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The new 323i is a 2.5L 174hp engine. The old e46 engine is back!!!
The new TSX is a 2.4L 205hp SAE engine. Improve K24A is back!!! Well not back...


The new 323i starts at 35,200 Canadian
The new TSX starts at 34,900 (36,300 with freight) Canadian

These cars are pretty much even in price. The 323i can only be had with 16 inch rims even with sport package($1500 - sport suspension, sport seats, and 16inchers)


So what would you have buy if you had to do it again?

E90 TSX?

Howard911s

if i absolutely have to make a choice, its TSX, 323 is good. not sure if better or worse, but when i buy a car, i buy the highest one in its same model line up. Aint gonna buy a 323 with 325 and 330 above me. TSX come in 1 model. thats what ill stick with

xjdmb16a2six

really they bringing back the 323i???

kensukikatayo

I thought it was just the 325i and the 330i, well I guess a 323i would be cool too, more kills for us.

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Yeah typical BMW techinque!!! Its back right now.

You can expect the same things from bimmer. On the last year of the E90(5-7years from now) the side turn signals of E90 will move up and be on the cat-walk of the car.

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Yeah before you could only get a 325i as base. 39,900! Now 323i changes that.

I wonder if America gets it too? Well I'm ready to see tons of new E90's now.

TypeRS

good luck finding a BASE 323i for the price u mentioned.

West6MT

I was just looking on the BMW Canada site,...............323i is back. The MSRP is just over the TSX,...like powered by honda was saying.......I would get a TSX over the 323i. We know someone who just got a 325 and doesnt really want it,........I am hoping we can take if off her hands if she really does want to get rid of it........too bad its auto.

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what? What do you mean good luck? The price I gave was is www.bmw.ca price.

baka.

TypeRS

as Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear states: BMW likes to ripoff everyone with every little thing.

when i meant good luck finding a base model, i seriously mean it. go to any bmw lot and ill bet u wont find a totally base model with NO options on it unless u were to special order it. most BMWs on the new dealer lot has packages and options tacked on and by tat time, the car will be far more expensive than a TSX or any comparable car.

there was a time a few years ago wen lexus offered leather as an OPTION. but have u seen a lexus with just cloth seats? pretty much all the lexuses have leather as "standard" equipment

kyotousa

i think he meant like the dealership won't have a base car lying around in the lot.
you might need to wait for them to build ....

Japanese make you cool??

Auroraboy

In Canada, we have had a 320i for the last few years in the 1999-2005 E46 body style. This car was not available in the USA and it was brought in as a "value" model to get buyers who could not afford a 325 or 330.

In reality the 320 was a 2.2L engine, so by BMW nomenclature, it should have been called a 322. It had about 15 less HP than a 325. The base 320 model came with steelies and wheel covers, and as with any BMW, extras could quickly put the price of the car beyond a basic 325.

I suspect with the new body style, BMW Canada is bringing in the 323 to replace the 320, and lure buyers with a more competitive price.

I had two 320i's (had BMW connections), but now own a CG 2005 TSX Auto

Jason

The TSX KILLS every 3-series (when money is factored in).

ianS

Sounds like some left over, refurbish engine again like what they did on 320.

Motohip

That's not true. The 98?? 318ti was a 1.9. There were also a few other models that had names that didn't correspond to it's engine size. Honda did the same with the S2000 in '02.

Motohip

That's not a very intelligent comment. It also kills every Mercedes...when money is factored in. What do you mean by kills? Costs less?

Jason

Sorry to disappoint you.

Basically, I was saying that when you factor in value and the cost of the cars, the TSX is a much better automobile. And IMO, that goes for the 323, 325, and 330. I personally would rather have a TSX over any 3-series even if money were no object.

Motohip

You were so broad, that I thought you were including the M3 in this. And the 330 is a pretty damn good car. I'd take the 330 and especially the M3 over the TSX.

ianS

Yes, even how I love my TSX over my 328, I still rather have a M3 but they dun have 4 dr M3 ne more. But if I can live with a 2dr then I will have a hard time to choose between S2000 or M3.

dmbfan36_23

The BMW price STARTS higher than the TSX... when you add all the options that the TSX comes with standard the price goes way over the TSX. And the BMW is rear-wheel drive which sucks in the snow... so personally, I'd go with the TSX

ianS

BMW + snow tires != sucks in the snow.

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You guys are using your BMW stereotypes again...

Theres only 2 packages for the new 323i!!!

Sport package = 1500 and Luxury package = 3000 I think.

The price will still be under 40,000. Also there will be tons of new 323i with no packages for sure...

Why do you think BMW makes a BASE MODEL???

A: TO SELL IT DECKED OUT?

No to sell it BASED OUT!!!!



Even with just sport package the price is well under 37,000 and I can tell you there will be 323i's with JUST sport package

and TONS of base ones.

kensukikatayo

Still hella overpriced.

TypeRS

so whats ur point? ur still not gonna find one with no options on it, and let alone with similar features the tsx already has for under 30k... heck, i bet u can get a TL with navi for the same amount as tat bimmer with the sport package.

and this is a TSX forum... expect some biased views...but more interestingly, y is it mentioned here instead of in the auto forum of this site?

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My point is there will be one with no options on it. The only reason why its base it because bmw wants to sell units.


Also, didnt know there is a auto forum on this site.

Basically your wrong about there not being any with no options. Because I bet there will be 20 base ones with no options in each bmw dealership. Priced to sell.

That being said I would take a tsx over the New 323i base sedan.

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TL is 42,400 canadian. With Navi 3500 option in Canadian dollars. So 45,900.
The 323i is 35,200 canadain. Sport package 1500.


So your SUPER WRONG.

Jason

Yeah, well, you are on double secret probation!

dom

Interesting. 31 HP is alot to makeup. I'd say TSX

F23A4

BMWs (particularly the 3-series) always have seemed lite in HP/TQ compared with their competitors but that nevers seems to correlate to it's actual performance numbers (which are typically impressive given how things appear on paper).

ianS

Just found out that the E90 323i is not having the M54 engine from the E46 325i. It is the M6 engine with valvetronic and double vanos. Well but I still dun want a BMW that build from south africa with cheapen materials. I will only consider 330i which is truly German build and not cutting corner on materials. After 3yr, it will tell the different. My 5+ yr old 328 holds up way better than the newer 325 and 320. But I still dun think my bmw is ne better than my TSX. TSX sure has a way more refine engine and manual tranny.

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Only the 330 is made in germany? I thought all E90s were.

ianS

On E46, only M3, 330, 328 are made in Germany. And most of the 325, 323, 320 are from south africa.

waTSX

Why do you assume made in South Africa = cheaper materials? Cheaper labor, sure, but cheaper materials?

Wouldn't they just be ASSEMBLING cars with German-made parts?

And even if they are South African-made parts, I would assume they are made to BMW specs.

ianS

Most of us will not buy the TSX if it is made in US, at least I won't. Even Honda and Toyota not able to 100% gurantee the parts from US supplier will have the same quality and spec as their Japanese supplier. And how many US worker and the US management willing to follow Japanese manufacture and QA standard! BMW is well known not good in QA control and supplier control. Even same yr same model, just on July production, you may have different DME version installed or control arm, speaker, battery, tire are in different spec, different supplier or even different design.

dom

If the TSX is an example of Japanese manufacturing then I'll be sure to buy US or Mexican built next time.

kenzo

I've owned about a dozen new Acuras / Hondas, made in the US, Japan and Canada.

So far...

The Honda models with the most production line defects are made in Canada.

TSXforme

To add to this point, I thought that BMW's South African plant won some some award for quality control within the past couple of years. I'll need to find that article.

Found it: http://www.southafrica.info/doing_bu...ng/rosslyn.htm

waTSX

Well, fine. I'm not sure where you get your information, but you seem to be privvy to knowledge that most of the rest of us don't have access to.

You seem to be making an awful lot of assumptions about the business practices of US/German/Japanese car companies. I don't know the first thing about what US workers and US management do and do not do regarding QA standards.

I'd be interested to learn more about your sources.

waTSX

Dom, I don't know what problems you've had with your TSX, but mine has been solid. No rattles to speak of, and certainly no mechanical issues. I've been very happy with it, regardless of where it was built.

ianS

I was a interm on the QA engineering department of a Honda factory in Allision. I saw all the fighting between Japanese management & local management. Regarding the quality control of BMW, once you being a owner of it for 5 yr and hanging with other owners together, you will able to find it out yourself. And BMW also mention in their press that they are badly need to improve the qc on their oem supplier.