Originally Posted by sauceman

:whocares: Oh and by the way, don't waste my time by reporting a post from curls calling him a troll. You got what you deserved. Period.

We don't sanction people for disagreeing with you. This site wasn't built for you or around you, believe it or not.

Originally Posted by HollywoodTSX

Disagreeing is one thing, but geeze have a little class? Name calling is a little tacky don't you think? Usually not appreciated in forums with grown-ups.

Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer

Honda designed and built the engine, yes. And their goal is to get it to run for 50k miles with no problmes (the warranty period).

Originally Posted by sauceman

You got called an ignorant prick, and I totally agree with curls for that.

If you'd have been through what he's been through because the preceding owner was careless and pretty much ruined his engine for that, you'd probably react the same way. Is it so hard for you to put yourself in someone else's shoes? If at your age you can't even do this, don't come schooling anyone here about their classless attitude.

Originally Posted by HollywoodTSX

I don't buy used cars, but even if I did and had my feelings hurt I wouldn't stoop to name calling. It's a shame people can't express their opinions without insulting others, more so that a public forum allows/encourages such poor manners.

Originally Posted by HollywoodTSX

I don't buy used cars, but even if I did and had my feelings hurt I wouldn't stoop to name calling. It's a shame people can't express their opinions without insulting others, more so that a public forum allows/encourages such poor manners.

Originally Posted by waterrockets

Honda may be a large corporation looking at the bottom line, but that is certainly not their engine reliability goal. That was the goal for Yugo and Hyundai in the 1980s. Honda's success in the west is built on the reliability they beat us over the head with in the '80s and '90s. If they lose that, they end up with U.S. domestic quality and are left with a tainted brand (like Hyundai is fighting to restore).

Originally Posted by sauceman

It's pretty simple. If this place isn't good enough for you, no one holds you here. I don't see anyone complaining about this here. Looks like you have a problem.

Originally Posted by curls

Either way, I think you should have respect for other peoples <future> property.

Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer

Your quote conveniently leaves out my next sentence....

Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer

Anyway, reliability issues that come up as a result of a poor/harsh break in really aren't Honda's fault no matter what their reliability reputation is. You can't abuse a car and then blame the manufacturer for the problems that show up because of it. If you follow what the manual says about break in, you're in no danger of messing up anything. It's probably not optimal, but it's not bad. That's all I was trying to say.

Originally Posted by HollywoodTSX

I'm certainly not going to worry about what the next owner might think of my car. If they're so worried about break-in, then they should buy a new car that they can afford or do whatever tests they need before they buy it. Their wants are not my concern, and I doubt anyone else breaks their car in especially out of concern for possible future owners. Give me a break.

To insult me because I disagree about break in because someday someone else might buy the car is just absurd.

Originally Posted by sauceman

Well, let me rephrase that for you then. You're an inconsiderate and condescending jerk. You're absolutely full of yourself.

Now let's get back on topic, it is a worthy of a good discussion. Enough with the hijacking.

Originally Posted by waterrockets

I'm like the American press....

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Sorry I'm late on this thread, but that site is total bunk. The truth is you need to follow your manufacturers stated breakin procedure. Why? Because tolerances today are so tight that you can cause engine damage if you drive the piss out of it too soon. Problem with sites like this is they mix some truth with bullshit. So lots of folks take it as gospel when its just flat wrong. Yes hard acceleration pushes the rings out but with tolerances in todays motor this can cause more harm then good. As most of you already know the rings are not fully seated and have not worn in properly. Excessive abuse during the break in period can cause problems not only with the rings but it can cause the rings to scar the cylinder walls. NOT a good thing.

In short FOLLOW the manufacturers recommended procedure.

Originally Posted by chrisa04tsx

I take everything I read with a grain of salt. Has anyone on here actually had there engine apart to see what the side of there pistons look like. I'm just saying that the dealer doesn't care if your rings seal tighter, but they do have an interest in preventing owners from grenading there engines. I will be putting more load on my next car as I believe there is some truth in getting the rings seated properly, I'm definately not going to baby it.

Originally Posted by sauceman

Yeah, Honda took curls' engine apart and the oil control ring was basically carbonized. I would imagine what he's putting forward in this thread emanates from the discussions he's had with the guys who rebuilt his engine.