Beoshingus

Heh, this argument reminds me of something funny. When I was in Paris a couple of years ago, as the taxi was leaving the airport, we were following a BMW 718. 718?! A 7-series with a 1.8L engine?! BMW would NEVER export something so ridiculous to the US.

Point is, that French 718 and an American 750, though they share the same platform and body, are not comparable in any way. If you had a comparison test in which there was a Cadillac STS, Mercedes S500, Jaguar XJ, Infiniti Q45, and a BMW 718, guess who the big loser will be?

So even though the TSX and the Euro Accord share a lot, it's not fair to extrapolate a comparison with one to draw conclusions about the other. Therefore, they are different cars.

GIBSON6594

I think "well built" is another way of saying good "build quality" which is a more known category. Audi's are known to have the best build quality in the industry.

I think reliability is seperate from build quality.

leftride

iTrader: (1)

just got an image of that in my head.....um sir could you please stop doing that, other people would like to look at the car too.

and I agree with your statement..their issues seem to be more mechanical and electrical.

dom

I agree with everything you've said but I still cannot accept that last sentence. Oh well.


Sure a 2.2L deisel is different than the TSX's 2.4 Petrol. But we've seen dyno's for the Euro 2.4. Can you really say its a different engine?

TinkySD

Personally I htink build quality isn't worth much if the car falls apart in two years. But maybe that's just me. Now I've never owend an audi but I've had 4 friends with vws or a4s and they've all had dozens of headaches.

TinkySD

Didn't a GM or something win car with best initial build quality this past year?

dom

Buick

05_TSX_GP

And currently there're TV commercials of a Kia (I am pretty sure it's Kia) also winning some best initial build quality award or something...

Edit: it's the commercial with some stupid marching band following a guy and his car everywhere... anyone else seen it??

drkangel348

The TSX makes a world of difference from its european/asian siblings... The K24A2 can only be found in the TSX, which makes the most torque out of all of the K series engines. The interior as said before is MUCH different... The european Accord also lacks VSA. Its not the same car, its like saying the M3 and 3 series are the same when they're not.

http://www.honda.co.uk/newcars/image...0_10730_05.jpg

05_TSX_GP

This is getting silly.... it's already established that it's a matter of symantecs. Definition of words is the single most silly thing to argue over.

Let's talk about how "interesting" it is to be comparing diesel powered sedans

Beoshingus

Well, I take this from the original quote:

The original implication was that this article said "the Passat is better than the TSX." It does not say that; it says it's better than the Euro Accord. Take the sentence above. That says the Accord "fails to create a luxury feeling in the same way the VW does." That sentence would not hold true at all if you substitue the word "TSX" for "Accord."

I can only applaud the decision to change the title of this thread to read "Diesel Euro Accord" instead of "TSX."

To sum it all up and put it in perspective - who cares what some silly European magazine says anyway?

GIBSON6594

I owned a 2001 A6. That car had terrible reliability and engine problems (thats why I got rid of it), but as far as the body construction, body panel gaps, material quality (all the things that go into the "build quality" category) it was the best I have ever seen.

The engine and suspension may fall apart, but the rest of the car was rock solid.

Ex- not one rattle to be found...NONE!!

05_TSX_GP

A Flinstone image just popped to my mind

My condolence to all VW/Audi (does this apply to Porsche too then?) owners/drivers out there... haha, I know at least two of them!!! Poor guys.

BallsOfSteel

Well put !!! 'Nuff said

dom

I hope your convinced because I'm sure as hell not

TinkySD

BallsOfSteel

Not convinced? If they are the same - then there should be no comparsions made at all. BUT THERE ARE. Why you ask? Because they are different.

Same soda different size you say. You got a large Coke, you got a small Coke, same soda - yes. Different sizes - Yes. The only difference is the quanitity. But its the same soda - I agree.

Simple and sweet and to the point.

TSX - Euro Accord. Same body and frame - YES. Different insides and ect - YES - Same car - Noooooooooo.

dom

According to tunix from slovenia, the Euro Accord does have VSA. I believe it also has EBD if I remember corretly, which the TSX doesn't.

We can agrue about this all day but the cars are not different enough for me to call them different cars. If I were in Europe and saw a Euro Accord, I'd walk up to the guy and say "Hi, I have the same car" Symantec's.

BTW



Its difficult to see but the only differences I can see interior wise are the changed Radio/Hvac/Nav layout and the gauges. The rest of the interior looks pretty similar to me. Although that may not be a fair statement since I've never seen one first hand.

Whiskers

^^^^^Domn, come on now. The steering wheel is on the other side of the car!!!! They are completly different!!!!

dom

How right you are

But seriously wsklar, do you see that many differences in the interior? Maybe the TSX's int rattles less, although that would be hard to imagine

Whiskers

IMO it looks like the US Accord and the TSX mixed. Has a lot of both in it. Outside no question, TSX.

GIBSON6594

Red hazard button

smap

ahhhhhhhhh. They are the same car, just different variations, but the same car!!

The interior's different and the engine is detuned, a variation of the car, YES. Different car NO. So they are the same!

Dan Martin

Detuned????

It takes diesel!!!

05_TSX_GP

smap

ahahahhaha... ok my bad
Acura TSX with the Euro Accord 2.4.

Now the diesel ok is different!
ahahhaha

05_TSX_GP

Hey guess what... this thread has somehow made me wonder just how nicely done the new Passat is. I'll probably sneak over to a VW dealership tomorrow or something and check it out. I'll do my own Passat vs TSX report thereafter... guess I can post it here huh?

AcuraGT-3

Wow, 3 pages. The Euro Accord, is pretty well liked and recieved in Europe. The main negative being image and bland styling (image is a big reason for buying there). Either Accord or Euro-Accord interior is very nice (or is that TSX).