Price of Audi A4 1.8T vs TSX
08-20-2003, 11:12 PM
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ive never seen a forum for any car were everyone thinks there car is the best ever lol.
I'm a VWVortexer as well, and I can't ever recall a post where a bunch of haters jump on the board and make inflamatory posts like this one. I mean, NO one jumps on bmwboard.com and says "I think the a4 is better all around you should go for it." Conversely, no one goes on Vortex and talks crap about Audi.
What the hell do you expect people to say? Don't you feel a bit out of place with your rhetoric? Damn!
08-20-2003, 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by fdl
gilbo...i agree with alot of things you say...and up to now i respected your opinion. But taking sides with the idiot ultra troll adam just dropped you way way way down in my books. :shakehd: :shakehd: :thumbsdn:
gilbo...i agree with alot of things you say...and up to now i respected your opinion. But taking sides with the idiot ultra troll adam just dropped you way way way down in my books. :shakehd: :shakehd: :thumbsdn:
08-21-2003, 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by Iceman
Exterior styling -- A4 10 TSX 9
Interior styling -- A4 10 TSX 10
Usable back seat -- A4 5 TSX 8
Manual tranny -- A4 7 TSX 10
Engine -- A4 10 TSX 10
Price (comparably equipped) A4 7 TSX 10
Handling A4 8 TSX 10
Reliability A4 5 TSX 10
Total A4 60
TSX 77
Exterior styling -- A4 10 TSX 9
Interior styling -- A4 10 TSX 10
Usable back seat -- A4 5 TSX 8
Manual tranny -- A4 7 TSX 10
Engine -- A4 10 TSX 10
Price (comparably equipped) A4 7 TSX 10
Handling A4 8 TSX 10
Reliability A4 5 TSX 10
Total A4 60
TSX 77
At the end i think the score will be much closer but the TSX i think will still lead by just a little. I guess it depends on what is important to that individual and make your own comparison.
08-21-2003, 12:45 AM
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i agree with him that there is a higher proportion of fanboys on this site than others. I dont even know other stuff he has posted, i agree with him on that single point.
i agree with him that there is a higher proportion of fanboys on this site than others. I dont even know other stuff he has posted, i agree with him on that single point.
08-21-2003, 12:46 AM
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I also considered an A4 before I decided on the TSX. I dropped the A4 off my list due to something a dealer told me. I was looking at the A4 and Volvo S60, was out of town, and stopped at a dealer that sold both. I told them I was from out of town and not a serious customer for them. The salesman went on and on about the Volvo. I pointed out that he hadn't said anything about the Audi. His statement was "It's a great car and you'll love it as long as it is under warranty." He went on to explain it is very expensive to get it worked on and they are not the most reliable cars. Adding that to some of the other reliability information out there, I decided I didn't want to deal with the potential problems.
By the way, at that point the A4 was my first choice, I am an Audi fan, and have owned one in the past.
By the way, at that point the A4 was my first choice, I am an Audi fan, and have owned one in the past.
08-21-2003, 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by sponge
I also considered an A4 before I decided on the TSX. I dropped the A4 off my list due to something a dealer told me. I was looking at the A4 and Volvo S60, was out of town, and stopped at a dealer that sold both. I told them I was from out of town and not a serious customer for them. The salesman went on and on about the Volvo. I pointed out that he hadn't said anything about the Audi. His statement was "It's a great car and you'll love it as long as it is under warranty." He went on to explain it is very expensive to get it worked on and they are not the most reliable cars. Adding that to some of the other reliability information out there, I decided I didn't want to deal with the potential problems.
By the way, at that point the A4 was my first choice, I am an Audi fan, and have owned one in the past.
I also considered an A4 before I decided on the TSX. I dropped the A4 off my list due to something a dealer told me. I was looking at the A4 and Volvo S60, was out of town, and stopped at a dealer that sold both. I told them I was from out of town and not a serious customer for them. The salesman went on and on about the Volvo. I pointed out that he hadn't said anything about the Audi. His statement was "It's a great car and you'll love it as long as it is under warranty." He went on to explain it is very expensive to get it worked on and they are not the most reliable cars. Adding that to some of the other reliability information out there, I decided I didn't want to deal with the potential problems.
By the way, at that point the A4 was my first choice, I am an Audi fan, and have owned one in the past.
Anyway, welcome, sponge!
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Originally posted by sponge
By the way, at that point the A4 was my first choice, I am an Audi fan, and have owned one in the past.
By the way, at that point the A4 was my first choice, I am an Audi fan, and have owned one in the past.
08-21-2003, 01:38 AM
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It sounds like you are in the exact same situation as I was when I bought my TSX. I had it narrowed down between that and the Audi A4. I test drove both, and it immediately became apparent to me that the Tsx would be a much better car, at least for me. Aesthetically, the TSX is a much nicer vehicle than the Audi, especially if you want a sportier-looking car. The interior of the Audi was very dissapointing as well. It was fairly simple, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it really had no features and was not reflective of its price tag. I also found that the Audi was not as "peppy" as the TSX, and I didn't feel it was very powerful. Also, like one of the other members posted above, many different people have said that Audi's are not reliable at all. Of course my comments are obviously biased, but the TSX will definitely not dissapoint you!! Good luck with the car shopping!
08-21-2003, 02:14 AM
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Exterior styling -- A4 10 TSX 9
Interior styling -- A4 10 TSX 10
Usable back seat -- A4 5 TSX 8
Manual tranny -- A4 7 TSX 7
Engine -- A4 7 TSX 6
Price (comparably equipped) A4 7 TSX 8
Handling A4 20 TSX 7
Reliability A4 5 TSX 10
Interior styling -- A4 10 TSX 10
Usable back seat -- A4 5 TSX 8
Manual tranny -- A4 7 TSX 7
Engine -- A4 7 TSX 6
Price (comparably equipped) A4 7 TSX 8
Handling A4 20 TSX 7
Reliability A4 5 TSX 10
08-21-2003, 02:22 AM
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Originally posted by lushious000
It sounds like you are in the exact same situation as I was when I bought my TSX. I had it narrowed down between that and the Audi A4. I test drove both, and it immediately became apparent to me that the Tsx would be a much better car, at least for me......Of course my comments are obviously biased, but the TSX will definitely not dissapoint you!! Good luck with the car shopping!
It sounds like you are in the exact same situation as I was when I bought my TSX. I had it narrowed down between that and the Audi A4. I test drove both, and it immediately became apparent to me that the Tsx would be a much better car, at least for me......Of course my comments are obviously biased, but the TSX will definitely not dissapoint you!! Good luck with the car shopping!
Even a lot of the people on here give the edge to the Audi in some areas, but obviously most of us would tend to agree with you overall.
I personally think you made a great decision -- but of course I'm biased!
08-21-2003, 02:22 AM
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Originally posted by adam fiooz
Exterior styling -- A4 10 TSX 9
Interior styling -- A4 10 TSX 10
Usable back seat -- A4 5 TSX 8
Manual tranny -- A4 7 TSX 7
Engine -- A4 7 TSX 6
Price (comparably equipped) A4 7 TSX 8
Handling A4 20 TSX 7
Reliability A4 5 TSX 10
Exterior styling -- A4 10 TSX 9
Interior styling -- A4 10 TSX 10
Usable back seat -- A4 5 TSX 8
Manual tranny -- A4 7 TSX 7
Engine -- A4 7 TSX 6
Price (comparably equipped) A4 7 TSX 8
Handling A4 20 TSX 7
Reliability A4 5 TSX 10
08-21-2003, 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by larchmont
Welcome, lush! It doesn't sound much to me like you're biased -- sounds more like you compared, and you found all the differences going in one direction.
Even a lot of the people on here give the edge to the Audi in some areas, but obviously most of us would tend to agree with you overall.
I personally think you made a great decision -- but of course I'm biased!
Welcome, lush! It doesn't sound much to me like you're biased -- sounds more like you compared, and you found all the differences going in one direction.
Even a lot of the people on here give the edge to the Audi in some areas, but obviously most of us would tend to agree with you overall.
I personally think you made a great decision -- but of course I'm biased!
08-21-2003, 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by darth62
I'm sorry, I'm with Adam on this one. Tommorow, I'm going to sell my TSX and buy a Honda Accord. I like cars that look a camel with wheels and the rear end of the TSX is just to damn sleek for my tastes.
I'm sorry, I'm with Adam on this one. Tommorow, I'm going to sell my TSX and buy a Honda Accord. I like cars that look a camel with wheels and the rear end of the TSX is just to damn sleek for my tastes.
08-21-2003, 10:15 AM
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"with no distinctive styling and bland that it can be mistaken for pretty much any car on the road " Not by me. Not be people on this board. Not by a lot of other people (though they may not know what it is).
Another line of crap. It's all so subjective - my fiancee knows nothing about cars and could care less about them as long as they go from A to B. She can't tell a Honda Accord from a BMW - this goes for a lot of other people, too, in my experience. Only SOME people care enough about cars to be able to recognize different models, let alone years of a same model; the general level of difference is: sedan, convertible, truck, minivan, hatchback, etc.
Another line of crap. It's all so subjective - my fiancee knows nothing about cars and could care less about them as long as they go from A to B. She can't tell a Honda Accord from a BMW - this goes for a lot of other people, too, in my experience. Only SOME people care enough about cars to be able to recognize different models, let alone years of a same model; the general level of difference is: sedan, convertible, truck, minivan, hatchback, etc.
08-21-2003, 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by gilboman
atleast you're trading in a car with no distinctive styling and bland that it can be mistaken for pretty much any car on the road for one that can not be mistaken for anything else other than an accord
atleast you're trading in a car with no distinctive styling and bland that it can be mistaken for pretty much any car on the road for one that can not be mistaken for anything else other than an accord
08-21-2003, 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by vitocorleone
"with no distinctive styling and bland that it can be mistaken for pretty much any car on the road " Not by me. Not be people on this board. Not by a lot of other people (though they may not know what it is).
Another line of crap. It's all so subjective....
"with no distinctive styling and bland that it can be mistaken for pretty much any car on the road " Not by me. Not be people on this board. Not by a lot of other people (though they may not know what it is).
Another line of crap. It's all so subjective....
I think he was sort of kidding, a slight bit anyway.
08-21-2003, 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by larchmont
This is funny, Vito, because I think gilbo was doing kind of what you were doing the other day with that post where some people didn't get that you were kidding. But I don't know, maybe you're right -- I mean, I must admit it's hard to imagine gilbo actually sort of being on our side!
I think he was sort of kidding, a slight bit anyway.
This is funny, Vito, because I think gilbo was doing kind of what you were doing the other day with that post where some people didn't get that you were kidding. But I don't know, maybe you're right -- I mean, I must admit it's hard to imagine gilbo actually sort of being on our side!
I think he was sort of kidding, a slight bit anyway.
but its actually to point out that all the car mags have liked the TSX handles and value..but all have called it bland
08-21-2003, 02:09 PM
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It would be so great if gilbo and adam hooked up 
and spawned little tiny trolls that typed with their knuckles.
They could sit around in the evenings and spew
on each other instead of on this forum.
and spawned little tiny trolls that typed with their knuckles. They could sit around in the evenings and spew
on each other instead of on this forum.
08-21-2003, 02:46 PM
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Such a lovely thread...and no body even asked for my .02 on this topic since I work for both Audi and Acura. Oh well I guess i will just have to keep the comments to myself
The TSX is not bland...funny thing is the G35 sedan is already starting to look old to me.
The TSX is not bland...funny thing is the G35 sedan is already starting to look old to me.
08-21-2003, 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by justinjsw
Such a lovely thread...and no body even asked for my .02 on this topic since I work for both Audi and Acura. Oh well I guess i will just have to keep the comments to myself
The TSX is not bland...funny thing is the G35 sedan is already starting to look old to me.
Such a lovely thread...and no body even asked for my .02 on this topic since I work for both Audi and Acura. Oh well I guess i will just have to keep the comments to myself
The TSX is not bland...funny thing is the G35 sedan is already starting to look old to me.
08-21-2003, 03:22 PM
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the G35 sedan is ugly IMO..but it has guts and performance that outweight its ho hum exterior and somewhat low quality interior...a dab on the throttle and a lot can be forgiven about its looks....the G35 coupe is gorgeous though
the G35 sedan is ugly IMO..but it has guts and performance that outweight its ho hum exterior and somewhat low quality interior...a dab on the throttle and a lot can be forgiven about its looks....the G35 coupe is gorgeous though
08-21-2003, 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by finalheaven
There are several things wrong with this. #1 it is purely of course this is all subjective. Exterior styling i would give the tsx a 7. Usable back seat? was that added just to tilt the score a little more? And if manual tranny why not automatic? Isn't the auto in the TSX much better? CVT? Price - The A4 right now, one can the same price as the tsx or below the price of the tsx. Handling the i heard compares very closely to the TSX. Plus from all the articles i read audi is known for its handling.
At the end i think the score will be much closer but the TSX i think will still lead by just a little. I guess it depends on what is important to that individual and make your own comparison.
There are several things wrong with this. #1 it is purely of course this is all subjective. Exterior styling i would give the tsx a 7. Usable back seat? was that added just to tilt the score a little more? And if manual tranny why not automatic? Isn't the auto in the TSX much better? CVT? Price - The A4 right now, one can the same price as the tsx or below the price of the tsx. Handling the i heard compares very closely to the TSX. Plus from all the articles i read audi is known for its handling.
At the end i think the score will be much closer but the TSX i think will still lead by just a little. I guess it depends on what is important to that individual and make your own comparison.
Re manual tranny: No slushbox for me! Make up your own criteria.
Re price: spare me the lies. You cannot get a comparably equipped A4 for $26990.
Re handling: Try driving one. A4's steering is heavy. A4 steering with 3.0 is REALLY heavy.
08-21-2003, 08:18 PM
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Yeah - I hadn't had my morning espresso yet and so was in a bit of a pissy mood this morning when i posted that. However, having read a fair amount of gilbo's posts, I knew there was at least a large kernel of seriousness in there as well. :-) I apologize for the "crap" comment, but my other point I'm sticking with.
08-21-2003, 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by vitocorleone
Yeah - I hadn't had my morning espresso yet.....
Yeah - I hadn't had my morning espresso yet.....
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Originally posted by Iceman
Re back seat: My sons are 6 feet tall. This is a big deal to me.
Re manual tranny: No slushbox for me! Make up your own criteria.
Re price: spare me the lies. You cannot get a comparably equipped A4 for $26990.
Re handling: Try driving one. A4's steering is heavy. A4 steering with 3.0 is REALLY heavy.
Re back seat: My sons are 6 feet tall. This is a big deal to me.
Re manual tranny: No slushbox for me! Make up your own criteria.
Re price: spare me the lies. You cannot get a comparably equipped A4 for $26990.
Re handling: Try driving one. A4's steering is heavy. A4 steering with 3.0 is REALLY heavy.
08-21-2003, 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by adam fiooz
lol The accord has a sporty front end and a benzos behinde.its an amazing looking car unlike that box on weels aka the tsx.
lol The accord has a sporty front end and a benzos behinde.its an amazing looking car unlike that box on weels aka the tsx.
Besides that, it's a Honda product...you feelin a sibling rivalry or something?At the same time...it's your opinion...so whatever...post what you want.
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08-21-2003, 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by SPUDMTN
Again, why are you here if you want to rip apart the TSX? I thought this was a TSX enthusiast forum Besides that, it's a Honda product...you feelin a sibling rivalry or something?.....
Again, why are you here if you want to rip apart the TSX? I thought this was a TSX enthusiast forum
Besides that, it's a Honda product...you feelin a sibling rivalry or something?.....
But I think the kid might be onto something.
(Not that there's anything wrong with it, floozy!)
08-21-2003, 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by adam fiooz
"distasteful accord".....lol
"distasteful accord".....lol
Accept that the Honda made Acura to be the higher in just about everything including quality, looks, feel, handling and etc. But that of course comes with higher fees. However Honda made the TSX to be better then the accord. At least the 4 cylinder one. Can they make the accord better? of course they can. But they made the TSX better then it in purpose.
(so they can charge more)
08-21-2003, 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by justinjsw
I guess the same can't be said about your 325xi...I mean ho hum exterior...a dab on the throttle and a lot can be forgiven part...
I guess the same can't be said about your 325xi...I mean ho hum exterior...a dab on the throttle and a lot can be forgiven part...
a dab on a 325 throttle would do more than a dab on a TSX throttle though...
08-21-2003, 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by finalheaven
The MRSP for the audi 1.8 is $25,250. And that's MRSP. And this is LA. One can prolly go down a lot add the premium, lights, bose sound (better then the TSX) and it might come damn close to the price. You are right now i guess it all depends on each individual. To each his own.
The MRSP for the audi 1.8 is $25,250. And that's MRSP. And this is LA. One can prolly go down a lot add the premium, lights, bose sound (better then the TSX) and it might come damn close to the price. You are right now i guess it all depends on each individual. To each his own.
$25,100 Audi 1.8T
450 Denim Blue Pearl paint
2000 Leather trimmed interior
625 Cold weather pkg
1000 Sport pkg
500 Xenon headlights
650 Bose premium sound system
750 17" wheels
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$31.085
This is $4k more than the TSX, which is not as big a difference as I expected. I agree that it would not be hard to beat the TSX's sound system, despite its power rating and number of speakers. I really love the TSX's in-dash 6-CD changer though.
Moral of the story: German cars are priced a la carte, whereas Acuras are priced fully equipped.
08-21-2003, 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by finalheaven
Did your previous audi have problems? The funny thing is... won't dealers only know about the problematic cars? I mean you bring the car back because it has problems and the owner will complain about it. As for the ones that work perfectly it would not be brought up to the dealer. Audi is below acura but audi has fixed many things since just year 2000 as well. The current A4 model 03 and 04 should be pretty solid. It is just a bigger risk then the TSX.
Did your previous audi have problems? The funny thing is... won't dealers only know about the problematic cars? I mean you bring the car back because it has problems and the owner will complain about it. As for the ones that work perfectly it would not be brought up to the dealer. Audi is below acura but audi has fixed many things since just year 2000 as well. The current A4 model 03 and 04 should be pretty solid. It is just a bigger risk then the TSX.
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Originally posted by Iceman
This is $4k more than the TSX, which is not as big a difference as I expected. I agree that it would not be hard to beat the TSX's sound system, despite its power rating and number of speakers. I really love the TSX's in-dash 6-CD changer though.
Moral of the story: German cars are priced a la carte, whereas Acuras are priced fully equipped.
This is $4k more than the TSX, which is not as big a difference as I expected. I agree that it would not be hard to beat the TSX's sound system, despite its power rating and number of speakers. I really love the TSX's in-dash 6-CD changer though.
Moral of the story: German cars are priced a la carte, whereas Acuras are priced fully equipped.
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I must be missing something because Audi 1.8T FWD in Canada (even fully equipped) as compared to the TSX does not have:
1. Xenon lights
2. 17" wheels
3. Premium stereo with 6 disc CD changer
4. Homelink system
And despite this, a fully-loaded A4 1.8T FWD configuration comes up as $37,000CAD.
The current discounts for the TSX are about $2000 off the MSRP of $34,800. For an A4 to match (not beat) that price, it would have to be discounted by $4200!
Am I doing the math incorrectly?
1. Xenon lights
2. 17" wheels
3. Premium stereo with 6 disc CD changer
4. Homelink system
And despite this, a fully-loaded A4 1.8T FWD configuration comes up as $37,000CAD.
The current discounts for the TSX are about $2000 off the MSRP of $34,800. For an A4 to match (not beat) that price, it would have to be discounted by $4200!
Am I doing the math incorrectly?
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Originally posted by j_love_hewitt
I must be missing something because Audi 1.8T FWD in Canada (even fully equipped) as compared to the TSX does not have:
1. Xenon lights
2. 17" wheels
3. Premium stereo with 6 disc CD changer
4. Homelink system
And despite this, a fully-loaded A4 1.8T FWD configuration comes up as $37,000CAD.
The current discounts for the TSX are about $2000 off the MSRP of $34,800. For an A4 to match (not beat) that price, it would have to be discounted by $4200!
Am I doing the math incorrectly?
I must be missing something because Audi 1.8T FWD in Canada (even fully equipped) as compared to the TSX does not have:
1. Xenon lights
2. 17" wheels
3. Premium stereo with 6 disc CD changer
4. Homelink system
And despite this, a fully-loaded A4 1.8T FWD configuration comes up as $37,000CAD.
The current discounts for the TSX are about $2000 off the MSRP of $34,800. For an A4 to match (not beat) that price, it would have to be discounted by $4200!
Am I doing the math incorrectly?