for NOT waiting for the TL, that's a whole'lotta cash! But hey, if you got the cash for the TL, I'd probably buy one too. Like the TSX, the TL's gonna be the best value, if not simply the best vehicle, in it's class. Acura is on a ROLL!!! :nod: |
Interesting.
If the prices were reversed, I'd still get the TSX. Call me crazy? No good, about a thousand people already beat you to it. :D |
I know what you mean, larchmont. I saw the TL last night for the first time. I was expecting to be impressed, but I just kept comparing it to my TSX. Sure it has some more features, but I like the overall package of my TSX better.
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The TL's looks are growing on me and the acceleration numbers, etc, look terrific. However, I don't need the additional speed and am totally satisfied with the stock handling capabilities and feel of the TSX. Plus, the engine is incredibly smooth for a 4. I have a slightly bigger version of Honda's V-6 in the MDX - it has moxy, no doubt but you have to believe me when I say the TSX engine is quieter and feels smoother. Very satisfying...
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I don't know... If I was in the market for a 6 cylinder, maybe I'd consider the TL. 6-speed, 260hp. I'd give it more than a second thought.
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If I didn't have my 9-3, it would be the TL by a long-shot. All the features that the TSX doesn't have, a more powerful engine, and it's smaller than the "over bloated" Maxima. Of course, we're talking two different ride/driving experiences, but the raw power of the TL would make up for the lack of "twisty" experience that the "smaller" sedans offer.
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Originally posted by 93Kewl If I didn't have my 9-3, it would be the TL by a long-shot. All the features that the TSX doesn't have, a more powerful engine, and it's smaller than the "over bloated" Maxima. Of course, we're talking two different ride/driving experiences, but the raw power of the TL would make up for the lack of "twisty" experience that the "smaller" sedans offer. |
Originally posted by Jason What'd you pay for the 9-3? |
Originally posted by domn He got 0% financing over 108 months and 34,000 in dealer incentives. He only had to pay for his first tank of gas and rust proofing. :D Come on domn, I was serious. If this turns into another TSX v. 9-3 thread it gets locked. |
Originally posted by Jason Bahahahaha. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Come on domn, I was serious. If this turns into another TSX v. 9-3 thread it gets locked. I think the consensus in the old 9-3 vs TSX thread was that the 9-3 after all the discounts was about 2k more than the TSX. I wish Acura was giving 4K incentives. |
Domn,
That's pretty funny! Too bad it's not true! :rolleyes: But seriously, I got my 9-3 fully loaded Vector for 32.5K. I received a 4K cash back incentive. Great deal. I could have went even cheaper with an Arc but the Vectors sport seats are some of the best ever (even better than my CL-S) and I liked the more aggressive look of the Vectors' exterior trim. |
Back to the original topic of the thread-
Interesting how much the TL is going to cost in the states, and how little it will cost here. If the information we have is true ($40,800 CDN) for the base TL (no navi, no bluetooth, no XM sattelite) then, according to XE.net's currency conversion, the TL in Canada is going to cost $30,666.66 USD (based on echange rates at 10:56am on October 7th, 2003) Honda is giving Canada an AMAZING deal if this is so. J. |
Originally posted by 93Kewl Domn, That's pretty funny! Too bad it's not true! :rolleyes: But seriously, I got my 9-3 fully loaded Vector for 32.5K. I received a 4K cash back incentive. Great deal. I could have went even cheaper with an Arc but the Vectors sport seats are some of the best ever (even better than my CL-S) and I liked the more aggressive look of the Vectors' exterior trim. |
Originally posted by Jason Bahahahaha. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Come on domn, I was serious. If this turns into another TSX v. 9-3 thread it gets locked. I haven't checked today, but my "best guess" is that the 9-3 is still priced "somewhat" higher than a Honda TSX is, without all the games. Of course I could be wrong.... |
Yes, the 32K was before taxes.
Still a great deal for all that the Vector offers. You gotta figgure that a fully loaded TL (auto tranny) would offer just about the same features (except the obvious difference in engine size/power) for around $35-36K with absolutely no room for negotiations. So I would think 38K would have gotten me out the door with a car that had a much "features" as my Vector. Yes, it's alot of cash. But sometimes you need to spend some money to get the "finer" things in life. Just like how the Civic drivers (for example) feel about plunking down 26-28K for a TSX. |
Originally posted by 93Kewl Yes, the 32K was before taxes. Still a great deal for all that the Vector offers. You gotta figgure that a fully loaded TL (auto tranny) would offer just about the same features (except the obvious difference in engine size/power) for around $35-36K with absolutely no room for negotiations. So I would think 38K would have gotten me out the door with a car that had a much "features" as my Vector. Yes, it's alot of cash. But sometimes you need to spend some money to get the "finer" things in life. Just like how the Civic drivers (for example) feel about plunking down 26-28K for a TSX. 1. The TL is $33,195. The last I checked you can't get a navigation system in the 9-3 so the price of "$35-36K with absolutely no roon for negotiations" is irrelevant. 2. As well optioned as the Vector is, and it is very nicely equipped, your 2003 9-3 DOES NOT have the same features as a 2004 TL. More power, bluetooth, 5.1 sound, XM radio (2004 may have this available but 2003 did not), etc. 3. I'm not a Civic driver, I was a CL-S driver. That's a shitty comment from a "Cavalier" driver such as yourself. Not nice. |
Originally posted by 93Kewl Yes, it's alot of cash. But sometimes you need to spend some money to get the "finer" things in life. Just like how the Civic drivers (for example) feel about plunking down 26-28K for a TSX. Kewl's comments regarding the TSX get even harsher over at VWVortex as well. |
Originally posted by bob shiftright Dunno, but if you want an approximation of the 9-3 "street price" try carsdirect.com, get their quote and then subtract $500 (approximately Cars Direct's "pound of flesh"). Othewise, because of the extremely variable dealer incentives and different classes of GM customers (GM employee? GM supplier? GM retiree? GM credit card?) and financing, getting GM pricing is like getting a quote for a used camel in Baghdad. I haven't checked today, but my "best guess" is that the 9-3 is still priced "somewhat" higher than a Honda TSX is, without all the games. Of course I could be wrong.... As far as the pricing of the 93, it really depends on the trim you get. Since there are more choices for the 93, it ranges from being a couple grand cheaper than the tsx to a couple grand more expensive. Kewl's car, which he got for 32.5k, has many more features than a tsx (like power passenger seat, memory driver seat, trip computer, rear parking assist, etc.), so it's not an apples to apples comparison. If you put together a comparably equipped 93 linear, it comes out to about the same as the tsx (maybe a little above or a little below, depending on your negotiating skills). Not trying to start a flame war at all or anything...just pointing out the facts. Also, these prices were for '03s. I haven't checked in a while, but last time I heard, the '04s don't have the rebates, so if that's the case, the real world cost of them probably is significantly higher. Finally, given Acuras same price scheme for the MT and the AT, the relative value of the car to me really depends on the transmission you got. In my opinion, Acura really pulled the rug over the eyes of the MT drivers. An auto tranny is usually around a $1000 option. To charge the same and not offer anything else (like better tires, an lsd, etc.), really makes the AT a significantly better value than the MT (and since I will not buy a new car with an AT, this was a big deal to me). To keep this on topic and not get the thread locked, I agree that the delta between the tsx and the tl is a bit too much. I think they did a very nice job with the tl, but it's just not enough to warrant over a 20% price increase. But, I think that msrp is just a marketing thing anyways, and you will see the market take over after the initial "enthusiast" demand dies out, and given the much higher volume Acura plans for the TL, you will see it go for quite a bit more under msrp than the tsx does. I'm guessing when it all pans out, you'll be able to get the TL for about $4500 - $5000 more than the tsx. |
Originally posted by wishiwere Kewl's car, which he got for 32.5k, has many more features than a tsx (like power passenger seat, memory driver seat, trip computer, rear parking assist, etc.), so it's not an apples to apples comparison. If you put together a comparably equipped 93 linear, it comes out to about the same as the tsx (maybe a little above or a little below, depending on your negotiating skills). Not trying to start a flame war at all or anything...just pointing out the facts. |
Originally posted by larchmont Interesting. If the prices were reversed, I'd still get the TSX. Is the new TL the same size as the US Accord? |
You guys are much too sensitive and take things WAY out of context. Outrageous!
What I meant is that people who drive "less" expensive cars (yes, I was one of them at one time) aspire some day drive cars with more features, options, and performance. MOST OF THE TIME THIS MEANS SPENDING MORE MONEY. If you're coming from the likes of a Civic, Grand AM, Neon, whatever, you are going to need to spend more money to get a finer car like the TSX. Is this not true? For those of you coming from a "more expensive" car, look at it this way...you paid more money for that car for some reason or another. Whether it be a 260HP engine loaded to the gills with features (ala. TL/CL) or a more luxurious ride, whatever. Let's call a spade a spade and understand that the TSX while providing a very "sporting" and "exhilerating" ride to some, does leave off some options (which are not even available) to get it's price down to the level which Acura wanted to place it. So, I should feel insecure because I paid 32,5 for a car when a Porsche owner says "you need to spend money for the finer things in life?" Come on guys, I know you have tougher skin than that. :rolleyes: |
Originally posted by wishiwere .....I agree that the delta between the tsx and the tl is a bit too much. I think they did a very nice job with the tl, but it's just not enough to warrant over a 20% price increase. But, I think that msrp is just a marketing thing anyways, and you will see the market take over after the initial "enthusiast" demand dies out, and given the much higher volume Acura plans for the TL, you will see it go for quite a bit more under msrp than the tsx does. I'm guessing when it all pans out, you'll be able to get the TL for about $4500 - $5000 more than the tsx. |
Originally posted by Brad Me too. The reason that I like the TSX is that it is a bit smaller, but not too small. Is the new TL the same size as the US Accord? P.S. That's about the Accord sedan. Coupe is smaller, but still bigger than the TL. |
Originally posted by 93Kewl What I meant is that people who drive "less" expensive cars (yes, I was one of them at one time) aspire some day drive cars with more features, options, and performance. MOST OF THE TIME THIS MEANS SPENDING MORE MONEY. If you're coming from the likes of a Civic, Grand AM, Neon, whatever, you are going to need to spend more money to get a finer car like the TSX. Is this not true? |
Kewl's comments regarding the TSX get even harsher over at VWVortex as well Now it looks like you're instigating. Please do not spread false information. :nono: |
Suggestion, I think: Try hard not to be saying stuff about the Saab 9-3, beyond a certain point, on threads that aren't about the 9-3.
Nothing personal, Kewl, and I know I've gotten a lot out of the 9-3 stuff, but as Jason said, we're risking everything becoming a Saab debate. So, can we let the 9-3 stuff go from this thread? |
In Canada the difference in prices is only about 13% (assuming the figures posted here are correct). Go figure that one out :dunno:
So you yanks can come up here and buy a new tl for about 30k, even with your sinking dollar. If the USD dollar was still at the level it was a year or so ago it would ony cost you just over 27k! |
But you do need to get your facts right on the TL. To stay on topic about the TL, whether the car is 32k or 37K fully loaded, based on features (performance or otherwise) on what it offers, is definately worth IMHO the extra 6K over a TSX. If your driving preference is more toward what the TSX offers than that 6K would obviously not worth it. Oh btw, I really like what Acura is doing with the TL - keeping is "smaller" and sporty looking. I am glad they did not go the way Nissan did with the Maxima - making that car an overbloated monster. I could definately see a TL as nice supplement to my 9-3 - if I only had the garage space! :D |
Originally posted by 93Kewl To stay on topic about the TL, whether the car is 32k or 37K fully loaded, based on features (performance or otherwise) on what it offers, is definately worth IMHO the extra 6K over a TSX. If your driving preference is more toward what the TSX offers than that 6K would obviously not worth it. |
Originally posted by 93Kewl .....I really like what Acura is doing with the TL - keeping is "smaller" and sporty looking. I am glad they did not go the way Nissan did with the Maxima - making that car an overbloated monster. I could definately see a TL as nice supplement to my 9-3 - if I only had the garage space! :D So.....will this be the case with the TL and the TSX? I think the differences are fairly clearly drawn and that the cars will be seen as having distinct "personalities." And in any event I don't think it'll be a "problem" because both cars are good enough to be successful. But there may well be an issue of HOW MUCH of a difference people feel there is, and it might not be enough of a difference to support a large price differential. |
Originally posted by 93Kewl Really? That's interesting. I made two posts on the Vortex (the only two I ever posted) - one posting that I voted for the 9-3 by a long-shot, the other thanking someone for the complements on the pics I posted. Now it looks like you're instigating. Please do not spread false information. :nono: Ok, maybe I should'nt have said harsher, but the reason I made that comment is simple. When you initially bought your 9-3 you made it seem like it was a toss up between the TSX and 9-3. Now its 9-3 by a long-shot? Its seems to me anyway that you don't think as highly of the TSX as I thought. And thats fine as everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I think your trying to hide your true opinion. I'm sorry if I've completly mis-read your stance. |
Originally posted by Jason ......The TL will be like a TSX+...... BTW -- If I was Honda/Acura, I'd have called it the TLX -- or, is "TX" taken? Although I don't know if Texas would have appreciated it. |
Originally posted by domn "My vote goes by a long-shot for the 9-3 (especially in Vector/Aero trim)." Ok, maybe I should'nt have said harsher, but the reason I made that comment is simple. When you initially bought your 9-3 you made it seem like it was a toss up between the TSX and 9-3. Now its 9-3 by a long-shot? Its seems to me anyway that you don't think as highly of the TSX as I thought. And thats fine as everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I think your trying to hide your true opinion. I'm sorry if I've completly mis-read your stance. |
Originally posted by larchmont That's what I meant too. BTW -- If I was Honda/Acura, I'd have called it the TLX -- or, is "TX" taken? Although I don't know if Texas would have appreciated it. |
Originally posted by larchmont Maybe, we'll just have to see. After just seeing the TL, but before driving it, this is basically what I guessed would be the case. I said it was shocking how close and similar the TL seems to the TSX, and I said that I expected that most of the public will see the cars are really similar and close, they might even view them basically as different trim levels of the same car. The price difference stated by Wish sounds about right (and FWIW the prices of different trim levels often do differ by that much), but I wouldn't be surprised if it winds up being less. |
Speaking to wishiwere's point, does anyone know what a JDM/Euro Accord goes for in US Dollars? Maybe Honda is getting a nice premium on the TSX relative to that car to make up for any currency/efficiency issues.
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Originally posted by wishiwere ......I don't see how Honda can keep making the tsx in Japan, unless it really is interested in just making it a low production "niche" car and not a true money maker for the company, because otherwise it is gong to hit a point where for not much more, you can get the TL, and that will kill the tsx sales in my opinion. |
Originally posted by fdl In Canada the difference in prices is only about 13% (assuming the figures posted here are correct). Go figure that one out :dunno: So you yanks can come up here and buy a new tl for about 30k, even with your sinking dollar. If the USD dollar was still at the level it was a year or so ago it would ony cost you just over 27k! (Gee, do we see a parallel between car pricing and prescription drug pricing in the two countries? A big rip off for the American consumer is what we are seeing.) Now, some US dealers are refusing to perform warranty work if you bought your car in Canada. |
Originally posted by larchmont Not if the TSX is seen as more outstanding for what it is than the TL is for what it is -- which I think will be the case. You may see the TSX winning all kinds of recognition that the TL won't (including but not just awards). |
Originally posted by wishiwere The average person out there, if shown the tsx and the tl, and the feature content in each, and the engines in each, will prefer the tl if it costs only a little more...That's why, as far as the bottom line goes, I see the TL really pinching off the tsx's sales, if the tsx is continued to be produced in such comparatively low numbers and imported across the seas while the TL is made in-house. |
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