November Canadian Sales Figures
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November Canadian Sales Figures
Some of you might care about these Canadian sales numbers. It shows Honda sales were down a whopping 16.1% in November. However, Acura sales were up 4.0% while BMW, Infiniti, Mercedes and Audi sales were down.
Toyota awas up 0.1% but Lexus was up 40.9%
. I guess you can't stop Toyota in Canada either.
I'm shocked that Honda was down so much, I see Honda's everywhere up here
Toyota awas up 0.1% but Lexus was up 40.9%
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I'm shocked that Honda was down so much, I see Honda's everywhere up here
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Toronto, Ontario - November vehicle sales of 112,380 were down an average of 9.6% when compared with November, 2003, reports DesRosiers Automotive Consultants. Sales of cars dipped 5.7% while light trucks dropped 13.7%.
Domestic manufacturers all reported lower sales. General Motors fared the best of the Big Three with sales down by a relatively modest 2.6%. Ford sales were off 10.7% and DaimlerChrysler sales dropped 20.3%.
Even hot-selling brands like Toyota and Nissan reported only modest sales increases in November: Toyota was up 0.1% and Nissan up by 1.9%. Most other import makes experienced significant sales declines: Mitsubishi dipped 3.4%, Kia was off by 11.2%, Subaru was down 11.7%, Honda dropped 16.1%, Volkswagen fell 17.8%, Mazda dropped 18.5%, Suzuki plunged 34.2%, and Hyundai plummeted 34.9%.
Sales of luxury vehicles were mixed: Mini sales rose 58% for the month, Lexus was up 40.9%, Volvo rose 10.8%, and Acura was up 4.0% - but hot-selling Infiniti dipped 2.9%, BMW was down 4.2%, Mercedes dipped 5.2%, Audi slipped 10.7%, Jaguar dropped 25.4%, and Saab plunged 40.7%.
Domestic manufacturers all reported lower sales. General Motors fared the best of the Big Three with sales down by a relatively modest 2.6%. Ford sales were off 10.7% and DaimlerChrysler sales dropped 20.3%.
Even hot-selling brands like Toyota and Nissan reported only modest sales increases in November: Toyota was up 0.1% and Nissan up by 1.9%. Most other import makes experienced significant sales declines: Mitsubishi dipped 3.4%, Kia was off by 11.2%, Subaru was down 11.7%, Honda dropped 16.1%, Volkswagen fell 17.8%, Mazda dropped 18.5%, Suzuki plunged 34.2%, and Hyundai plummeted 34.9%.
Sales of luxury vehicles were mixed: Mini sales rose 58% for the month, Lexus was up 40.9%, Volvo rose 10.8%, and Acura was up 4.0% - but hot-selling Infiniti dipped 2.9%, BMW was down 4.2%, Mercedes dipped 5.2%, Audi slipped 10.7%, Jaguar dropped 25.4%, and Saab plunged 40.7%.
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Honda's may be popular in Ontario, but I don't know about other provinces like Manitoba, Alberta, Nova Scotia, Quebec, etc. I see a lot of Hondas and Acuras whenever I am in Mississauga or Toronto.
The Canadian auto industry as a whole looks to be struggling a bit. Kia and Mitsubishi sales are slumping and both are fairly new to the Canadian market and once had big sales. I am guessing the new Toyota Corolla/Matrix is selling well in Canada, it looks like it will dethrone the Honda Civic as Canada's best selling car since 1998. As for Acura, finally, the Canadians caught on with the TSX....now Acura should just get rid of the 1.7EL.
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The Canadian auto industry as a whole looks to be struggling a bit. Kia and Mitsubishi sales are slumping and both are fairly new to the Canadian market and once had big sales. I am guessing the new Toyota Corolla/Matrix is selling well in Canada, it looks like it will dethrone the Honda Civic as Canada's best selling car since 1998. As for Acura, finally, the Canadians caught on with the TSX....now Acura should just get rid of the 1.7EL.
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Originally posted by 2004_Acura_TSX
I am guessing the new Toyota Corolla/Matrix is selling well in Canada, it looks like it will dethrone the Honda Civic as Canada's best selling car since 1998.
I am guessing the new Toyota Corolla/Matrix is selling well in Canada, it looks like it will dethrone the Honda Civic as Canada's best selling car since 1998.
Then they can't play those "Civic Nation" commercial anymore !!!! :'(
Theres alot at stake here
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Originally posted by domn
Not sure on TSX sales figures or where I can find them. Whats DeRosier, never heard of it. I'll do a web search.
Not sure on TSX sales figures or where I can find them. Whats DeRosier, never heard of it. I'll do a web search.
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Do they lump the Corolla and Matrix numbers together? I know it's the same platform, but it doesn't always work that way (e.g. Sunfire and Cavalier sales are separate). If they do, what about the Vibe?
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They do lump together the sales of the Corolla and Matrix, thats according the the sales data I've seen for US car sales. Toyota can make it look like the Corolla/Matrix sells more than the Civic by combining them, understandable because they are based off each other. Although, I have to admit that the styling of the Corolla is better than the current 7th gen Civic.
The Pontiac Vibe is sold separately since its a Pontiac and not sold as a Toyota.
The Pontiac Vibe is sold separately since its a Pontiac and not sold as a Toyota.
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Are you sure they lump Matrix and Corolla sales together? I know they based off the same platform but they are completely different in every other conceivable way.
I figured Honda had an advantage selling the Civic Coupe and Sedan to the Sedan only Corolla. Toyota called the Solara, the Camry Solora just to keep up with Honda Accord Sales, which is a stargedy that seems to have worked.
I figured Honda had an advantage selling the Civic Coupe and Sedan to the Sedan only Corolla. Toyota called the Solara, the Camry Solora just to keep up with Honda Accord Sales, which is a stargedy that seems to have worked.
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Originally posted by zircon
mazda 3 is going to kick butt also. really nice sedan and wagon.
mazda 3 is going to kick butt also. really nice sedan and wagon.
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Are you sure they lump Matrix and Corolla sales together? I know they based off the same platform but they are completely different in every other conceivable way.
I figured Honda had an advantage selling the Civic Coupe and Sedan to the Sedan only Corolla. Toyota called the Solara, the Camry Solora just to keep up with Honda Accord Sales, which is a stargedy that seems to have worked.
Are you sure they lump Matrix and Corolla sales together? I know they based off the same platform but they are completely different in every other conceivable way.
I figured Honda had an advantage selling the Civic Coupe and Sedan to the Sedan only Corolla. Toyota called the Solara, the Camry Solora just to keep up with Honda Accord Sales, which is a stargedy that seems to have worked.
I think it's fair to lump the Camry and Solara together, given that the Solara really is a Camry coupe with Lexus SC-style body. After all, the Accord's sales are based on sedan and coupe as well.
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The Pontiac Vibe is sold separately since its a Pontiac and not sold as a Toyota.
The Pontiac Vibe is sold separately since its a Pontiac and not sold as a Toyota.
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Re: November Canadian Sales Figures
Originally posted by domn
Some of you might care about these Canadian sales numbers. It shows Honda sales were down a whopping 16.1% in November. However, Acura sales were up 4.0% while BMW, Infiniti, Mercedes and Audi sales were down.
Toyota awas up 0.1% but Lexus was up 40.9%
. I guess you can't stop Toyota in Canada either.
I'm shocked that Honda was down so much, I see Honda's everywhere up here
Some of you might care about these Canadian sales numbers. It shows Honda sales were down a whopping 16.1% in November. However, Acura sales were up 4.0% while BMW, Infiniti, Mercedes and Audi sales were down.
Toyota awas up 0.1% but Lexus was up 40.9%
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I'm shocked that Honda was down so much, I see Honda's everywhere up here
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Originally posted by ecsw
It's very nice to know. I think with the new Mazda3, Honda needs to be careful if they don't want to lose the big pie on compact market.
It's very nice to know. I think with the new Mazda3, Honda needs to be careful if they don't want to lose the big pie on compact market.
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Originally posted by kenbiddulph
The 3 and Corolla are good for Honda owners. It just means Honda will have to make a better Civic for 2005.
The 3 and Corolla are good for Honda owners. It just means Honda will have to make a better Civic for 2005.
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I wonder if the Acura EL will be redesigned for 2006 now that the TSX is out? I don't really see the point in having it since its basically a Honda Civic, but with more luxurious features and better ride.
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I don't see the point of the EL either, unless of course they decide to drop in the 2.0L engine. I'm not sure why they hav'nt actually.
I saw my first 04 EL the other day and I must say its pretty sharp. The front end is much more agressive and the rear is much cleaner. Styling especially from the rear is a huge improvemnet over the Civic IMO. I'd pay an extra k or so for an EL over a Civic.
I saw my first 04 EL the other day and I must say its pretty sharp. The front end is much more agressive and the rear is much cleaner. Styling especially from the rear is a huge improvemnet over the Civic IMO. I'd pay an extra k or so for an EL over a Civic.
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Originally posted by domn
I don't see the point of the EL either
I don't see the point of the EL either
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but now the 04 Civic can be had with the EL's 127 hp engine. So this may bite into the EL's sales a bit.
I've said it before and i'll say it again. If Acura wants to be seen as a legitimate high end competitor for Lexus/Audi/BMW/MB etc, they need to show that their least expensive vehicles aren't directly competing with the likes of a Toyota Corolla (which can be had with leather now).
Don't get me wrong, the EL is a very good car - but it should be badged as a Honda.
Lexus doesn't need an EL competitor to succeed in Canada, so why does Acura??
I've said it before and i'll say it again. If Acura wants to be seen as a legitimate high end competitor for Lexus/Audi/BMW/MB etc, they need to show that their least expensive vehicles aren't directly competing with the likes of a Toyota Corolla (which can be had with leather now).
Don't get me wrong, the EL is a very good car - but it should be badged as a Honda.
Lexus doesn't need an EL competitor to succeed in Canada, so why does Acura??
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Lexus doesn't need an EL competitor to succeed in Canada, so why does Acura??
Lexus doesn't need an EL competitor to succeed in Canada, so why does Acura??
Acura needs the lower end of the market to maintain volumes to stay profitable. If they got rid of the cheaper models, they would be selling TSX, TL and MDX, which is a pretty narrow band of the market. RL and NSX don't have enough volume to matter. It comes down to the fact that the parent company doesn't have as much variety in platforms to draw from.
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