jeffreytchui

So i`m doinging my Euro R conversion and looking for a new Honda FOB key when I stumbled over this on Ebay:Germany.



Its a UNIVERSAL VW/AUDI style key fob!!!!!!!
AMAZING what germans can do! I wonder if it works on my TSX?

For all you electrical engineers here are the specs. Its all in German?

Modell MS-312
Markteinführung Februar 2004
UVP ca. 119,- EURO
Betriebsspannung 12 Volt
Stromverbrauch 8 mA
Handsender Frequenz 433,9 MHz
Hanssender Reichweite über 70 Meter

Here is the list of cars it works on (the HONDA ACCORD is listed as one) YES!

"RHINO Funkfernbedienungen und Alarmanlagen sind für folgende Fahrzeuge unter anderem bestens geeignet:

AC Cobra

Alfa Romeo 145, 146, 147, 155, 156, 164, 166, 33, 75, 90, Alfasud, Alfetta, Giulietta, GTV Spider, RZ
Audi 100, 200, 50, 80, 90, A2, A3, A4, A6, A8, Allroad, Cabriolet, Coupe, Quatro, RS, S2, S3, S4, S6, S8, TT, V8
Bentley
BMW 315, 316, 318, 320, 323, 324, 325, 328, 330, 518, 520, 523, 524, 525, 528, 530, 535, 540, 628, 633, 635, 725, 728, 730, 732, 735, 740, 745, 750, 760, 840, 850, B7, M1, M3, M5, X5, Z1, Z3, Z4, Z8
Buick,
Cadillac,
Chevrolet,
Chrysler Viper, Voyager
Citroen AX, Belingo, BX, CX, Evansion, Saxo, Xantia, XM, Xsara, ZX,

Daewoo,
Daihatsu
Fiat 124 Coupe, Spider, 126, 127, 130, 131, 242, 500, Barchetta, Brava, Bravo, Campagniola, Cinquecento, Croma, Dino, Doblo, Ducato, Duna, Fiorino, Marena, Marengo, Maxi, Multipla, Palio, Panda, Penny, Punto
Ford Cougar, Escort, Explorer, Fiesta, Focus, Galaxy, Ka, Maverick, Mondeo, Mustang, Probe, Puma, Scorpio, Scorpio, Transit
GMC
Honda Accord, Civic, Concerto, CR-V, NSX, Shuttle, Legend, PreludeHummer
Hyundai Isuzu,

Jaguar Daimler, XJ6, XJ40 V12 , XJS V12,
Jeep Cherokee, CJ5, CJ7, CJ8, Grand Cherokee, Renegade, Willy, Wrangler
Kia, Lada Niva, Nova, Samara, carnival
Lancia Delta, Kappa, Prisma, Thema, Zeta, Beta, Startos, Zeta, Gamma
Land Rover Landrover, Defender,Discovery, Freelander, Range Rover, Rangerover
Mazda 121, 323, MX5, MX6, 626, Demio, MPV, MX3, RX7, Xedos

Mercedes Benz, A-Klasse, C-Klasse, E-Klasse, Transporter, Vito, SLK, SL55, SL500, SL300, A140, A160, A170, A190, Actros, Atego, C180, C200, C220, C230, C240, C250, C270, C280, C32 AMG, C320, C36 AMG, C43 AMG, CE200, CE300, CL, CLK, CLK 55 AMG, E200, E220, E230, E240, E250, E260, E270, E280, E290, E300, E320, E36 AMG, E420, E430, E50, E500, E55, LKW, MB100, ML230, ML270, ML320, ML350, ML400, ML430, ML500, ML55 AMG, S280, S300, S320, S350, S400, S420, S430, S500, S55, S560, S600, SL280, SL300, SL320, SL350, SL380, SL420, SL450, SL500, SL55 AMG, SL560, SL600, SLK230, SLK32 AMG, SLK320, SLR, Sprinter, V220, Vario, Vita, 190, 200, 220
Mini Cooper
Mitsubishi 3000GT, Colt, Lancer, Eclipse, Galant, L200, Pajero, Sigma, Space Gear, Space Runner, Space Wagon, Carisma, Galloper,

Nissan 100NX, 200SX, 300SX, Almera, Micra, Maxima, Serena, Patrol, Primera, Silvia, Terrano II,
Opel Agila, Frontera, Monterey, Monza, Omega, Senator, Corsa, Astra, Vectra, Omega, Calibra, Kadett, Sintra, Tigra
Peugeot 106,806,206,306,405,406,205..
Porsche 911, 944, 968, Boxster,Proton,
Renault Alpine, V6, Avantime, Clio, Espace, Express, Fuego, Grand Espace, Kangoo, Laguna, Mascott, Master, Megane, P1400, R11, R14, R18, R19, R20, R21, R25, R30, R4, R5, R6, R9, Rapid, Safrane, Scenic, Spider, Super 5, Trafic, Twingo, Vel Satis
Seat Ibiza, Toledo, Cordoba, Alhambra, Arosa

Skoda Felica, Oktavia, Fabia
Subaru Justy, Forester
Suzuki Baleno, Swift, Vitara
Toyota Avensis, Carina, Corolla, Celica, Land Cruiser, Rav4, Picnic, Previa, MR2, Paseo
VW Polo, Golf 1, 2, 3, 4, Sharan, Jetta, Passat, Polo, Lupo, Corrado, Käfer, Beetle, Bora, T1 T2 T3 T4 T5, Scirocco, Vento
Volvo C70, S70, V70, S80"

We all know the CL9 TSX is really a CL9 Accord in Germany. I hope it works,I would order one, and its only 75 Euro!!!!!!!

More info? do a google search for Rhino MS-312
There are other models too, try MS-211A

Dan Martin

[QUOTE=jeffreytchui and its only 75 Euro!!!!!!! [/QUOTE]

That's $98.25US / $122.25CDN

It looks cool and all but that's a lot of money if you ask me.

iamhomin

Meh.

Unless it's laser, I'm not interested.

DCyamaha

our acura keys have microchips in them. have fun trying to get the chip into one of those.

TinkyWinky

If it's universal, would it not already have a chip in there that is programmable?

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

Who knows. Maybe the Accords in Europe don't use the transponder chip.

moda_way

Don't know if any of you have taken a look at programming a new key to work in the car, but SERIOUS PIA.

03CoupeV6

My all time favorite key/remote for any vehicle is MB SmartKey, hands down.

kurt_bradley

It won't work for our cars. You have to have the key cut at a Honda/Acura dealer. The key cutters used for Hondas are not laser driven as the ones for MBs and Audis are. You actually have to order replacement keys in from Germany. They aren't on demand as our keys are. The immobilizer chips are also of a different design in European makes, which makes the programming process different than our cars (or nearly impossible). In other words, you can buy the key for fun, just don't expect to get it to work in your Honda.

elduderino

Kurt, since it lists Hondas, I am going out on a limb and saying that if the EU Hondas have Immobilizers (and I don't know that they do) then the same chip is used in the Hondas.

If a different chip is used, I still have an idea... do they sell an aftermarket immobilizer that works off of this key? If they do, and you can get one, you can get one of those to trigger a remote start immobilizer bypass, still retain the same level of security as a remote start installation, and make it work.

supraken

iTrader: (1)

Actually the keys for the 04+ Civic (and probably the Accord) are all laser cut.....

but I think I would be more concerned with the radio frequency... probably different due to FCC standards....

As far as the immobilizer chip goes, I think it probably has one built in since it claims to support all those different cars....

a side question, what kinda 'chip' do they use for the newer keys? I know the older 'chip' is simply a resistor with a certain specific resistance

supraken

iTrader: (1)

ACtually, Jeff, if you're going to do a EuroR conversion, you might as well go with the smart acess system conversion......

Grayed

The new Honda Accords already come with an integrated key fob right? I wonder why they don't do that for future models of the Tsx....

SPUDMTN

Werd...

However, Acura's system on the RL takes the cake (and probably any Smart Access system). It's so cool to simply walk up to the car and just open the door, and turn the starter knob. What's even better is walking away from the car and not having to do anything...you want to go make sure it locked, but if you get too close again, it unlocks

jeffreytchui

You can choose the type of Key comes out of the switchblade. It is the A8 (Honda/Acura key) from Rhino. It is a complete replacement to the stock security system for 75 Euro you get 2 controlers and all the hardware (brain,wire harness, sensors and horn). I think its a good deal.

jeffreytchui

HAHA MUCH toooooooo expensive

TinkyWinky

Well, here's a stupid idea I just came up with.

What if you could make a rectangular enclosure (such as the one above) and have our TSX key fitted with some clever mechanism that will allow the key to pop in-n-out. This should take care of the immobilizer.

Getting the transponder function should be a piece of cake then, right?

jeffreytchui

well...................... Lets leave it to the Germans. Actually i believe the transponder chip is inside the Acura part of the key. Its gonna have to be one huge retagular enclosure. And also dont forget about the remote functions.

TinkyWinky

I referred to the remote lock/unlock/trunk/alarm functions of the key-fob as the transponder...since that is what these signals do.

My assumption is that as long as the car can detect the key (not key-fob), then the immobilizer will be disabled.

Anyway, if the key can rotate out (e.g., MB key fobs) then the enclosure would not need to be much larger than the dimensions of the key.

I know the crappy Acura key-fob issue has been debated ad nauseum in this forum, but I just can't stand seeing my scratched up keyfob.

rivvin

Is it true there's a chip on the key? I was told I couldn't make copies of the key. I can only order a new replacement through acura. If I use a copied key without the chip, the car won't start. Is that true????

MikeMa

That is correct. Someone told me they tried to start a friend's Odyssey with a cut key (as a joke....they'd move her van in the parking lot so she'd be confused as hell when she got off of work), and the key actually wouldn't come back out of the ignition. (the jamming part is unconfirmed, as he has lots of "stories", but the not starting part is definitely for sure)

Benz_05_TSX

iTrader: (1)

I don't think those keys are that cool.....not if we have to pay extra for it.....

People always thought we would get keys like the Benz and BMW, the laser ones, rather than a key itself.....since TSX is consider a NEW gen of car.....

DjElucid

but I don't understand why Honda accords would get a key and key fob in one but none of the acuras do????? what's missing?

I'm really about to write to honda and find out why? It just doesn't make any sense why their lower model cars would get the nicer key.

mg7726

^^ maybe they were smoking one day working on the accord design

i'm sure honda will put this in the next iteration of the tsx

Mokos23

that's still kind of dumb and ironic that the TSX is a Euro Accord but we don't have European "VW, Audi, and Mercedes" type fobs, but that they have fobs on the US Accords.

DjElucid

it seems like honda's got everything ass backwards.

jeffreytchui

Maybe the Japanese like seperate fobs?

NickR

Ahhhh. I miss my old VW key fob. It was great. Switchblade design is awesome. I wish they did a better job with the paint on the buttons. After about two years, it wears off, but I believe Audi has already fixed that.

dzuy

my regular acura key is just fine.

ianS

I think the Type R key fob is the best looking key fob.

GIBSON6594

Does the accord key allow to roll the windowns down with it?

youngTL

Yes it does.

NickR

w/ VW you could roll the windows up as well. it was nice when it was getting ready to rain

vwong

Do you leave your windows down when you park?

msandman

OK, maybe it looks cool, but I just switched from a Passat to a TSX and I like the TSX key + separate fob a lot better than the thick "switchblade" VW/Audi design. And.. after 6 years the VW battery section started to separate from the part that holds the key. I had to Scotch tape the thing back together.

Cool isn't always fuctional.

JTso

iTrader: (2)

Personally, I don't care for that clunky switchblade keyfob at all. I'd much prefer something like this...

madmanmax3000

i love the Lexus RX330 keyfob, very compact, but does everything you need

ndx2

check out this thread:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117050

apparently, the accord key fob works with TL... so im sure it'll work with TSX.

BlackAc036

I wasn't waiting for it, what's wrong w/ the regular key and transponder?

gusman

Those keys are the bomb. The great thing is that it is the fob AND the key in one smaller package. Half the hastle and have the space in my pocket