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You can wax it whenever you want. You don't have to worry about problems with the finish. By the time you car gets to you, it has been quite sometime since it was painted.
I waxed mine after about two weeks of ownership. I gave it two coats, and the improvement in shine was dramatic. Also, I found that polishing took a lot of crud off that had accumulated in transit.
I waxed mine after about two weeks of ownership. I gave it two coats, and the improvement in shine was dramatic. Also, I found that polishing took a lot of crud off that had accumulated in transit.
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Within the first week I removed the "old" wax with Dawn and then washed it with Zaino car wash. Then I followed that up with an application of Zaino's car wax. The next week I applied another coat and I couldn't be happier.
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Cruz,
I just did my baby this weekend with the dawn wash and Z2 with the new ZFX additive. I put two coats of the stuff on. Really beautiful!
My question to you is, did you wash the car again before applying another coat?
I just did my baby this weekend with the dawn wash and Z2 with the new ZFX additive. I put two coats of the stuff on. Really beautiful!
My question to you is, did you wash the car again before applying another coat?
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Originally posted by darth62
. Also, I found that polishing took a lot of crud off that had accumulated in transit.
. Also, I found that polishing took a lot of crud off that had accumulated in transit.
You actually polished a brand new car
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You NEVER polish a new car. Only wax it. Polish is too abrasive and you have already thinned out your clear coat now because of it.
Next time try waxing first before moving up to a polish or else you will have no clear coat left in no time flat
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Originally posted by 93Kewl
Cruz,
I just did my baby this weekend with the dawn wash and Z2 with the new ZFX additive. I put two coats of the stuff on. Really beautiful!
My question to you is, did you wash the car again before applying another coat?
Cruz,
I just did my baby this weekend with the dawn wash and Z2 with the new ZFX additive. I put two coats of the stuff on. Really beautiful!
My question to you is, did you wash the car again before applying another coat?
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Originally posted by Champ
What??
You actually polished a brand new car
You NEVER polish a new car. Only wax it. Polish is too abrasive and you have already thinned out your clear coat now because of it.
Next time try waxing first before moving up to a polish or else you will have no clear coat left in no time flat
What??
You actually polished a brand new car
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You NEVER polish a new car. Only wax it. Polish is too abrasive and you have already thinned out your clear coat now because of it.
Next time try waxing first before moving up to a polish or else you will have no clear coat left in no time flat
I've never read that resin-based polishes are abrasive.
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Originally posted by Champ
What??
You actually polished a brand new car
You NEVER polish a new car. Only wax it. Polish is too abrasive and you have already thinned out your clear coat now because of it.
Next time try waxing first before moving up to a polish or else you will have no clear coat left in no time flat
What??
You actually polished a brand new car
![No No](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/nono.gif)
You NEVER polish a new car. Only wax it. Polish is too abrasive and you have already thinned out your clear coat now because of it.
Next time try waxing first before moving up to a polish or else you will have no clear coat left in no time flat
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I was a little inexact there. I didn't polish in the sense of using an abrasive cleaner. I just went over the car with a soft sponge and some cleaning wax, and removed some dirt that I couldn't get off with the wash.
I applied a coat of Meguir's cleaning wax and then applied a second coat of Meguir's "gold formula." I've been using that stuff for like 20 years, and never had anything but good results. It is pretty mild and doesn't really have much of cleaning action, but it was enough to get the gunk off of it from the trees in the neighborhood, and whatever dirt it picked up in trasit.
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Originally posted by 93Kewl
Cruz,
I just did my baby this weekend with the dawn wash and Z2 with the new ZFX additive. I put two coats of the stuff on. Really beautiful!
My question to you is, did you wash the car again before applying another coat?
Cruz,
I just did my baby this weekend with the dawn wash and Z2 with the new ZFX additive. I put two coats of the stuff on. Really beautiful!
My question to you is, did you wash the car again before applying another coat?
Just don't wash with Dawn again, use the Zaino car wash.
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Originally posted by Champ
What??
You actually polished a brand new car
You NEVER polish a new car. Only wax it. Polish is too abrasive and you have already thinned out your clear coat now because of it.
Next time try waxing first before moving up to a polish or else you will have no clear coat left in no time flat
What??
You actually polished a brand new car
![No No](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/nono.gif)
You NEVER polish a new car. Only wax it. Polish is too abrasive and you have already thinned out your clear coat now because of it.
Next time try waxing first before moving up to a polish or else you will have no clear coat left in no time flat
I think it is impossible to "thin" the clearcoat as it is more than dry by the time it reaches the States from Japan. Am I wrong on this?
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Originally posted by darth62
Well, thanks for the warning but I didn't use polish.
I was a little inexact there. I didn't polish in the sense of using an abrasive cleaner. I just went over the car with a soft sponge and some cleaning wax, and removed some dirt that I couldn't get off with the wash.
Well, thanks for the warning but I didn't use polish.
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I was a little inexact there. I didn't polish in the sense of using an abrasive cleaner. I just went over the car with a soft sponge and some cleaning wax, and removed some dirt that I couldn't get off with the wash.
A couple months ago I tried it after having thought I had thoroughly washed the car, and the crud that the clay bar picks up is amazing! It's impressive to feel the surface difference between a clay'd and a non-clay'd section.
I'm trying to decide if I should run the clay bar on my week-old TSX to see what crud it picks up. (It takes a couple hours to clay-bar a car.) And then you wash it again and dry, and then you apply and buff the wax/polish/nose grease/whatnot.
Have a look at: Ultimate Car Care FAQ
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Any type of a cleaner wax or polish, no matter what it says about containing abrassives, will put swirl marks on the clear coat and thin it out over time.
It doesn't matter who makes it.
It doesn't matter what it says on the lable.
Do not use abrassives on a new car, wait a couple of years. In the mean time, use a good car wash liquid, applied with foam or 100% cotton towels, dry with chamois, 100% cotton towels, and then apply a pure wax, either natural (carnauba), synthetic, or a blend thereof.
It doesn't matter who makes it.
It doesn't matter what it says on the lable.
Do not use abrassives on a new car, wait a couple of years. In the mean time, use a good car wash liquid, applied with foam or 100% cotton towels, dry with chamois, 100% cotton towels, and then apply a pure wax, either natural (carnauba), synthetic, or a blend thereof.
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Originally posted by LeeLee
Any type of a cleaner wax or polish, no matter what it says about containing abrassives, will put swirl marks on the clear coat and thin it out over time.
It doesn't matter who makes it.
It doesn't matter what it says on the lable.
Do not use abrassives on a new car, wait a couple of years. In the mean time, use a good car wash liquid, applied with foam or 100% cotton towels, dry with chamois, 100% cotton towels, and then apply a pure wax, either natural (carnauba), synthetic, or a blend thereof.
Any type of a cleaner wax or polish, no matter what it says about containing abrassives, will put swirl marks on the clear coat and thin it out over time.
It doesn't matter who makes it.
It doesn't matter what it says on the lable.
Do not use abrassives on a new car, wait a couple of years. In the mean time, use a good car wash liquid, applied with foam or 100% cotton towels, dry with chamois, 100% cotton towels, and then apply a pure wax, either natural (carnauba), synthetic, or a blend thereof.
Zaino is at its core a product with large amounts of UV protectant and polymers that are 99% optically clear meaning where ever you put the stuff, it fills and stacks coats that allow more light to reflect off the paint making the car brighter than any other polish.
Do not get waxes, polishes, and buffing agents confused. You are correct in that all polishes and waxes do contain abrassives, but you fear of removing layers is absolutely incorrect I know with Zaino. The point of Zaino is to build layers of optically clear polymers and UV protectants. The adds a physical layer against environmental, chemical and optical containments.
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The fear is doing something, such as abrassive cleaning, to a new car's paint job that doesn't need it and putting swirl marks on the paint in the process.
I remember seeing a new black Forester still with its 30-day tags on that had nausea-inducing swirl marks all over, obviously the result of an owner who just couldn't wait to baby his new car with a fresh coat of what ever junk cleaner wax he had and a nifty new circular buffer.
It's true that even "100% pure Carnauba" wax is only in part Carnauba, but I said this only to indicate that there are such "pure" natural waxes, in addition to "pure" synthetic waxes, and blends. The point here is to get a wax, and wax only, not a cleaner wax, not a polisher, but a wax *AND* polisher, just wax and wax only as its claimed function.
When the car's paint is new, the primary goal is to keep it clean and protect it.
I remember seeing a new black Forester still with its 30-day tags on that had nausea-inducing swirl marks all over, obviously the result of an owner who just couldn't wait to baby his new car with a fresh coat of what ever junk cleaner wax he had and a nifty new circular buffer.
It's true that even "100% pure Carnauba" wax is only in part Carnauba, but I said this only to indicate that there are such "pure" natural waxes, in addition to "pure" synthetic waxes, and blends. The point here is to get a wax, and wax only, not a cleaner wax, not a polisher, but a wax *AND* polisher, just wax and wax only as its claimed function.
When the car's paint is new, the primary goal is to keep it clean and protect it.
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Originally posted by LeeLee
The fear is doing something, such as abrassive cleaning, to a new car's paint job that doesn't need it and putting swirl marks on the paint in the process.
I remember seeing a new black Forester still with its 30-day tags on that had nausea-inducing swirl marks all over, obviously the result of an owner who just couldn't wait to baby his new car with a fresh coat of what ever junk cleaner wax he had and a nifty new circular buffer.
The fear is doing something, such as abrassive cleaning, to a new car's paint job that doesn't need it and putting swirl marks on the paint in the process.
I remember seeing a new black Forester still with its 30-day tags on that had nausea-inducing swirl marks all over, obviously the result of an owner who just couldn't wait to baby his new car with a fresh coat of what ever junk cleaner wax he had and a nifty new circular buffer.
I 100% agree with the "machine" polishing and also with you technical definitions, but realize something, a quality polish and yes, even a wax, do have micro-abbrassives. The only way you truly won't scratch paint is to use something with lower abrassive characteristics than the clear coat. Good luck using any but a polymer on your car to achieve that.
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Originally posted by LeeLee
The fear is doing something, such as abrassive cleaning, to a new car's paint job that doesn't need it and putting swirl marks on the paint in the process.
I remember seeing a new black Forester still with its 30-day tags on that had nausea-inducing swirl marks all over, obviously the result of an owner who just couldn't wait to baby his new car with a fresh coat of what ever junk cleaner wax he had and a nifty new circular buffer.
It's true that even "100% pure Carnauba" wax is only in part Carnauba, but I said this only to indicate that there are such "pure" natural waxes, in addition to "pure" synthetic waxes, and blends. The point here is to get a wax, and wax only, not a cleaner wax, not a polisher, but a wax *AND* polisher, just wax and wax only as its claimed function.
When the car's paint is new, the primary goal is to keep it clean and protect it.
The fear is doing something, such as abrassive cleaning, to a new car's paint job that doesn't need it and putting swirl marks on the paint in the process.
I remember seeing a new black Forester still with its 30-day tags on that had nausea-inducing swirl marks all over, obviously the result of an owner who just couldn't wait to baby his new car with a fresh coat of what ever junk cleaner wax he had and a nifty new circular buffer.
It's true that even "100% pure Carnauba" wax is only in part Carnauba, but I said this only to indicate that there are such "pure" natural waxes, in addition to "pure" synthetic waxes, and blends. The point here is to get a wax, and wax only, not a cleaner wax, not a polisher, but a wax *AND* polisher, just wax and wax only as its claimed function.
When the car's paint is new, the primary goal is to keep it clean and protect it.
So, I doubt there is any real abrasive quality. I'm willing to be that is true of most of the typical brands - the "cleaner" added is not very effective. If you really want to remove built up dirt, you going to have to use a clay bar or a more abrasive polish. Typical cleaner waxes just don't accomplish much.
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I don't think that most swirl marks are caused by polishing/waxing, but are more often the result of improper washing. Washing a car with dirty water or a dirty rag is like using sandpaper. No wax or polish contains particles anywhere near the size of dirt particles. Take your car to most auto dealers for service where they give you a complimentry wash, and don't be surprised if it's covered with swirl marks when they are done with it.
I've been using Zaino on my two year old dark red SUV from day one, and have hardly any swirl marks. I just finished claying and applying Zaino swirl remover, and the surface is swirl free. The clay bar actually helped remove water spots on a section that got hit with the sprinker system well water. The well water apparently contains salts which will eventually etch into the clearcoat if not removed.
Even new cars benifit from claying since they are likely to pick up contaminents during transit. "Raildust" is typically mentioned as a common problem on new cars. I think my SUV had a rougher surface when new than it did after two years.
I've been using Zaino on my two year old dark red SUV from day one, and have hardly any swirl marks. I just finished claying and applying Zaino swirl remover, and the surface is swirl free. The clay bar actually helped remove water spots on a section that got hit with the sprinker system well water. The well water apparently contains salts which will eventually etch into the clearcoat if not removed.
Even new cars benifit from claying since they are likely to pick up contaminents during transit. "Raildust" is typically mentioned as a common problem on new cars. I think my SUV had a rougher surface when new than it did after two years.
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I was just looking at Consumer Report's ratings for waxes and then gave Meguier's cleaning wax a lower than average rating for hazing/scratching. That seems to support the concerns raised above about using such waxes on your car. So, I'm going to toss that stuff out and not use it again.
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Can't polish a new car? When you get the paint protection from the dealer isnt it a polish and wax?
I used the Meguirs 3 step, cleaner, polish, wax after having the car about 2 months. Was that bad??
I used the Meguirs 3 step, cleaner, polish, wax after having the car about 2 months. Was that bad??
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After I read the above comments, I checked CONSUMER REPORT's website on the issue. They noted that Meguir's cleaning wax had a worse than average rating with regard to hazing (leaving fine scratches and swirls). They did say this was not likely to noticed on light color cars, but I think it could be an issue over time.
I think the risks with the three-step process are even greater, because the polish in the cleaner wax is not very abrasive, although I could be wrong.
I'm probably going to drop the use of the cleaner wax altogether at this point, and just stick with the wax that has not cleaner components.
I think the risks with the three-step process are even greater, because the polish in the cleaner wax is not very abrasive, although I could be wrong.
I'm probably going to drop the use of the cleaner wax altogether at this point, and just stick with the wax that has not cleaner components.
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I'm polishing tomorrow night with Meg's Gold after I give my biyatch a good wash and interior detailing. It's been about five weeks since its seen soap and water:'(
I've owned it for 3 months now and its time to get polishing!
Unfortunately, as a birthday present, I will also have to labour over my father's CRV, top to bottom. Its going to be a long night.
I've owned it for 3 months now and its time to get polishing!
Unfortunately, as a birthday present, I will also have to labour over my father's CRV, top to bottom. Its going to be a long night.
#23
Originally posted by Brad
Have you tried a clay bar? That stuff--when used correctly with a lubricant--picks up stuff that no soap, detergent, polish, or wax will ever likely pick up.
A couple months ago I tried it after having thought I had thoroughly washed the car, and the crud that the clay bar picks up is amazing! It's impressive to feel the surface difference between a clay'd and a non-clay'd section.
I'm trying to decide if I should run the clay bar on my week-old TSX to see what crud it picks up. (It takes a couple hours to clay-bar a car.) And then you wash it again and dry, and then you apply and buff the wax/polish/nose grease/whatnot.
Have a look at: Ultimate Car Care FAQ
Have you tried a clay bar? That stuff--when used correctly with a lubricant--picks up stuff that no soap, detergent, polish, or wax will ever likely pick up.
A couple months ago I tried it after having thought I had thoroughly washed the car, and the crud that the clay bar picks up is amazing! It's impressive to feel the surface difference between a clay'd and a non-clay'd section.
I'm trying to decide if I should run the clay bar on my week-old TSX to see what crud it picks up. (It takes a couple hours to clay-bar a car.) And then you wash it again and dry, and then you apply and buff the wax/polish/nose grease/whatnot.
Have a look at: Ultimate Car Care FAQ
When I did my TSX the next week over, I only clayed the front/rear bumpers and the area behind the wheel wells. There is a very noticable difference in the feel of the paint between my wife's car and mine. In 6 months or so, I'm going to do it again.. right.
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Originally posted by teombe
I would definitely recommend claying your entire TSX.
I would definitely recommend claying your entire TSX.
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Originally posted by darth62
After I read the above comments, I checked CONSUMER REPORT's website on the issue. They noted that Meguir's cleaning wax had a worse than average rating with regard to hazing (leaving fine scratches and swirls). They did say this was not likely to noticed on light color cars, but I think it could be an issue over time.
I think the risks with the three-step process are even greater, because the polish in the cleaner wax is not very abrasive, although I could be wrong.
I'm probably going to drop the use of the cleaner wax altogether at this point, and just stick with the wax that has not cleaner components.
After I read the above comments, I checked CONSUMER REPORT's website on the issue. They noted that Meguir's cleaning wax had a worse than average rating with regard to hazing (leaving fine scratches and swirls). They did say this was not likely to noticed on light color cars, but I think it could be an issue over time.
I think the risks with the three-step process are even greater, because the polish in the cleaner wax is not very abrasive, although I could be wrong.
I'm probably going to drop the use of the cleaner wax altogether at this point, and just stick with the wax that has not cleaner components.
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Ultimately, that is what counts. You're happy with the outcome. So, who cares what CR says? I kind of feel the same way. I like the way my car looks after I used Meguirs
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