so i was checking out lexus forum, since my parents are getting either new gs or is.. and they were hella bashing on TSX

http://my.is/forums/showthread.php?t...&highlight=tsx

it was like the stupidest things i heard in my life.. like saying rwd is better than fwd so is250 is better..... damn why are people so ignorant? i checked out my friends 250... 06s got bluetooth, aux, sunroof leatither and hid in standard! if you want that in is250.. its like 38k... wow ... i don't know why people are so ignorant!

 

IS250 is rip off.... IS350 is also ripoff but its hella nice/fast so its probably worth it.

People all went G35s before IS250/IS350 because there was nothign in that class that brought the power and quality of G35 for the low price...$31-32K..(my aunt bought one)

There are seriously so many G35's around where i live and thats also why G35 won C&D's award too.....

TSX is nice/decent FOR YOUR MONEY...which is why, I bought it...and why Car and DRiver likes it.


I also don't like how C&D says the BMW 3-series is their best sports luxury sedan...what 3-series model exactly are they referring to? is it the 325, 330?? or is it the M3 ? haha

 

i hear ya, my inifiniti dealership here offered me g35 sedan for 32k(leather and 6discs) i didn't buy it because it was no where near tsx's luxurious, i mean it was blast drive that thing.i would of gotten TL but acura here wouldn't budge on TL!! i really wanted the navigation.... after driving TSX i was sold ! i also felt like G35 have more power than it needed! but hell is250 is expensive.. and sluggish as tsx.. or even slower... doesn't have bluetooth i believe.. and if i know correctly leather isn't standard on lexus... and neither is h.i.d... its outragous rip-off. i mean its a good looking car i do agree... but not for 36k.... and i HATE people saying fwd has worse handling.. prelude was listed top 10 of best handling car in 1998 or something.... there were like porche or ferrari on that list

 

That guy has no argument so that why he's resorting to name calling

 

Holy crap...that one guy comparing the IS250 and TL, saying they are in the same class needs his head checked. What a f'n idiot. I honestly don't know how people that brain dead keep themselves alive. Shouldn't survival of the fittest have weeded him out by now?

Someone should post the list of standard equipment on the TSX and 250 on that site and then see what that moron says.

 

According to LexISherm300, claiming that the IS250 is too upmarket for us slummy TSXers, "There in different leagues. Dont bring up power its irrelevant. Their in different categories of cars." I was just waiting for him to say that, "They're is no comparison between the two."

I guess the my.is forum is for well-heeled dolts -- "they're in their element there."

 

exactly.. half of people in that forum probably never rode in TL... TL is waaay out of IS250's league... is250 IS COMPARABLE to TSX.. i mean even better!

 

This is nothing new, for some reason there is a lot of animosity from Lexus owners towards Acura owners. Its just a fucking car! I am pretty serious about replacing my TSX with a IS or GS(depending on my situation at the time) when the time comes, but I don't like the prentetious reputation that comes with owning a Lexus these days.

Can't argue the virtues of RWD to FWD, so they do have a point there.

 

I read through the posts on the lexus forum and it seems only one guy (LexISherm300) is dissing the TSX. Everyone else exactly praised the TSX and defended it. Most recommended the TSX over the IS250 .

 

In the end, just consider the source and be glad he's not on our team...

 

If IS250/350 was really that GREAT.... then Car and Driver would have made it its 2006 BEST SPORTS SEDAN or BEST LUXURY SPORTS SEDAN.... knocking off either TSX or the BMW 3-series.

I wonder if IS300 ever won a Car and Driver award??? let me go look that up.

 

Just because a bunch of clowns on a forum are talking shit about the TSX, don't assume there car isn't that great. The IS350 is an awesome car, it doesn't have the feedback/feel of the road that a 3 series does but is a slightly more luxurious car. And there is no denying Lexus' reliablity and dealer support. I think its a slightly different market then the either the TSX or the BMW, the BMW is clearly more of a driver's car while the Lexus is a more luxurious and trendy car.

There is no perfect car for everyone, some people will like one over another - that's fine there are plenty of great cars available today....

Now if an Escort forum started talking shit, then I think you would have the right to fire back.

 

I agree, C&D definitley considered everything that the TSX had to offer. Not just HP and drivetrain. I didnt want a gas guzzler at the expense for power. Thats why I feel the TSX is so refined, a inline 4 cylinder that can output 200 hp but has great gas mileage. BTW I see G35's almost everywhere here in seattle but not the TSX, very limited.

 

man... some1 needs to help LexIShirm300 check his head... major problem and if he aint arrogant then i dunno wut he is LFMao -_____-"

 

I agree. I read through the posts and got the impression that everyone over there thought that one Lexus fanboy was wrong.

Also, I do have to agree that for a sport sedan, RWD > FWD.

 

I don't know how a car becomes luxurious, or entry level, but standard Leather seats has to have something to do with it. right? When you think of a luxury car, it HAS to have leather seats.

 

 

lol i see the same shiet on every forum. of course they gonna bash on other cars. so just chill.

 

lol agree with xjdmb16a2six, 1/2 you guys are saying how crappy the IS 250 is in this thread right now...

 

, but IMO..seems like their bored of their cars and need to bash on another cars such as the TSX just to raise their car-self-esteem. LOL

 

i agree with you tireguy.

also, we have to remember, the Acura TSX is mostly a car that people either stretched to get because they were shopping lower priced cars such as the Civic, Accord, Mazda 6, etc, and realized the TSX was a great value for a little bit more, or they were shopping the higher class cars, TSX compared to the IS250 BMW 3, etc, and decided that the TSX was a much better Value than those cars.

Is the IS250 more luxurious? I didn't test it but i'd have to say it probably is slightly nicer interior. Would i put a 8-10k price tag on the changes? Not really.

RWD is nicer handling, but for some FWD actually takes the edge in the argument, because RWD would be a PITA to have. Yes, you can get very nice snow tires and be very cautious when driving, but some people don't want to worry about that. Some people live in areas where it's not a huge issue.

That being said, I'm happy with my 2006 TSX and don't think anything could have convinced me to take the IS over it, unless the Lexus dealer offered it to me for about $5,000 less than what it's going for....then it would have been worth contemplating at least.

 

Yeah, I looked at the IS250 and it was going for MSRP and they weren't budging.
At $30k with no options, EXTREMELY cramped rear seat, I passed.

Even though I didn't test drive it, I already know it handles better than the TSX with more neutral steering due to RWD.
But it just wasn't worth the extra $5k when comparably equipped as the TSX.

 

and you know if you look at it, you wouldn't just put the extra 5k, you'd keep going.

i think it's funny because when i spoke of shopping the Acura TSX, numerous people resonded with...that's $30,000 you can get a _________ (fill in the blank) for only a few thousand more.

and they were often right, you could get a BMW 3, or a Lexus, blah blah blah, for only a few thousand more. But then you start adding options and just to become comparable to the TSX you're at 5,000 more. than they have all these other options that you just have to have, and now you're spending 10K more. Maybe someday i'll buy a car in the 40-50k range, but i hope it's because it's a good value for the money (doubtful!), not just because it's a prestigious brand.

Kudos to Lexus and BMW for being able to overcharge people. Great cars, but cmon, I find no compelling reason to drop the extra cash on one right now.

 

To put things in a different light, would you pay 1/3+ more for the Lexus? Now add for any mods you might want to do and bingo you're at 1/2 again the cost of the TSX. I agree with what has been said here - The TSX is the best bang for the buck.

 

they can call us bargain shoppers if they want to. that's just a way for them to make themselves feel better about throwing their money out the window for "snob appeal" in my opinion.

if i could justify the cost, i'd buy it.

that being said, i could justify the cost of a ferrari maybe someday i'll be able to afford it!

 

 

hell yes guys, is250 isn't 35k..... thats slower than tsx and less luxurious... why can't tehy see that? lol

 

i dont know about the is250 being less luxurious than the tsx. i havent been in the tsx, so i can't compare the two.

 

lol ok maybe i was pushing a little on that one, but i think TL is more luxurious than Is250 tho.. since they are in same price range?

 

So how many people here have actually extensively driven an IS250?

FWIW, I really feel like the IS is too little car for the money. Sure it's a nice car that has a couple of features that the TSX does not even have available (i.e. the keyless ignition system), it is really quite cramped and several interior panels, while well trimmed, are rather poorly placed for spirited driving. The steering is also lacking in feedback and the 250 needs more motor. While it is not a bad car, it is not a car worth several thousands of dollars more than a TSX on a feature to feature basis.

However, if you must have RWD or you must have a Lexus, then the IS is a pretty solid competitor to what is out there when compared to other cars of equal size and luxury. However, to compare the really rather too small IS to the TL is a huge disparity in terms of size. In luxury, I would say that intelligent cabin layout is as important as all the other basic areas of luxury like quality of leather, fit and finish, etc. The Lexus cabin could stand to get an infusion from Acura in terms of ease of use ergonomics.

So if this fanboy can't recognize the fact that the IS250 is a good car, but is not a truly great car and is not worth the huge price incr3ease over the TSX, then he is choosing to bury his head in the sand so that is his problem. Let him do as he pleases because it will all come around to bite him in the ass, eventually.

 

Typically, people how own an Acura, want to drive a nice car. People who own a Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, or Infiniti, want to be SEEN driving a nice car. I'm I wrong?

 

you are right!

 

Does anyone here think that they paid a premium (extra $$'s) over the hard value of the car so they could drive an Acura? Now apply that to the aforementioned line-up of cars.

A better comparison would be to line-up side-by-side the Acura RL "base" model against the big dollar, big image ego mobiles. Now I haven't done the apples for apples = X$'s but I think most people would be surprised at the dollar range. In the end if someone wants to spend $50K+ for a car they most assuredly want everyone else to know about it. I found that out when I drove a friend's German version RR for a week. I was treated differently by strangers and in the end felt like I was in a fish bowl.

No thanks... not my style.

 

fixed..
damn...!! couldn't have said it any better....that is so true

 

 

Whatchu talkin about Willis?

 

I think that may be true for a few, but I seriously doubt that it's "typical."

Many people drive a Mercedes because of the way they feel and drive - bank vault solid structure, turbine-like power delivery, and top-tier safety and design.

Many people choose Lexus for it's combination of smooth ride, luxury features, quality materials, reliability, resale, and relative value.

Many people purchase a BMW for the surreal ride/handling compromise, steering feel and response, and drivetrain refinement.

Many people choose Infiniti for it's almost BMW-like handling dynamics, powerful engines, relative value, and new-found reputation for reliability and resale.

One must be pretty narrow-minded and insecure to state that if someone owns one of these cars, they are superficial and vain, yet if they own an Acura, they must be intelligent and discerning.

All of these companies build outstanding cars that appeal to different buyers, and there are many, many reasons to choose one of these fine automobiles over an Acura.

 

most people i know with a Lexus/BMW drive it mostly for the label of the vehicle. lexus is a perfect example, as the toyota versions of the cars don't even come into consideration with these people i know. i'm not saying acura people are smarter, but i got an acura because better value for money.....i think lexus makes great machines, but i'm not willing to pay their prices. BMW, fun to drive, until you're out of warranty, then you really have to be able to AFFORD to drive it. Same with Audi. Mercedes has lost a lot of my respect in the past 10 years with quality, engineering, and design all dropping off a bit.

 

You can't say that people who drive Lexus are label-centric because they don't want a Toyota. In NA, there isn't a Toyota equivalent of the IS200, IS250, IS300 or IS350. Same as for the TSX. The TSX is not under the Honda badge, but Acura. We could be labeled the same that we are buying Acura instead of going for a Honda. But there isn't a Honda TSX/JDM Accord in NA, and there isn't a Toyota IS250 either. So why bother saying that Lexus/BMW/Mercedes drivers are brand-conscious/snobbish/freaks? Everyone has their own brand preference.

 

In the US alone, BMW, Lexus, Audi, Infiniti, and Mercedes sell a combined 30,000 units of their entry-level models every month. That's 360,000 3-series, ES/IS, A4, G35, and C-Class cars in one year!

So, how many friends do you have?