justinnum1

Read this from auto spies.

http://www.autospies.com/article/ind...&categoryId=10

biker

I said this news would make it to Autospies in the PW fest of last week when the oracle spilled the beans.

Jason

Put me down for that TL right now. Or do I want the RL? Hmm...

tony4311

an option? Man that would jack the price up and people bitch about it being too high already.

biker

Other than marketing hype and keeping up with the competition I just don't see it. The FWD layout is already fairly good in the snow so what would be the selling point of an AWD? Without more power it would be slower, more expensive to buy/ own and have worse milage.
Good thing it will be an option unlike the RL where you don't get a choice.

Dan Martin

haha biker I award 10 points to you for predicting the autospies report.

BTW that's one fantastic report. One sentence!

ABP-CL9-TSX

I'll have to see to believe...

tony4311

turbotk

What they need to do is put the 220hp jspec engine in and then put in AWD for a better launch then all you would need is a nice turbo kit and the tsx would perform how it looks.

iamhomin

I would always drive an AWD over a FWD car, for numerous amount of reasons.

Of course the prices will be "jacked up",and of course it'll be more lethargic if the engine power is the same as it is, but it's more of a luxurious--comfort feature.

And obviously, Acura's approach is to keep their loyalists content while leveling with their competitors.

provench

My opinion .... don't waste time putting AWD on the TSX unless it is in the form of hybrid with more power to the rear wheels and 40+MPG .... that would be my next car if it came out (my guess is it will, just a matter of time).

SH-AWD on TSX? Don't think so ... now the TL on the other hand

captainjack

Who do you think told 'em?

ClutchPerformer

Never thought I'd trade Tish in early, but.....

dom

With in depth reporting like that no wonder Autospies is THE Authority when it comes to automotive news

The title of the report is longer than the content. I'm more inclined to go out and buy an Infiniti FX45 than I am to wait for an AWD TL now.

justinnum1, this is why you wanted to know how to start a thread? I wish provench had'nt told you how to start a thread after reading this

provench

tsxmaniac26

SH-AWD on TSX? Don't think so ... now the TL on the other hand [/B][/QUOTE]

they were talkin bout the RL not the TSX

Saintor_RENAMED

Why? AWD Euro Accord has been on sale in Asia for more than a year.

But AWD is overhyped. A marketing hype, most of it. A FWD car will be nimbler and more precise to drive at the limit.

provench

eh?

provench

Did you watch the SH-AWD video from Japan?

I don't think drivers of performance oriended AWD cars would agree. I have been in the Audi TT quattro and all I can say is ... that thing handles like it is on rails. Not sure the FWD version would be able to pull some of the same moves.

By the way - I do think it is overplayed to an extent ... but I would stop just short of saying FWD is better ... way short.

Saintor_RENAMED

I owned an Audi Quattro for three years. The SH-AWD is surely just another 'marketing feature' to help to swallow the huge price increase over the TL.

provench

Well - I am not going to sit here and defend an unreleased RL and its unreleased price. But I think it is safe to say that Acura has always done VERY well in pricing things lower than expected and lower than the competition. I doubt they introduced SH-AWD to just fill a price gap.

Did you hear the part about the SH-AWD car pulling close to 1.0g? Doesn't sound like a gimmick to me man ... just sounds like something you won't buy

Prediction ... 60% of the cars in 10 years will be AWD in one form or another.

Saintor_RENAMED

Traction has no relation whatsoever with lateral adhesion. BTW somebody surely took this bet 10-15 years ago and lost. There were more AWD cars models then than today!

Funny to see that Porsche new flagships GT, GT2 and GT3 don'T have AWD, neither Maybach. It is not even available on AMG, SL-R and S600.

fdl

Sorry i'm not up to par on the details of sh-awd. Is it similar to the NIssan awd where i can tranfer power to front or rear bias as needed? (i.e. have 90% of the power in the rear untill it needs more traction up front).

If this is the case, then its not a marketing gimick. You'll basically have rwd performance and awd traction in rain/snow.

provench

Yep ... and those cars probably don't have dual climate control either right? Because those things aren't appopriate on that type of a car ... neither is AWD ... for those cars that focus hugely on weight to power ratio and balance.

What that doesn't mean is that the mass market couldn't greatly benefit from the safety and performance of a light weight and cost effective AWD system ... especially if it is mated to an electric hybrid drivetrain.

And on the 10 year bet thing Come on man ...

provench

You should check it out fdl ... it can do all that the Nissan/Infiniti system can do in addition to lateral torque transfer (shift more torque to inside/outside wheels as needed).

It's great news for Honda/Acura ... no question about it.

civic4982

if you were going to turbo this car why would you want a 220HP jspec engine that has a higher compression ratio? if you don't want to build the engine, you're better off sticking with the USDM 200 HP motor with your bolt on boost.

ilitig8

The Porsche point makes no sense, considering the GT2 and GT3 are homalgamation cars and couldn't be AWD. The GT2 would be AWD if the race formula allowed it. Also given their missions the Maybach and the S class are the ones that make sense.

I agree with your basic point though. I do not think the majority of cars will be AWD in 10-15 years EXCEPT if gas/electric become the power train of choice which lends itself to AWD.

Bottom line the TSX with AWD would be a pig without a significant increase in HP.

Vandy

provench

Aha ... I knew my point was in there somewhere All kidding aside ... hybrid has to hit big and heavy in the next 3-5 years. It is emarrasing how little we have done to boost the average MPG on the street. Time to part those 8MPG suburbans folks ... I know my wife (who needs a minivan) would be quite happy to drive a 35mpg 7 passenger van around and with VCM and hybrid not sure we are far away at ALL. And oh yeah ... it would be AWD as well

ilitig8

Since I am looking for a car to travel in for work the Hybrids have me very curious, it would be nice to have the space (I carry a lot of stuff) of an SUV with good milage. I am inetersted in the RX400h BUT I plan to keep the car beyond 200k (40 a year) and I am afraid of the 100k+ issues that might crop up on early hybrids. Plus the milage advantage is worst on the highway. I hate it but looks like I will pass on the hybrid this time.

Vandy

phile

From what I can get from the literature of both automakers, the AWD system in the JDM Nissan Skyline doesn't actually transfer power, it cuts off power to the wheel with the weakest traction. The SH-AWD system from Honda adds power to the wheel with the most traction, i.e. the Nissan only cuts off power from one wheel, the Honda cuts off power and then transfers it to another wheel.

phile

I certainly hope so...you'd be crazy to pick a pricier RL over a TL if very little differentiated the two.

JTso

iTrader: (2)

C&D article on the AWD...

kaikai114

i'm gon trade in my tsx for that sh-awd tsx if this is true and hopefully it'll be out soon

slo007

Have an A6 Avant Quattro... the system is awesome and holds the car great in deep snow. But the car weights too much and gas mileage is very poor at 17 mpg. In tight turns, the tires won't even make noise, and the car stays flat on the ground. Too bad the value of the car is terrible. :P

TSX noob

Subaru Legacy GT 250 hp @ 6,000 rpm, 250 lb.-ft @ 3,600 rpm and it's less than $30k