The old standard is...

horse power = top end
torque = acceleration/ real world driving

I would go on to say i can picture that from a dead stop to maybe 120 the tsx would win, but from 0- 80 the altima for sure. But that would just be because of the lead that it got itself at the beginning.

Just get you and your friends to do some real life testing. I love car magazines and but i take alot of what they say as opinion - nothing can beat a test drive.
Its free.

 

I was gonna say that.

And when two facts come unfavarable to pick speed, now u know why the tsx might feel or even looses to the Altima.

By the way, most of the newer honda K series engines have decent torque figures.

 

I would say the Altima and TSX are not a fare comparison unless you talk about the SE-R. In that case the SE-R is a better value if perf is what you wont. On the other hand if luxury is your thing then the TSX is the car. If want both in one for just 2k more then the G35 is your car. I spent 28k for my G35 6MT. At that price the TSX has nav which is a waist of money anyway. Perf is far better in the G35. Luxury is the same though.

 

Nice price you paid for the G35.

I have a non-navi. And I cannot justify for the additional $2,000 for the navi system either. But I think the Navi is just like any technology product, i.e., cable, cellular phone, DSL ...etc -- nice and fun to have, but one never "need" it until one day he/she takes it for granted.

 

G35 luxury the same as a TSX? Maybe, and even then only in the newest model year - esp. 2007. Personally I find the G35 sedan unattractive and the coupe garish and would not buy either of them because of that (among other reasons) - again, this is my view as the sales figures of the G reflect there are plenty that disagree! :-P

You seem to be missing what makes the TSX so appealing for many of us, however. It is not about luxury. It is not about sportiness. It is not about fuel economy. It is not about looks. It is not about the price. It is not about reliability. It is about how well ALL of those things are balanced in the TSX to make a phenomenal package. Yes, there are one or more cars in every category I listed around the same price that are better in that category, but I have yet to learn of another car that does all of them so well at the same time.

"The TSX: not the best at anything (except being good at everything)."

A lot of people need/want to own something that is the "best" in at least one category, and more power to them. But some of us want the whole package, and none of us are "wrong" (not saying that's what you were implying - just saying it).

 

 

I guess that is what I was trying to say. The G35 is excellent at most everything except maybe luxury where it is on par or a little bit better thn the TSX. The bang for the buck in the G35 was far better. That said, the TL did a much better job at most everything compared to the G35 except engine/handeling. I personally almost bought a TL and then I read these forums about all the rattleing going on in the drivers cabin. The Engine/handeling advantages in the G35 far out weighed the over all package of the TL in my mind.

As for Looks, I can only say it is a matter of taste. I think the G35 looks far better and sporty then the TSX. The TSX in my mind looks a bit generic. Every car from honda looks exactly the same.

 

true.

which is why some feel the tsx is boring. nothing really stands out. it's just...balanced.

 

and refine! I dun need a car that go fast in the straight but shaking like earth quake after 4000 rpm!

 

... couldnt have said itbetter!

 

i had a 2001 altima. 2.4 L engine, with 155 hp, 160 lb ft torque i believe.


it was a lighter car too. the engine is torqueir but nissans generally are coarser engines. honestly the smoothness of a honda just makes it more of a pleasure to drive.

i've even owned a nissan with the vq35de (g35) and it still is rougher sounding. its just a nissan thing.

 

That's odd. I tend to smoke all 2.5 AT's I encounter.

 

MT advantage? Yeah, it's hard for me to complain about the power.... Who says you can't do spirited driving? If you're that desperate for more power, I guess you could always mod the car a bit (or at least get stickier tires) but still... It seems a lot easier to get at the power of the smaller/less torquier engines with the MT. (I'm sure it depends on what you're comparing it to, though.)

 

Well....um...yes, that and his list of mods might have something to do with it.
RSX-S 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th gears
Hondata reflash
Comptech header
Injen CAI

 

yeah se-r is really nice inside and out but thats a v6...

 

Funny, you take a 30k car with more h.p. and by looking at your post you added easily 6- 8k ontop of that

05 TSX non Navi NBP 6MT
RSX-S 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th gears
OEM front underbody spoiler
Hondata reflash
Comptech header
Injen CAI
A-spec suspension

Then you can beat a 4 door family sedan

 

Your numbers are off. He's spent about 3k on a mid-20k car with more HP but LESS torque and now that's ONE of the cars he can beat now.

 

I wouldnt call a 27,500 dollar car mid twenties

I will even go as far to say that if you add a

-cold airtake onto a altima
-upgraded transmission
-performance chip upgrade
-header
-upgraded suspension

The altima would blow Black_6spds acura away...

 

Wow, bringing in an upgraded Altima for the sake of this argument. Just a reminder, in case you forgot: we're talking about Black_6spd's 25k TSX vs a stock 2.5 Altima mentioned in the OP. If were going to start bringing in modifications, how about I strap the HondaJet engine onto Black_6spds car? Are you bringing a Flux capacitor next?

Fact is, Black_6spd beats the Altima originally discussed. Sure the Nissan is a 4 door family sedan, but his car would smoke it. If your going to say that beating a family sedan is a put down, then an F430 ONLY beats a stock Altima 2.5 as well.

Furthermore, you're numbers still aren't right. A 2005 6mt Non-Navi is not 27,5 in Orange County CA. He got his for about 25k. His mods amount to about 3k, no where near $6-8k, not even in Canadian money.

Stop exaggerating the facts or expanding the scope of what Black_6spd originally stated for the sake of argument.

 

I was just saying, if you want to compair two stock cars between the amtima and tsx that altima will win.

If you want to but Black_6spds car modded tsx agaisnt a modded altima the altima will still win.

 

Hypothetical and unproven for the sake of this discussion. Black_6spd stated he smokes stock 2.5 liter Altimas. Since no one here has an Altima upgraded the way you said, I'm going to keep that where I keep UFOs....lots of evidence, not proven true to me. Until Black_6spd specifically races his TSX vs this modded 2.5 Altima or I see quarter mile times with similar pre-existing conditions, that's all it is. I've got nothing against Nissans engines at all either.

I won't dispute anything else you've said, cuz its not proven or disproven to me, but your initial rebuttal to him basically stating that his car is 30k and his mods amount to 6k. For the record, he's done a decent job of upgrading his 25+k car with worthwhile mods, to the tune of about 3k. Still more than an Altima 2.5, but TSX > Altima overall.

Good day, rugbybrado.

CG Earl