cmd

Sure the MT is quicker, but I've read a lot of posts were people are upset about poorly published AT 0-60 times. I'd say more the lack of test, since all the reputable tests have been with a MT. I have a 05 AT. I opted for the AT in the TSX because 1) its was on the lot and the dealers are more interested in selling in-stock 2) stop and go traffic is a pain with a MT 3) with the manual mode you can down shift if you want to and 4) if I buy the car after the lease, ATs are MUCH easier to sell than MTs. I just installed my Comptech rear sway bar and now that the car has 1200 miles on the OD I thought I could for once see what the car can do. I went down to a curvy road which follows a river and tried out the manual mode.

As reference, I've owned MT and AT turbo Saabs (0-60 ~6.7-7.0), a MT Maxima (6.9), MT Infiniti G20 (8.4), MT Nissan 240 (8.2) among other cars. Relative to what I've driven in the past, this car feels pretty darn quick! Running the RPMs up to 6-7k it really pulls — harder than my other cars with less hp/weight which ran 0-60 in the low 8s. I'd be really surprised if you couldn't pull a sub 8 second (you know, with the A/C off!). Going into a sharp curve at 35 then down shifting to 2nd, the car really moves out of the turns. Sure it doesn't have that 3rd gear torque of a Saab turbo, but its now slouch either!

Mission accomplished — the sway bar feels great and the car really does move out. I got back in the garage and thought "what is that smell?" Well, I guess a little tread loss is okay every once and while. Has anyone (who doesn't like the OEM treads) gone out and put an AT to 0-60 and 1/4 test?

GIBSON6594

Butt dyno's are not always the most accurate

LannyM

See this thread.......

G-Time'd 5AT

and that's with Hondata and CAI........

Don't feel bad, I don't think we've seen a sub 15 second pass even with a modded 6MT.....

dom

Ummm did you maybe miss Post 27 in that thread?

Those runs are as quick as a 6MT.

CGTSX2004

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The AT is not the quickest car around, but it certainly isn't a slug by any measure. It's perfect for a solid daily driven car. I have never had a complaint about the acceleration of my TSX. It's even better after I did the reflash though.

dom

Once its upto speed there is absolutely no problem with the power of the car. Could it use more off the line? Sure, but so could 98% of cars out there.

amadeus303

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Dom... do you mean those are as quick as an un-modded 6MT? Or as quick as a comparably modded 6MT? The AT is geared different, so without the mods, I can't really think of a circumstance where the 6MT would be slower than the AT (driver skill being "equal" of course). I'm guessing that a 6MT with CAI and Hondata would run low 7's.

GIBSON6594

I think the 6MT is underated, i'f i had to guess i'd say stock 0-60 is 7.0-7.1

LannyM

No they're not. Dan pulled a 7.23 in the summer with no Hondata; Dingo's best is 7.48 with Hondata. And the margin would build as the speeds increased.......

dom

Yes, as an un-modded 6MT.

dom

You're right. Dan was 0.2 seconds quicker. Fawkin slow ass AT.

jlukja

LannyM

Sorry, I just find it kind of amusing that 5ATers are always trying to make a comparison to 6MTs. My only comment was that even 6MTs are not particularly speedy......

But realistically, you buy the 5AT, you put in Hondata and CAI, and still it's not as fast as a stock 6MT.

I just think that a company as technologically advanced as Honda could have a SMG style box in place by now. The torque converter is such a dated, inefficient design.

Audi/VW has the DSG on the market now, and all the early testing shows better acceleration across the board than the comparable manual model.

That's an auto that I could live with........

dom

Hmmm, according to the numbers in this thread

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=times

That 7.4 time is just as fast as a stock 6MT, more or less.


I find it funny when 6MT's like to pretend their car is fast.....

I'm realistic enough to know that the 6MT is a faster car. but the only real world test we have to determine actually how much faster is when dzuy ran against triz in Florida.

Both had the same mods (Hondata, CAI, Exhaust). Dzuy ran a 15.7 and Triz a 16.1. Last time I checked thats not much of a difference.

GIBSON6594

jlukja

dontcare4urshyt

id rather have my AT especially with those clutch issues you people have!!!!!!!!!!!! If it was a corvette, S2000, Mustang, Lamborghini, ETC Id choose MT.. but a sedan.. AT all the way!!

GIBSON6594

GIBSON6594

Have you heard about the AT problems Acura has had?

That second comment was just too much for me to respond to...

jlukja

now you know my true identity.

GIBSON6594

dom

Have you heard that the AT problems were all with V6 Honda/Acura's.

But still, I'm more nervous driving an AT than I would be a MT Honda/Acura.

TSX.Fury

nervous AND having less fun

dzuy

correction.

cough cough.

anyway, i suck at launching.

my time was 15.5 @92 or 91 mph.

with a high flow cat now, i'm going to revisit the trsck soon.

autocrossing is so much more fun, but pure acceleration is cool. the wait in line to run sucks.

amadeus303

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This is starting to turn into an AT owners vs 6MT owners thread...

Different strokes for different folks --- no pun intended. In my opinion, people choose an auto primarily for practical reasons (i.e., may be annoying to some in traffic, other people in the household can't drive stick, buyer doesn't know how to drive stick, better gas mileage in the TSX's case, buyer likes to do things while driving such as talk on the phone, etc.). Personally, I picked a 6MT because I love to row through the gears, especially on a Honda transmission, and I feel like I have more "control" over the car. Sequential sport shifts and paddle shifts don't give me that same connection with the vehicle. With that said... all things being equal between two cars... I'd always pick the MT for the fun factor... and in case anyone asks...

- I sit in NYC rush hour traffic every day
- My wife can't drive a stick (although she's letting me teach her)

Wouldn't trade it for the world... love my MT

dzuy

there's alot of those threads.

it doesnt really matter.

if you love your car, then that's what matters.

ultimately, EVERYONE picked their tranny of choice for a reason.

:troutslap

NightShredder

It is cool that you are pleased with the quickness of your AT. Mostly I hear complaints about how this car isn't a race car.

amadeus303

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Damn... I finally got trout slapped by Dzuy I finally popped my cherry!

cmd

That's the thing, I never thought I was buying a race car. My Saab 9-5 with a V6 turbo could really throw you back in the seat. But the Saab felt pretty darn slow when it was in the shop all the time and I was bumming a ride off someone. That's why I bought the TSX -- reliable Japanese engineering and some class to boot. I wanted a car I could depend on to drive every day, but not one that EVERYONE else was buying. I test drove it and thought it feel very nimble and tight, but lacked the great turbo rush. Then again, I also didn't take it out on a curvy back road as I just did yesterday. Like I said, I was surprised how quick the car felt. Maybe the key is NOT thinking its a race car and you'll be pleasantly surprised.

dom

But if I remember correctly your 15.5 run came on another night. The night you went with Triz your best run was a 15.7. Didn't you do that 15.5 when you changed tires? and won a shift knob?

CarbonGray Earl

This is probably a repost, but canadian driver got a 7.3 second 0-60 in a 2004 test drive of the 5AT. See HERE. 5AT owners shouldn't have an inferiority complex about a 0-60 time.

That being said, as you guys know, 0-60 times and 1/4 mi times involve too many confounding factors. Let me just say that it is better to understand the conditions in which your car is quick, i.e. the sweet spots in your powerband, the limits of adhesion, braking, etc. Enjoy the whole car. Its more fun to be quicker that way than just flat out mashing the gas. In that regard, the 5AT is plenty fast and plenty fun.

dzuy

oh yes.

i did run 15.7 and 15.6 that night @ 89 mph.

that was on my 19's.

i then changed to stock wheels to run 15.5 @ 91 or 92 mph.

and that's how i won the shift knob.

:troutslap

dzuy

i guess the good thing about AT is that you have one free hand to hit people with a trout.

:troutslap

LannyM

Am I missing something?

The only reference I see to 0-60 is :

Where did he record a time?

CarbonGray Earl

No not at all- you missed nothing....that was my mistake. However, in my original post, I was trying to point out that these numbers were meaningless anyways. What probably counts more from that article is...."I found mid range acceleration to be brisk and highway cruising smooth and effortless." Or "I found the manual shift intervals very quick - quicker than a driver could accomplish with a tradtional manual transmission - but not as much fun. "

Like I said, 0-60 not withstanding, 5AT owners should not have this inferiority complex compared to our 6MT brethren. Its only slightly less engaging to drive.

dom

Like I said head to head is what counts.

dom

dom

Double

Somebody make this man a mod

NightShredder

I didn't buy it for speed either. Although the car is not a snail. It gets up there especially in the corners. It passes very easily on the highway. I don't really even have to downshift lower than 5 when going uphill in the mountains and I still can maintain close to 90 mph. Overall a fun car to drive.

CarbonGray Earl

If you get $$$ for giving your then