dom

Now that we know 2005 Canadian TSX's have a $3,300 Navi option how many of you 05 buyers will spring for it?

Keep in mind that a MT with Navi TSX will run you $38,200 + $1,200 Freight & PDI and a AT with Navi $39,400 + Freight and PDI. Does that cost push the TSX too close to the competition, or maybe even a Non-Navi TL which is $41,000?

I personally, would not spring for it. We're looking at $46,690 on the road in Ontario for a AT/Navi

lokman

Can we have some more choices, like "Yes, regardless of price" and "Yes, if it were cheaper"?

dom

Sure makes sense.

Dan Martin

The $3300 is not too out of line with what the competition is charging ($2900 in the 325i) but it's still too much. The biggest problem is the price difference between the US and Canadian models. $2000 US = $2352 CAD.

$1000 markup??? Get real Acura.

dom

Edited again, I think it makes sense now.


We'll see what our market bears.

lokman

I'm wondering where in Canada people might opt for the Navi - I can see how it makes sense if they lived in Vancouver, GTA or Montreal, but otherwise I think it's not really required anywhere else unless you travelled a lot. How many people from the Prairies or the Maritimes are going to need the navi in the absence of a really big city?

That said, I wonder how many units Acura sells in Vancouver, GTA and Montreal compared to the rest of Canada.

lokman

Thanks for the poll!

darth62

It might be worth renting a vehicle for a day or two that actually has a good nav system. You'd be surprised by how useful these systems can be on a day-to-day basis. My situation might be different than some of you, because I live in a big sprawling urban setting with roads that I don't know particularly well (I'm relatively new to town). But, personally, I'll probably never buy another vehicle without NAV and given that Acura has one of the best systems on the market, I think taking advantage of it makes good sense.

Do we have any data on how comprehensive the map data is for Canada? Some folks in the smaller American cities have complained about coverage.

Dan Martin

I think you nailed it on your last sentence lokman. I'm sure 80% of TSXs go to either
Toronto, Vancouver, or Montreal and the rest go everywhere else.

fdl

well its the rising CDN $ thats messing everything up I think.

Dan Martin

Don't get me wrong, navigation is a great tool to have. I'd just prefer my $400 ique that has a palm pilot built in to a $3300 system that I can't take with me when I sell the car.

dom

I'd love to have the Navi, not only is it useful but its a great toy. Problem is, like Dan said we can buy alot of better toys for $3,300. They should'nt have charged a penny more than $2,500. But lets remember that Honda Canada had a team dedicated to developing this Canadian Navi package and in two languages. They have to make the developement money back I suppose. Like Junkster always says, Blame the French

pcdawg

That is 2 much...its much cheaper to get an aftermarket like the pioneer AVNIC1 with dvd player....

I mean if Domn has those figures for a 05 Auto with nav.....man....a TL would be a much better choice......a friend of mine told me he knew someone that recently got the TL for under $43,000 OTR....i gotta check into that....for an extra $4000 i could have gotten the TL!!
But then again,...the car is a bit 2 big for my tastes....

dom

2005 TL's are $41,000 + $1,200 Freight & PDI. So $1,600 more gets you a TL.

lokman

But that TL doesn't include Navi. The Navi on the TL is another $3,300.

Dan Martin

I know they appeal to a different customer but the TL has to be a better value at only $1600 more.

Dan Martin

Yes but the TSX doesn't come with 270hp or DVD audio either.

ianS

I won't care how TL cost, even it is 10k cheaper than TSX, I still won't consider it. I won't buy ne car that is not made in Japan ne more! And I agree with Dan, just get a mobile Navi for $500 but it Acura only charge $1000 for it then I will be interested, an integrated one since more neat than having all the cable around the dash.

dom

This is a whole other argument but I'd look long at hard at a TL if I were spending that much. But one of the reasons I bought a TSX was because of the low price.

lokman

You know what I meant!

But this pricing could be a problem in that the TSX is getting very close to a TL again. Maybe I should buy a TL now before they start charging for the automatic in that too.

majormojo

I voted No, but not because I'm anti-nav, just that I'd never use it in the TSX. At a reasonable cost, I'd opt for it in a vehicle that I'm likely to do some travelling in, but the TSX is basically our city car, not the one we'd choose for a family road trip. Nav is something I would opt for if it's available in a vehicle that I rent in an unfamiliar city though.

matelot

and it seems 80% of those owners are on this forum

darth62

I'm a PDA buff. I have several Pocket PCs, several Palm pilots, and have tried most of the hand held GPS solutions on the market. IMO, comparing the IQUE system to the NAV system in the Acura products is like comparing the sound from a Sony Walkman to the music system in the TL. In terms of speed, capabilities, coverage, the IQUE does not compete.

That said, if you move from vehicle to vehicle frequently, that might be a reasonable way to go. Also, the advantage of a portable sytem is easy upgrades as technology improves.

Dan Martin

That's fine. I'm not saying the ique is better than the integrated system.
I'm just saying that integrated navi not $2800 better.

For what it's worth, my ique was able to navigate me from Toronto to Seattle so I'd say that's pretty good coverage.

darth62

Dan, I think it is an individual choice. You have to decide whether or not the NAV is worth the $1400 USD more or not. And, you should factor in the other functions NAV adds (like voice recognition) and the reality that NAV is covered under the four year warranty and can be included in your car loan. For me, all that makes it more than worth it.

But, again, let me emphasize that the right choice for me is not necessarily the right choice for everyone. I understand why some might prefer the portable option. Just don't fool yourself into thinking that the portable solution is just as good (and, obviously, you have not made that mistake).

And, to avoid turning this into another "Nav or not" thread, let me also add that the utility of the nav system in Canada is not yet demonstrated. I have no idea what the coverage is like up there.

Dan Martin

I agree that the portable option is not for everyone, it's just nice to have options.

My option allowed me to have navigation in my car and a widescreen TV in my living room.

What you value is up to you.

TSXforme

Personally, I do not think you really need a Navi if you're driving around Vancouver. Montreal & Toronto maybe...but it's tough to get lost in Vancouver.

darth62

And, my option allowed me to have more debt and a 27-inch conventional TV (non high def) so I understand your point.

It is also possible that the technology behind these units will improve so much over the next few years that some of us who opted for NAV will find ourselfs using obsolete units.

t_dot_porkchop

maybe im boring and dont leave the GTA a lot...but generally, when im going out, i know where im going, so the NAVI is not that useful....besides the perlys only costs like $10

it looks pretty though....what else can it do other than navigate?