200HP Civic, What Does it Mean for the TSX?
02-10-2005, 11:50 AM
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200HP Civic, What Does it Mean for the TSX?
Now that its been confirmed that the 06 Civic Si will have 200HP
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=296227
Does it make logical sense for Acura to leave the 2006 TSX with 200HP. I know they are not directly competing and I know that this 200HP Civic will only come as a coupe while the Sedan will likley have ~160. But can Honda possibly have their entry level economy model make as much HP as their entry level luxury sedan?
I'd expect a 20HP boost for the TSX as soon as this fall.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=296227
Does it make logical sense for Acura to leave the 2006 TSX with 200HP. I know they are not directly competing and I know that this 200HP Civic will only come as a coupe while the Sedan will likley have ~160. But can Honda possibly have their entry level economy model make as much HP as their entry level luxury sedan?
I'd expect a 20HP boost for the TSX as soon as this fall.
02-10-2005, 12:08 PM
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I don't think it will have any direct effect on the TSX. They are targeted at different buyers like you hinted. It's like, let's say, a neon SRT4 having more horses than whatever dodge has that's more luxury (dunno shiet about dodge). If any, it'll be on the RSX but I don't think it's gonna happen at this point.
But I do believe that they will up the TSX hp by around 20-40hp in the next update like you said. With the new 2.0L 200hp A4, IS250, 325 coming out, it'll need some ups in the horses dept to make it a good competitor in the entry-lux sports sedan segment.
Wonder if they'll actually bring over a Civic TypeR....
But I do believe that they will up the TSX hp by around 20-40hp in the next update like you said. With the new 2.0L 200hp A4, IS250, 325 coming out, it'll need some ups in the horses dept to make it a good competitor in the entry-lux sports sedan segment.
Wonder if they'll actually bring over a Civic TypeR....
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02-10-2005, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Crafted
I'm not sure what impact the new Civic Si will have on the TSX, what I see the Si having an impact on is the RSX.
02-10-2005, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Well, with the RSX bowing out, that won't be much of a problem...
02-10-2005, 01:43 PM
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Maybe the new si will have that new 2.4L and the turbo Honda is unveiling as an option. If that is the case, and the TSX doesn't get much of a bump, I'm out. Time for a trade for sure. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
02-10-2005, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Precision Crafted
From what I've read the RSX is indeed gone. The Si and the TSX are indeed in two diffrent ball parks where as the RSX and Si would over lap. The RSX would have to add LSD to the mix and maybe some other lux features to have one choose it over the new Si.
The Si may have an LSD, at least the concept does. I'm betting the production Si will have it as well. I don't see Honda holding back much with the Si.
02-10-2005, 02:13 PM
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So the TSX becomes the lowest level Acura and gets rid of the boy racer image of the RSX. I think Honda just milked the RSX for this year until this Si came out. With the RSX out of the way Honda can also up the price on this Si to RSX levels. And I bet you'll be able to option out an Si as if it was an RSX.
But that 250HP turbo still has to fit in the picture somewhere and an S-type TSX makes the most sense.
But that 250HP turbo still has to fit in the picture somewhere and an S-type TSX makes the most sense.
02-10-2005, 02:19 PM
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So the TSX becomes the lowest level Acura and gets rid of the boy racer image of the RSX. I think Honda just milked the RSX for this year until this Si came out. With the RSX out of the way Honda can also up the price on this Si to RSX levels. And I bet you'll be able to option out an Si as if it was an RSX.
But that 250HP turbo still has to fit in the picture somewhere and an S-type TSX makes the most sense.
But that 250HP turbo still has to fit in the picture somewhere and an S-type TSX makes the most sense.
02-10-2005, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by domn
The Si may have an LSD, at least the concept does. I'm betting the production Si will have it as well. I don't see Honda holding back much with the Si.
LSD has been confirmed for production.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...3&postcount=37
02-10-2005, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Actually, I was thinking that the turbo motor might become the only motor for the TSX. Might cause a bump in price, but I think it'd be worth it for the power.
They should save it for a performance model as some may not want a turbo and would be quite happy with the engine the way it is.
02-10-2005, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jmf
Maybe the new si will have that new 2.4L and the turbo Honda is unveiling as an option. If that is the case, and the TSX doesn't get much of a bump, I'm out. Time for a trade for sure. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I'm pretty sure the new si will have the 2.0L k20 and not the TSX engine. They've confirmed an 8,000 rpm redline which I don't think would happen with our engine-
edit: ok i just reread your post and see you weren't specifically implying our engine. what new 2.4 L/turbo is in the works?
02-10-2005, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
But Acura has said that they are officially doing away with the Type-S moniker...
Around the time the JDM Accord came out, Honda of Japan showed "Beyond Type-R" Accord. That thing used IMA driving the rear wheels along with the k24a and produced somewhere in the neighborhood of 300hp!!
So a performance model could happen IF Honda sees a market for one and IF Honda finally realizes that such a car will not sell in high numbers (which they should know since the NSX came out when I was a freshman in high school).
02-10-2005, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by phirenze
I'm pretty sure the new si will have the 2.0L k20 and not the TSX engine. They've confirmed an 8,000 rpm redline which I don't think would happen with our engine-
edit: ok i just reread your post and see you weren't specifically implying our engine. what new 2.4 L/turbo is in the works?
edit: ok i just reread your post and see you weren't specifically implying our engine. what new 2.4 L/turbo is in the works?
02-10-2005, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by biker
So the TSX becomes the lowest level Acura and gets rid of the boy racer image of the RSX.
02-11-2005, 02:24 AM
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who would have thought a civic could cause so much controversy, speculation and uncertainty of other cars
sounds pathetic that a civic could endanger the rsx and tsx (well more likely the rsx than tsx) but still makes the tsx look more underpowered now
sounds pathetic that a civic could endanger the rsx and tsx (well more likely the rsx than tsx) but still makes the tsx look more underpowered now
02-11-2005, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jmf
I read somewhere that in addition to a turbo, honda was putting out a newer 2.4L (possibly a different platform with a higher redline) like the very tuneable k20 but with .4L more displacement. I am just speculating here, but they could use this engine for multiple applications just like the current K-series.
The TSX engine IS a K series. Just like the K20.
02-11-2005, 07:52 AM
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who would have thought a civic could cause so much controversy, speculation and uncertainty of other cars
sounds pathetic that a civic could endanger the rsx and tsx (well more likely the rsx than tsx) but still makes the tsx look more underpowered now
sounds pathetic that a civic could endanger the rsx and tsx (well more likely the rsx than tsx) but still makes the tsx look more underpowered now
I don't think anyone's suggested that the TSX is in any danger of falling sales because of a new Civic, I know I certainly didn't suggest that. The point of the thread is to speculate on a HP bump for the TSX.
I don't think anyone will be rushing to trade in their TSX's for a new Civic or begin cross shopping the two.
02-11-2005, 09:19 AM
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I don't think anyone's suggested that the TSX is in any danger of falling sales because of a new Civic, I know I certainly didn't suggest that. The point of the thread is to speculate on a HP bump for the TSX.
I don't think anyone will be rushing to trade in their TSX's for a new Civic or begin cross shopping the two.
I don't think anyone will be rushing to trade in their TSX's for a new Civic or begin cross shopping the two.
I'm just looking for a turbo-charged TSX by 2007 when the lease on my current one comes up. Then I'll step into the turbo version...
02-11-2005, 10:31 AM
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If the Civic is going to be more similar across the globe, maybe the Accord will too? So by MY08 the USDM Acord and Euro Accord will start to share more stuff including some of the look.
For the foreseable future a HP bump every couple of years seems to be the norm.
For the foreseable future a HP bump every couple of years seems to be the norm.
02-11-2005, 04:49 PM
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HP bump seems very realistic
between the RL and TL 300, 270; 30 HP gap, TL and TSX 270, 200; 70 HP gap
i can see the gap being closed to 30HP
TSX gets bumped to 240HP
then u got a 30 HP gap across the board
300 RL 270 TL 240 TSX 210 RSX
TSX will not be killed
its a great seller
after all the rave reviews and praising plus car and drivers 10 best doesn't seem logical to eliminate it
between the RL and TL 300, 270; 30 HP gap, TL and TSX 270, 200; 70 HP gap
i can see the gap being closed to 30HP
TSX gets bumped to 240HP
then u got a 30 HP gap across the board
300 RL 270 TL 240 TSX 210 RSX
TSX will not be killed
its a great seller
after all the rave reviews and praising plus car and drivers 10 best doesn't seem logical to eliminate it
02-11-2005, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sauceman
What are you talking about?
The TSX engine IS a K series. Just like the K20.
The TSX engine IS a K series. Just like the K20.
Remember, this is only speculation, and perhaps a little wishing as well.
02-11-2005, 09:13 PM
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I wouldn't worry. Honda's new i-vtec i (nope, not a typo) sports direct injection. IMO, you'd see that in the TSX before the Civic Si.
02-11-2005, 09:14 PM
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02-16-2005, 08:46 PM
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Honda Civic Si Concept Set to Make World Debut
by Mike Meredith
The Civic Si Concept gives a strong indication of the all-new production Civic Si to debut at SEMA in November 2005.
Honda is set to launch an entire line of redesigned Civics this fall and the Civic Si, as suggested by the Civic Si Concept shown here in Chicago, will be the performance leader.
Honda also announced that the world debut of the 2006 Civic Si will be at the 2005 SEMA Show where Honda will be Vehicle Manufacturer of the Year, with the 2006 Civic Si named Vehicle of the Show.
The Civic Si Concept pays tribute to 20 years of the Civic Si in the U.S. while at the same time providing a glimpse at the future of Civic.
The Civic Si Concept is powered by a 200-horsepower 16-valve DOHC i-VTEC engine with a 8,000 rpm red line and a 6-speed close ratio manual transmission. Performance is also improved by a helical-type limited slip differential, 18-inch cast aluminum wheels, 225/40R18 high-performance tires, and 4-wheel disc brakes with cross-drilled rotors and 4-piston Brembo calipers.
"The 2006 Civic Si Coupe will be the most powerful, fastest and fun-to-drive Si we've ever put on the street, and the Civic Si Concept set the direction in terms of its styling, package and performance," said John Mendel, senior vice president of American Honda.
The styling of the Civic Si Concept starts with a sweeping roofline and a long, sloped windshield that blends directly into the black painted hood. The front bumper and wide front wheel arches blend into the aggressive front fascia with a large center opening.
At the rear, the Civic Si Concept has a long trunk lid with a forward sloping bumper that integrates into the lower fascia. Mounted on the trunk lid is a large wing-type spoiler with two center mounting brackets. The lower fascia integrates an air diffuser with center exhaust outlet.
In addition to the Civic Si Coupe, the 2006 Civic lineup will also include a 4-door sedan, a 2-door coupe, a more fuel efficient Civic Hybrid, and a natural gas powered Civic GX.
The Civic Si Concept gives a strong indication of the all-new production Civic Si to debut at SEMA in November 2005.
Honda is set to launch an entire line of redesigned Civics this fall and the Civic Si, as suggested by the Civic Si Concept shown here in Chicago, will be the performance leader.
Honda also announced that the world debut of the 2006 Civic Si will be at the 2005 SEMA Show where Honda will be Vehicle Manufacturer of the Year, with the 2006 Civic Si named Vehicle of the Show.
The Civic Si Concept pays tribute to 20 years of the Civic Si in the U.S. while at the same time providing a glimpse at the future of Civic.
The Civic Si Concept is powered by a 200-horsepower 16-valve DOHC i-VTEC engine with a 8,000 rpm red line and a 6-speed close ratio manual transmission. Performance is also improved by a helical-type limited slip differential, 18-inch cast aluminum wheels, 225/40R18 high-performance tires, and 4-wheel disc brakes with cross-drilled rotors and 4-piston Brembo calipers.
"The 2006 Civic Si Coupe will be the most powerful, fastest and fun-to-drive Si we've ever put on the street, and the Civic Si Concept set the direction in terms of its styling, package and performance," said John Mendel, senior vice president of American Honda.
The styling of the Civic Si Concept starts with a sweeping roofline and a long, sloped windshield that blends directly into the black painted hood. The front bumper and wide front wheel arches blend into the aggressive front fascia with a large center opening.
At the rear, the Civic Si Concept has a long trunk lid with a forward sloping bumper that integrates into the lower fascia. Mounted on the trunk lid is a large wing-type spoiler with two center mounting brackets. The lower fascia integrates an air diffuser with center exhaust outlet.
In addition to the Civic Si Coupe, the 2006 Civic lineup will also include a 4-door sedan, a 2-door coupe, a more fuel efficient Civic Hybrid, and a natural gas powered Civic GX.
02-18-2005, 08:14 PM
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Like all Acura models, the TSX will get a boost in the HP area, but not because of the Civic SI, these two cars in a totally different market.
iamhomin, who's satisfied with his current 200 ponies.
iamhomin, who's satisfied with his current 200 ponies.
02-19-2005, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by n3ok318
maybe why they're thinking about turbo?
i will consider getting a factory turbo if one ever comes out.. and ONLY if the car can go faster than my friend's G35C
i will consider getting a factory turbo if one ever comes out.. and ONLY if the car can go faster than my friend's G35C
Why all this talk of a turboed from the factory TSX? Its never going to happen. Why do you think vtec was designed? Honda wants to make engines that get the most hp but not sacrafice fuel eco...Can you name one factory turboed Honda?
02-19-2005, 01:54 PM
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