New S40 vs. TSX
08-26-2003, 10:26 PM
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Very interesting thread! I had second thoughts for a whole nano-second when I saw that pic, but then remembered what turned me off of the S60 I tested:
1) Lack of steering feedback - you have to upgrade to the speed sensitive steering for it to feel 'sporty' (++$)
2) Lack of manual tranny in low-pressure turbo - had to upgrade to T5 package and get high-pressure (no power in base model) +$$
3) No leg room in backseat
4) Result: $+$$=$$$ (translation: mucho)
But then again, as ALFA stated, the S60 isn't competing against TSX (Sorry Larch, I also disagree)
If the S40 AWD sport model can resolve 1, 2 and 4, hmmmm.... Ah hell, what I really want is an S60R in a S40 body/price
1) Lack of steering feedback - you have to upgrade to the speed sensitive steering for it to feel 'sporty' (++$)
2) Lack of manual tranny in low-pressure turbo - had to upgrade to T5 package and get high-pressure (no power in base model) +$$
3) No leg room in backseat
4) Result: $+$$=$$$ (translation: mucho)
But then again, as ALFA stated, the S60 isn't competing against TSX (Sorry Larch, I also disagree)
If the S40 AWD sport model can resolve 1, 2 and 4, hmmmm.... Ah hell, what I really want is an S60R in a S40 body/price
08-26-2003, 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by Weck
......But then again, as ALFA stated, the S60 isn't competing against TSX (Sorry Larch, I also disagree).....
......But then again, as ALFA stated, the S60 isn't competing against TSX (Sorry Larch, I also disagree).....
To me, the S60 is one of the several closest comps to the TSX.
Actually this is an interesting question in itself, and it's surprising we haven't had a thread devoted to this:
WHAT ARE THE TOP 5 COMPS FOR THE TSX, AND IN WHAT ORDER?
Here's my list (well, actually I have to give 9, can't help it).
The list isn't in the order of how good the cars are, just in the order of similarity to the TSX as I see it:
1. Saab 9-3
2. Mazda 6
3. Audi A4
4. VW Passat
5. Volvo S60
6. Accord coupe (!)
7. Infiniti G35
8. BMW 325i
9. Lexus IS300
It's an interesting exercise, because each person's list would show how important the various factors about a car are to him in deciding what the car is like.
But however you slice it, I don't see why you wouldn't consider the S60 a comp for the TSX. It's a VERY CLOSE comp.
08-26-2003, 11:41 PM
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Re: Volvo s40
Originally posted by mbucek
I will say this...if it is as underperforming as the T5 247 HP 0-60 in 8.2 seconds in the old c70-that was also pretty to look at-I want no part of it. I really feel that Volvo exaggerates their HP's or only gets about 50% to the flywheel. Very attractive, safe cars...nothing more!
I will say this...if it is as underperforming as the T5 247 HP 0-60 in 8.2 seconds in the old c70-that was also pretty to look at-I want no part of it. I really feel that Volvo exaggerates their HP's or only gets about 50% to the flywheel. Very attractive, safe cars...nothing more!
08-27-2003, 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by larchmont
.....this is an interesting question in itself, and it's surprising we haven't had a thread devoted to this:
WHAT ARE THE TOP 5 COMPS FOR THE TSX, AND IN WHAT ORDER?.....
.....this is an interesting question in itself, and it's surprising we haven't had a thread devoted to this:
WHAT ARE THE TOP 5 COMPS FOR THE TSX, AND IN WHAT ORDER?.....
http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...&threadid=1972
08-27-2003, 02:21 AM
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I evaluated a V40 during my car research before settling on the TSX. If the S40 is anything like the current V40, there is no rear legroom. At least in the TSX you can seat an adult behind the driver's seat without inconveniencing the driver.
08-27-2003, 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by teombe
You really can't hold this against them jack. I mean, they were once partly owned by Renault and Mitsubishi (which is why the current S40 IS a Mitsubishi platform) for God's sake. At least Ford has money.
Also, Volvo is being utilized heavily as an "R&D" center for Ford. This means that Volvo gets more funding to do the cool stuff they do with their cars, and Ford's mainstream lineup gets to benefit in the form of cool safety features, electronics, and the "body-designer-on-loan program". So, you will actually see more "volvo" in Ford - Case in point: The Ford Futura you see below:
The Futura is a Mazda 6 chassis, Ford Duratec engine, and penned by a former Volvo designer.
Overall, I am quite pleased with the symbiotic nature of Ford's relationship with its subsidiaries. In contrast to what GM is doing with SAAB, this is a great relationship.
You really can't hold this against them jack. I mean, they were once partly owned by Renault and Mitsubishi (which is why the current S40 IS a Mitsubishi platform) for God's sake. At least Ford has money.
Also, Volvo is being utilized heavily as an "R&D" center for Ford. This means that Volvo gets more funding to do the cool stuff they do with their cars, and Ford's mainstream lineup gets to benefit in the form of cool safety features, electronics, and the "body-designer-on-loan program". So, you will actually see more "volvo" in Ford - Case in point: The Ford Futura you see below:
The Futura is a Mazda 6 chassis, Ford Duratec engine, and penned by a former Volvo designer.
Overall, I am quite pleased with the symbiotic nature of Ford's relationship with its subsidiaries. In contrast to what GM is doing with SAAB, this is a great relationship.
08-27-2003, 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by Iceman
I like the Futura waaayyy better than the new S40.
I like the Futura waaayyy better than the new S40.
08-28-2003, 06:35 PM
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That S40 sure looks like a IS300 from the rear angle shot. The interior looks crappy, but will probably be altered somewhat when it comes to the US (note the built-in phone pad - real cool feature that we have on our S80 T6 in Singapore, but not a viable option in the US).
The only way I'd consider trading my TSX for the S40 would be if the S40 came in an "R" package like the new S60-R.
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The only way I'd consider trading my TSX for the S40 would be if the S40 came in an "R" package like the new S60-R.
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09-01-2003, 11:33 PM
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Volvo's comeback?
The picture of the upcoming S40 looks hot, the XC90 SUV is probably the best looking one on the road, and now look at this V90. I like it a lot.
09-02-2003, 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by TSXautoXer
For safety issues, Volvo cars are tuned to understeer...and yes, quite unreliable too...The europeans better buck up on their reliability or else, the japs will take over...
For safety issues, Volvo cars are tuned to understeer...and yes, quite unreliable too...The europeans better buck up on their reliability or else, the japs will take over...
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