BMW Response to TSX
#41
Originally Posted by huckleberry
So ? they are SALESMEN - 99.999% car salesmen badmouth competitors all of the time.
If I sell for non-Acura I'd be bashing Acura & everyone else to the best of my ability, hey I gotta eat.
If I sell for non-Acura I'd be bashing Acura & everyone else to the best of my ability, hey I gotta eat.
#43
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From: Mooresville, NC
Originally Posted by afici0nad0
i'm not hating on bmw, or town and country bmw. i'm just hating on this salesman...
Martin Kaine
Sales Master
Martin Kaine
Sales Master
#46
Agreed that not even the Acura ones are better all the time. I was recently in getting some work done and wanted to look at a TL since I am a few months out from replacing my other car and I couldn't get the time of day from four salesmen sitting inside the showroom.
There's a reason that you never see the same salesmen more than a few months at dealerships. The turnover for them is higher than the McDonald's fry guy!
There's a reason that you never see the same salesmen more than a few months at dealerships. The turnover for them is higher than the McDonald's fry guy!
#47
Originally Posted by sccpu3d
The guy has absolutely no idea WTF hes talkin about........ the TSX has better crash test ratings than the bimmmer
NHTSA CRASH TEST RESULTS:
TSX
Frontal crash ratings:
Driver: 5 star - Passenger: 5star
Side crash ratings:
Driver: 5 star - Rear Passenger: 4star
NHTSA ROLLOVER RESISTANCE RATING: 4 star
BMW
Frontal crash ratings:
Driver: 4 star - Passenger: 5star
Side crash ratings:
Driver: 3 star - Rear Passenger: 5star
NHTSA ROLLOVER RESISTANCE RATING: 4 star
Tell him why your NOT buying......
1. TSX's have the higher ratings obviously, especially for the driver. Every car ALWAYS has a driver, but not always a passenger, ESPECIALLY if your kids drive one.
2. I'm only 17, but I'd imagine i'd rather let my kids drive a I4 TSX than a I6 Bimmer, 6 Cylinders are gonna push more torque than 4 cylinders.
3. Unlike a Bimmer, TSX's don't break half as often, and has half the rattles/problems bimmers usually has.
4. Better Gas Mileage
5. Better Nav System/Everything Inside (325 interiors feel fake while TSX interiors feel more real), everything can be voice commanded
6. No racist salespeople /w 100% full BS
He should've pointed out other stuff that would actually appeal like faster car, free maintainance, not some BS about safety...... after all bimmers arent volvos =)
NHTSA CRASH TEST RESULTS:
TSX
Frontal crash ratings:
Driver: 5 star - Passenger: 5star
Side crash ratings:
Driver: 5 star - Rear Passenger: 4star
NHTSA ROLLOVER RESISTANCE RATING: 4 star
BMW
Frontal crash ratings:
Driver: 4 star - Passenger: 5star
Side crash ratings:
Driver: 3 star - Rear Passenger: 5star
NHTSA ROLLOVER RESISTANCE RATING: 4 star
Tell him why your NOT buying......
1. TSX's have the higher ratings obviously, especially for the driver. Every car ALWAYS has a driver, but not always a passenger, ESPECIALLY if your kids drive one.
2. I'm only 17, but I'd imagine i'd rather let my kids drive a I4 TSX than a I6 Bimmer, 6 Cylinders are gonna push more torque than 4 cylinders.
3. Unlike a Bimmer, TSX's don't break half as often, and has half the rattles/problems bimmers usually has.
4. Better Gas Mileage
5. Better Nav System/Everything Inside (325 interiors feel fake while TSX interiors feel more real), everything can be voice commanded
6. No racist salespeople /w 100% full BS
He should've pointed out other stuff that would actually appeal like faster car, free maintainance, not some BS about safety...... after all bimmers arent volvos =)
I dun agree with your point.
1, You love your passenger more than yourself if the passenages are your family member such as your kids. So I really care about the safety for the rear seat as well as the passenage seat.
2, I won't let my kids drive my bimmer not because it has more torque than my TSX(actually I dun feel it is really that much), I won't let them drive or even travel on my bimmer because I dun want them get stuck in the middle of somewhat and waiting for road side assistance to tow that broken down POS.
3, Bimmer wilkl break down at least 12X more than TSX not 2X. Actually, can I say infinityX instead? because the equation should be n divided by zero.
4, Actually, bimmer use less gas than TSX since I can refuse to rev it high and drive it spiritraly on my TSX but I am always afriad am I break the engine, tranny or suspension if I push my bimmer too hard.
5, Can't comment on the Navi but my bimmer also has a voice commanded trunk lock. It has intellegent that it won't open by the key, button inside or outside but you can ask her to open just by the spell "sasume open" thats it. But then it will open by no reason some time even you didn't say the spell! Is that cool!
6, I dun think Volvo is ne safer than bimmer. Volvo may be safe to protect on a anncident but the sluggish response of this tank is the cause of the accident. At least BMW & TSX have the ability to avoid the accident happend.
#49
Originally Posted by ianS
I dun agree with your point.
1, You love your passenger more than yourself if the passenages are your family member such as your kids. So I really care about the safety for the rear seat as well as the passenage seat.
2, I won't let my kids drive my bimmer not because it has more torque than my TSX(actually I dun feel it is really that much), I won't let them drive or even travel on my bimmer because I dun want them get stuck in the middle of somewhat and waiting for road side assistance to tow that broken down POS.
3, Bimmer wilkl break down at least 12X more than TSX not 2X. Actually, can I say infinityX instead? because the equation should be n divided by zero.
4, Actually, bimmer use less gas than TSX since I can refuse to rev it high and drive it spiritraly on my TSX but I am always afriad am I break the engine, tranny or suspension if I push my bimmer too hard.
5, Can't comment on the Navi but my bimmer also has a voice commanded trunk lock. It has intellegent that it won't open by the key, button inside or outside but you can ask her to open just by the spell "sasume open" thats it. But then it will open by no reason some time even you didn't say the spell! Is that cool!
6, I dun think Volvo is ne safer than bimmer. Volvo may be safe to protect on a anncident but the sluggish response of this tank is the cause of the accident. At least BMW & TSX have the ability to avoid the accident happend.
1, You love your passenger more than yourself if the passenages are your family member such as your kids. So I really care about the safety for the rear seat as well as the passenage seat.
2, I won't let my kids drive my bimmer not because it has more torque than my TSX(actually I dun feel it is really that much), I won't let them drive or even travel on my bimmer because I dun want them get stuck in the middle of somewhat and waiting for road side assistance to tow that broken down POS.
3, Bimmer wilkl break down at least 12X more than TSX not 2X. Actually, can I say infinityX instead? because the equation should be n divided by zero.
4, Actually, bimmer use less gas than TSX since I can refuse to rev it high and drive it spiritraly on my TSX but I am always afriad am I break the engine, tranny or suspension if I push my bimmer too hard.
5, Can't comment on the Navi but my bimmer also has a voice commanded trunk lock. It has intellegent that it won't open by the key, button inside or outside but you can ask her to open just by the spell "sasume open" thats it. But then it will open by no reason some time even you didn't say the spell! Is that cool!
6, I dun think Volvo is ne safer than bimmer. Volvo may be safe to protect on a anncident but the sluggish response of this tank is the cause of the accident. At least BMW & TSX have the ability to avoid the accident happend.
I do agree.......
1. 4 Star kicks 3 star ass + if bimmer is work car, your the one sitting in it day in day out, and ur wife/kids are sitting in another car going to school therefore, noone in a passenger seat. Or if your kids/wife is driving it, he/she is sitting in the drivers seat, not the passenger one. So as probability puts it, theres more chance to get into an accident when theres only a driver than a full carload. True, you do care about your family members, but think of what'll happen if your gone..... will they be better or worse off?
2. Very true, but BMW drivers always drive faster, I'm a kid, so I know most kids /w BMW tends to fire that baby up, so even if you don't, your kids probably will especially if their friends are in the car. 3.0L vs 2.4L HUMMM....... But I give ya that point haha they do break down like insane haha. My friend just put his bimmer in service for issues /w power steering...... tisk tisk tisk.....
3. See end #2 (especially 3.0L vs 2.4L)
4. Im just running off EPA results dude everyone drives differently they just have an average plus once again, 3.0L vs. 2.4L no brainer
5. Trunk lock is great, but i've got cities, street names, phone books, points of interest, calling, climate (every aspect), and radio. Plus a few more here and there Usually when i needa open my trunk, i push a button on my key fob since....... i dont really condone opening the trunk while driving
6. Well, theyre not really THAT slow haha 215 under the hood turbo'ed 5cyls + most people dont choose to crash into those things XD
#52
Originally Posted by afici0nad0
^
the process has already begun...
the process has already begun...
Can you imagine what kind of trouble AZ could be in if some of you fools retaliated in some pervasive way and they found out the e-mail adress was supplied through us? I wouldn't want to put AZ through that type of risk.
Otherwise, I can totally relate to the fact that the guy's unprofessionalist attitude would do no better than shut him doors in the future. I stepped out of an MB dealership for much less than that last fall when I was in the process of buying the Smart.
#53
^^^ exactly. Trust me, no good can come from mail bombing someone 'cept getting your service terminated, possibly fines if the isp and/or business wants to pursue further action plus in addition to that you're bringing yourself down to their level.
Just do what someone said, forward the email to bmw's corp head office and let it go.
Just do what someone said, forward the email to bmw's corp head office and let it go.
#54
Bombarding his inbox isn't a good idea - no need to resort to such tactics. Just because the salesman fired off an unprofessional email doesn't mean any AZers need to lower ourselves down to his level.
Just forward his email to BMW corporate as well as his boss and state how appalled you are at his response.
Just forward his email to BMW corporate as well as his boss and state how appalled you are at his response.
#56
My BMW salesman experience wasn't great either. He explained carefully and slowly that, at the upcoming customer satisfaction evaluation by mail, I would better give them all top marks; it would allow him to get 100$. This is what he explained to me but I had another version and it differentiates slightly but in the fact that salesman gets bonus over customer satisfaction.
Anyway, very *unprofessional*. And I bet he didn't get that 100$.
Anyway, very *unprofessional*. And I bet he didn't get that 100$.
#57
Originally Posted by sauceman
Not a good idea. I would actually plead you to stop it now.
Can you imagine what kind of trouble AZ could be in if some of you fools retaliated in some pervasive way and they found out the e-mail adress was supplied through us? I wouldn't want to put AZ through that type of risk.
Otherwise, I can totally relate to the fact that the guy's unprofessionalist attitude would do no better than shut him doors in the future. I stepped out of an MB dealership for much less than that last fall when I was in the process of buying the Smart.
Can you imagine what kind of trouble AZ could be in if some of you fools retaliated in some pervasive way and they found out the e-mail adress was supplied through us? I wouldn't want to put AZ through that type of risk.
Otherwise, I can totally relate to the fact that the guy's unprofessionalist attitude would do no better than shut him doors in the future. I stepped out of an MB dealership for much less than that last fall when I was in the process of buying the Smart.
i was only playing...
i haven't done anything. that was all talk.
#58
Originally Posted by gdcwatt
Last weekend, after comparing the Canadian BMW 323i 6MT and the Acura TSX 6MT, my wife finally drove the TSX, and I had a chance to reaquaint myself with the car, having last driven one almost a year ago. I was neutral between the two cars, but I objected in principle to the detuned BMW 2.5L engine, down a whopping 44hp vs it's European counterpart, and the car's run-flat tires, for several reasons. The clincher was my that wife felt better about driving the TSX, and we ordered one (RBP), regardless of standard vs optional features. By the way, I test drove a 325i 6AT in 5" of virgin show, and that car works just fine in the white stuff.
Yesterday, I sent an e-mail to the BMW salesman, to let him know that we had turned down the BMW in favour of the equivalent cost TSX. This was his sour-grapes response:
First and foremost I wish you good luck with your new car. When it comes to technology and safety one can not compare a Japanese made car to a German one - the structual integraty (sp) is far superior in a BMW for sure - Japanese car fold like a sardine can in an accident - I personally would never let my children drive one of them for safety reasons alone - let alone the braking and steering is completely different qualities ---- air bags do not help when your car crunches up as ALL JAP CARS DO ---BEST OF LUCK
I think the 323i is a great car, but if that's how they have to sell them, now I know we've made the right choice.
Yesterday, I sent an e-mail to the BMW salesman, to let him know that we had turned down the BMW in favour of the equivalent cost TSX. This was his sour-grapes response:
First and foremost I wish you good luck with your new car. When it comes to technology and safety one can not compare a Japanese made car to a German one - the structual integraty (sp) is far superior in a BMW for sure - Japanese car fold like a sardine can in an accident - I personally would never let my children drive one of them for safety reasons alone - let alone the braking and steering is completely different qualities ---- air bags do not help when your car crunches up as ALL JAP CARS DO ---BEST OF LUCK
I think the 323i is a great car, but if that's how they have to sell them, now I know we've made the right choice.
what a fool. I will stand by Acura's safety engineering. Look at my thread here. Sure, my back hurts a bit, but I am alive. Those pictures (as well as many others in the TL forum) with the survivors alone show that the cars are designed with the occupent safety in mind - it is the number one priority of Honda/Acura, I am sure.
#59
Originally Posted by ianS
I dun agree with your point.
1, You love your passenger more than yourself if the passenages are your family member such as your kids. So I really care about the safety for the rear seat as well as the passenage seat.
2, I won't let my kids drive my bimmer not because it has more torque than my TSX(actually I dun feel it is really that much), I won't let them drive or even travel on my bimmer because I dun want them get stuck in the middle of somewhat and waiting for road side assistance to tow that broken down POS.
3, Bimmer wilkl break down at least 12X more than TSX not 2X. Actually, can I say infinityX instead? because the equation should be n divided by zero.
4, Actually, bimmer use less gas than TSX since I can refuse to rev it high and drive it spiritraly on my TSX but I am always afriad am I break the engine, tranny or suspension if I push my bimmer too hard.
5, Can't comment on the Navi but my bimmer also has a voice commanded trunk lock. It has intellegent that it won't open by the key, button inside or outside but you can ask her to open just by the spell "sasume open" thats it. But then it will open by no reason some time even you didn't say the spell! Is that cool!
6, I dun think Volvo is ne safer than bimmer. Volvo may be safe to protect on a anncident but the sluggish response of this tank is the cause of the accident. At least BMW & TSX have the ability to avoid the accident happend.
1, You love your passenger more than yourself if the passenages are your family member such as your kids. So I really care about the safety for the rear seat as well as the passenage seat.
2, I won't let my kids drive my bimmer not because it has more torque than my TSX(actually I dun feel it is really that much), I won't let them drive or even travel on my bimmer because I dun want them get stuck in the middle of somewhat and waiting for road side assistance to tow that broken down POS.
3, Bimmer wilkl break down at least 12X more than TSX not 2X. Actually, can I say infinityX instead? because the equation should be n divided by zero.
4, Actually, bimmer use less gas than TSX since I can refuse to rev it high and drive it spiritraly on my TSX but I am always afriad am I break the engine, tranny or suspension if I push my bimmer too hard.
5, Can't comment on the Navi but my bimmer also has a voice commanded trunk lock. It has intellegent that it won't open by the key, button inside or outside but you can ask her to open just by the spell "sasume open" thats it. But then it will open by no reason some time even you didn't say the spell! Is that cool!
6, I dun think Volvo is ne safer than bimmer. Volvo may be safe to protect on a anncident but the sluggish response of this tank is the cause of the accident. At least BMW & TSX have the ability to avoid the accident happend.
wow, can we please type a little bit better so we don't have to translate to english?
i know BMWs quality isn't fantastic lately, and I am certainly not a fan of them right now, but how can you say you can't push your BMW too hard? That's crazy. My dad has one, and he pushes it all the time. Yes, BMWs have quality issues, but people who criticize BMW exaggerate a little too much these days.
And Volvo, you cannot question their safety. That's just an absurd remark.
#61
I had the same experience with our Infiniti sales man last year. I was looking into getting the G35, and I mentioned to him that I am also looking to get the TSX, he told me the TSX is nothing but a "big Honda Civic". Of course, after that remark, I went ahead and ordered the TSX and have never went back to that dealership again. They can sell their big "Nissan Sentra" to somebody else.
#62
Originally Posted by narci
Send a copy of the email to BMW's head office. 'JAP' is widely known as to be a racist term just like the 'N' word for african americans ir the 'C' word for chinese.
#63
^
haha... sucks, but it happens.
the best experience i had was with Markham Subaru, and the sales rep, phillip crosby.
totally professional and very helpful (but not aggressive). i visited the dealership after i bought the tsx. he saw the car, and commented on how excellent the car was.
following our little conversation, he asked me to take a look at the cars in the showroom, asked about what i was interested in (i told him either a sti or lgt), and just told me to browse around, and if i had any questions to just holler.
i would definitely check out markham subaru if i was even remotely interested in another car...
haha... sucks, but it happens.
the best experience i had was with Markham Subaru, and the sales rep, phillip crosby.
totally professional and very helpful (but not aggressive). i visited the dealership after i bought the tsx. he saw the car, and commented on how excellent the car was.
following our little conversation, he asked me to take a look at the cars in the showroom, asked about what i was interested in (i told him either a sti or lgt), and just told me to browse around, and if i had any questions to just holler.
i would definitely check out markham subaru if i was even remotely interested in another car...
#66
Originally Posted by narci
Send a copy of the email to BMW's head office. 'JAP' is widely known as to be a racist term just like the 'N' word for african americans ir the 'C' word for chinese.
#67
That guy's email...
...is unbelievable. That should be grounds for him getting launched into the street.
You can NEVER badmouth a competitor's vehicle to a customer if said customer is actually considering it with your vehicle. It is just in bad taste to do so. A salesman would essentially be telling you that you are an idiot for even considering it.
You can spin your story to show your vehicle's positive attributes, but you better have your facts straight (as that guy clearly didn't).
If I had responded to this post sooner...I would have guaranteed it was an "old school" guy.
That dude pisses me off, just for being in the same industry and behaving like that. Unreal.
Diggs
You can NEVER badmouth a competitor's vehicle to a customer if said customer is actually considering it with your vehicle. It is just in bad taste to do so. A salesman would essentially be telling you that you are an idiot for even considering it.
You can spin your story to show your vehicle's positive attributes, but you better have your facts straight (as that guy clearly didn't).
If I had responded to this post sooner...I would have guaranteed it was an "old school" guy.
That dude pisses me off, just for being in the same industry and behaving like that. Unreal.
Diggs
#68
Originally Posted by bradykp
wow, can we please type a little bit better so we don't have to translate to english?
i know BMWs quality isn't fantastic lately, and I am certainly not a fan of them right now, but how can you say you can't push your BMW too hard? That's crazy. My dad has one, and he pushes it all the time. Yes, BMWs have quality issues, but people who criticize BMW exaggerate a little too much these days.
And Volvo, you cannot question their safety. That's just an absurd remark.
i know BMWs quality isn't fantastic lately, and I am certainly not a fan of them right now, but how can you say you can't push your BMW too hard? That's crazy. My dad has one, and he pushes it all the time. Yes, BMWs have quality issues, but people who criticize BMW exaggerate a little too much these days.
And Volvo, you cannot question their safety. That's just an absurd remark.
And I never said BMW didn't drive good, I just try to joke on its reliablity. I have love and hate on my BMW, I love to drive it but I also hate its frequent service visit. I have 3 control arms, 2 vanos unit, 2 tranny, nth sensors, 2 sunroofs, 1 air bump, 1 fuel bump, 1 parking brake assembly, 1 broken swaybar end link,...plus nth interior trim falling apart, ac, windows, door lock, pw seat, pw mirror issue and also very bad cracking & stitches out on leather seat. And now my trunk lock was just shooted. Am I getting a lemon? no at least I didn't get smoke on my engine, broken valve if revving to redline like all my neigthbour and my friends from the local bimmer board that having.
Yes, I can write good english and spelling. Sorry but I cannot help you. It is the internet, everyone have the right to write its opinon on the board, no matter with good english or not. And too bad that your country willing to hire and pay big money to someone like me that can't speak and write english to work for them. And too bad that someone that can't write english are driving the same car as you driving which is also coming from a country that won't speak english well too.
#69
Sorry for being a little off topic
Originally Posted by Colin
Naturally you're not going to make every sale. When I miss a sale, my thank you note is just like your suggested one. (yes, its a form letter, but I usually add a few things to personalize it....):
Dear Mr. Customer,
Just a short note to say “Thanks Again” for considering us in your recent car shopping experience. I’m sure your new "insert car" will be an excellent vehicle for years to come. I’ll try to keep in touch with you through my newsletters, and I hope you find the time to visit my web page at www.satoauto.com
Although we were unable to help you this time around, please remember me if someone in your family is looking for a new Honda or Acura. I've enclosed a few extra business cards just in case you know someone who wll appreciate my "low key" approach. I’m available at work (942-4555) and on my cellular (255-1255).
Aloha,
Colin A. Sato
Internet Sales Manager
Pflueger Acura
Dear Mr. Customer,
Just a short note to say “Thanks Again” for considering us in your recent car shopping experience. I’m sure your new "insert car" will be an excellent vehicle for years to come. I’ll try to keep in touch with you through my newsletters, and I hope you find the time to visit my web page at www.satoauto.com
Although we were unable to help you this time around, please remember me if someone in your family is looking for a new Honda or Acura. I've enclosed a few extra business cards just in case you know someone who wll appreciate my "low key" approach. I’m available at work (942-4555) and on my cellular (255-1255).
Aloha,
Colin A. Sato
Internet Sales Manager
Pflueger Acura
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...808931&q=acura
#70
Wouldn't it be a good idea for a Mod to remove the guys email address from the thread all together? All you need is some knucklehead to spam the guy and they will reference your website as where they got it...maybe even a BMW lover.
#71
Originally Posted by cusetsx
Wouldn't it be a good idea for a Mod to remove the guys email address from the thread all together? All you need is some knucklehead to spam the guy and they will reference your website as where they got it...maybe even a BMW lover.
#73
Originally Posted by ianS
Am I criticize? Someone that bashing it but without never owning it then it is criticize. I think I am giving out owner's feedback. I owned my E46 328i for 6yr and I also owned a S70 T5 for less than 2 yr before I traded it in for my bimmer plus I have a S70 GLT as a winter beater for 2 yr. I never have a single accident in my Prelude, TSX and my bimmer but I have 5 accidents in Volvo. It is a tank with extreme slow response and very serious turbo lag and torque steer as well as crazy under steer plus unbelievable bad handling . Also I never think it is ne safer than a Civic. Its sheet metal is damn so light, even my daughter asked me is this car made in aluminum foil! And I didn't mention how bad is the quality and how worst was it drive. It is fast but that's it. Driving this tank on the street is asking for accident.
And I never said BMW didn't drive good, I just try to joke on its reliablity. I have love and hate on my BMW, I love to drive it but I also hate its frequent service visit. I have 3 control arms, 2 vanos unit, 2 tranny, nth sensors, 2 sunroofs, 1 air bump, 1 fuel bump, 1 parking brake assembly, 1 broken swaybar end link,...plus nth interior trim falling apart, ac, windows, door lock, pw seat, pw mirror issue and also very bad cracking & stitches out on leather seat. And now my trunk lock was just shooted. Am I getting a lemon? no at least I didn't get smoke on my engine, broken valve if revving to redline like all my neigthbour and my friends from the local bimmer board that having.
Yes, I can write good english and spelling. Sorry but I cannot help you. It is the internet, everyone have the right to write its opinon on the board, no matter with good english or not. And too bad that your country willing to hire and pay big money to someone like me that can't speak and write english to work for them. And too bad that someone that can't write english are driving the same car as you driving which is also coming from a country that won't speak english well too.
And I never said BMW didn't drive good, I just try to joke on its reliablity. I have love and hate on my BMW, I love to drive it but I also hate its frequent service visit. I have 3 control arms, 2 vanos unit, 2 tranny, nth sensors, 2 sunroofs, 1 air bump, 1 fuel bump, 1 parking brake assembly, 1 broken swaybar end link,...plus nth interior trim falling apart, ac, windows, door lock, pw seat, pw mirror issue and also very bad cracking & stitches out on leather seat. And now my trunk lock was just shooted. Am I getting a lemon? no at least I didn't get smoke on my engine, broken valve if revving to redline like all my neigthbour and my friends from the local bimmer board that having.
Yes, I can write good english and spelling. Sorry but I cannot help you. It is the internet, everyone have the right to write its opinon on the board, no matter with good english or not. And too bad that your country willing to hire and pay big money to someone like me that can't speak and write english to work for them. And too bad that someone that can't write english are driving the same car as you driving which is also coming from a country that won't speak english well too.
I didn't mean that people who don't speak english shouldn't drive the same car, i was just asking if you could write more clearly, as it's difficult to fully understand your points, when I cannot tell exactly what you said.
It sounds as though you have a lemon in that BMW. I know BMWs spend a lot of time in service visits, but I know plenty of people with them who don't have all these problems. I guess it's just luck of the draw with them. When you don't have problems, it is a fantastic machine to drive. I personally would not buy a BMW right now, but in the future, I would consider it. As for volvo, i obviously don't know the accidents you speak of, and the s70 is a tank, as are all cars that large, but I have known many volvos in my area, and they're pretty darn good for safety. You just cannot deny that, it's been tested consistently. If you're getting in a lot of accidents with it, you're still alive so it's doing it's job. I don't think they were really built to be performance cars. I know what you mean about avoiding some accidents with performance, but you can avoid most accidents with just general defensive driving.
#74
Originally Posted by bradykp
I didn't mean that people who don't speak english shouldn't drive the same car, i was just asking if you could write more clearly, as it's difficult to fully understand your points, when I cannot tell exactly what you said.
It sounds as though you have a lemon in that BMW. I know BMWs spend a lot of time in service visits, but I know plenty of people with them who don't have all these problems. I guess it's just luck of the draw with them. When you don't have problems, it is a fantastic machine to drive. I personally would not buy a BMW right now, but in the future, I would consider it. As for volvo, i obviously don't know the accidents you speak of, and the s70 is a tank, as are all cars that large, but I have known many volvos in my area, and they're pretty darn good for safety. You just cannot deny that, it's been tested consistently. If you're getting in a lot of accidents with it, you're still alive so it's doing it's job. I don't think they were really built to be performance cars. I know what you mean about avoiding some accidents with performance, but you can avoid most accidents with just general defensive driving.
It sounds as though you have a lemon in that BMW. I know BMWs spend a lot of time in service visits, but I know plenty of people with them who don't have all these problems. I guess it's just luck of the draw with them. When you don't have problems, it is a fantastic machine to drive. I personally would not buy a BMW right now, but in the future, I would consider it. As for volvo, i obviously don't know the accidents you speak of, and the s70 is a tank, as are all cars that large, but I have known many volvos in my area, and they're pretty darn good for safety. You just cannot deny that, it's been tested consistently. If you're getting in a lot of accidents with it, you're still alive so it's doing it's job. I don't think they were really built to be performance cars. I know what you mean about avoiding some accidents with performance, but you can avoid most accidents with just general defensive driving.
Even my mom hate her Volvo and got into accidents 3 times and she was having problem to trade it in. So that's why it is sitting in my driveway as my winter beater but after another 2 accidents in that POS, I am scare to drive it anymore. Yes, my mom and I bought it because of its reputation of saftey but we are so disapointed. Go try open & close the door of a Volvo and then compare it to TSX or BMW, you will able to tell TSX & BMW is 10000X more solid than Volvo.
#76
i don't see why this is THAT big of a problem. he got what he deserved, which was a no-sale. if you wanted to hit him where it really hurts (his wallet!) then get Acura salesman to fax over a copy of his slip showing his commission on the TSX sale.
#77
My grandfather is in the middle of purchasing a 06' Buick Lucerne. I went to the dealership with him last monday to look around and find the one he wanted. I was over at the display looking for a brochure and overheard a near by sales person. There was a young family talking about the other car they were also looking at. It was a 05' Acura TL. The sales guy started bad mouthing the Brand. He was telling them they were very expensive and horrible maintenance wise. Pritty much leading them to believe Acura's are money pits. It took all of my strength not to say something to them while they were waiting for him to come back. I have only had my 03' CL for 6 months and have had no problems.
Also, when we were talking to our sales guy we got on the topic of divorce and how prevalent it is today. He tells us he would murder his wife before he ever divorced her. He probably said it 9 times. Weird....
Also, when we were talking to our sales guy we got on the topic of divorce and how prevalent it is today. He tells us he would murder his wife before he ever divorced her. He probably said it 9 times. Weird....
#78
Originally Posted by ianS
Volvo may be safe to protect on a anncident but the sluggish response of this tank is the cause of the accident. At least BMW & TSX have the ability to avoid the accident happend.
#79
Originally Posted by billabong05
Also, when we were talking to our sales guy we got on the topic of divorce and how prevalent it is today. He tells us he would murder his wife before he ever divorced her. He probably said it 9 times. Weird....
what type of sales tactic would you consider that as? sympathy?... i don't know.
#80
Originally Posted by waterrockets
Ummm, my wife's V70 MOVES OUT. It's not a slow car. It's not as tight handling as my TSX, but it's close enough that the driver would make the difference in most cases, not the car (i.e. in the Volvo, I could out-drive your mom if she was driving my TSX)