STL

The new Accord EX engine is a 2.4L I4 that produces 190HP at 7000rpm and 162 ft-lbs. at 4400rpm. Like the TSX's version of the engine, it has a compression ratio of 10.5:1 and also has a 7100rpm redline, but unlike the Acura engine it does all this using 87 octane. That is pretty darn impressive IMO.

PACman

And the V6 ain't bad either!

SeanS627

from what i've read the V6 sedan doesn't have a M/T for the '08

if so I am guessing they scrapped it because it would hinder the sales of the TL

mltk53

^^
nope. the coupe has a v6 6mt

dereksmalls

The next TL is due out next year and will probably share a lot with this Accord, so the cannibalization won't last for very long.

Those new Accord engines are sweet. Remember what HP numbers the first NSX had, this V6 is not that far off.

miken5678

i was under the impression after reading so many sites that there were two motors offered for the 4 banger a 190 horse and a 200 horse and then read another site with different info

http://jalopnik.com/cars/new-cars/20...ail-291661.php

hard to tell what is what

dereksmalls

http://www.hondanews.com/categories/812 has all the answers

PACman

vtec.net is helpful too.

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

Not overly concerned about the Accord sedan considering that the TSX is due for its FMC next year anyway. Sure it'll cannibalize a few end of year sales, but that will change when the FMC 09 TSX comes out.

CarbonGray Earl

Good for them. I wonder how much power we lose if we went with regular.....

Black_6spd

Actually, it's VERY far off. As outdated as the C30A (3.0L V6) and C32B (3.2L) are, they make much more power than the J30A4.

J30A5: 244 hp / 211 ft-lb

C30A: 270 hp / 210 ft-lb (SAE corrected might be around 260ish hp)

The C30A was simply ahead of its time. Although I currently have a J-engine, you'll never hear me mention it in the same breath as the C30A with real vtec.

godfather2

if u use 93 octane, you might achieve the tsx's 200 hp

Klutch Dollaz

who cares u driven an accord the handling won't compare to TSX. it has rolly polly handling more suited for grandpa. Plus the new accord is bigger than the 2007 accord so that means the car is not as nimble.

If your crying about the differences between 87 and 91 or 94 octane you should be driving something with 87 octane.

On a 50 L the difference is $4-5 per full tank. Thats not alot to ask to drive like the TSX. You are driving a 4 cyc car not a GRAnd Cherokee or Hummer those are the guys who should be crying don't cry about prem fuel if u bought a TSX deal with it

Black_6spd

Most forget -- it's the CHASSIS that makes the TSX great. The motor was Honda's typical multi-platform / versatile engine to keep costs low. Even with a V6, the Accord is still humble pie and handles like a boat.

Even if the other Honda siblings that used the K24A had equal HP, it still wouldn't matter. The Element, CRV, and Accord are much different cars.

STL

I don't think anyone in this thread is crying about the price difference. I only posted it because I was impressed with what Honda was able to squeeze out of the K24 using regular gas. And I know full well the new engine in the '09 TSX (likely even the base engine) will easily trump this one.

Mokos23

just glad that they didn't make the 4 cyl new Accords have more hp than the current TSX, then that would be kind of embarrassing.

Tangoman

Using 93 octane in an 87 octane optimized engine (the ignition and timing systems are made for this) won't increase the horsepower one bit. However, it will allow the engine to run at higher temperatures, boost, etc, without dangerous engine knock (or pre-detonation)

So if you guys buy an accord, don't put 93 octane in it and expect some horsepower gain. If you run a supercharger, you'll need it.

Kudos to Honda for getting rid of the need for using 93 octane gas! Wish I didn't have to use it...

Alright, I'm done talking about nerdy things now lol.

xenonhid

Wouldn't a nice set of coilovers and a RSB upgrade fix that?

Simba91102

if so I am guessing they scrapped it because it would hinder the sales of the TL[/QUOTE]

More likely Honda knows they'd have to practically give them away.

Black_6spd

Perhaps that boat aspect. As far as the humble pie goes, your guess is as good as mine.

wrussi

i agree with him u cant compare the c30a/c32b to the j series engines.


as for the k24 with 190hp and on 87 octane it could be the same engine just detuned to use 87 in our manual it says we can use lower octane gas with a decrease in performance. so i guess if we use 87 we will also be in the 190ish range

khmy2nr

This new accord engine has vtec only on the intake side. The TSX has the real vtec camshaft with both intake and exhaust secondary lobes.

Overtaxed

The new Car and Driver Review doesn't make the car sound fun to drive.....

Me thinks they are going after the "Camry" buyers.

http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...da-accord.html

subhradyuti

Did anyone look at the interior shots / features? I guess it gives very good indications of new features coming to 2nd Gen TSX

1. RL/RDX/MDX-esque rotary interface: It'll be sad - I absolutely love the touchscreen interface in my TSX (and rather enjoyed when one friend was spellbound by its simplicity compared to iDrive in his 325i)

2. Active noise cancellation: Should be a welcome addition, considering current level of road noise in TSX

3. MP3/WMA CD changer: Overdue for long time isn't it? (I'd be more happy if TSX get a HDD music box like G35 though). And hopefully a subwoofer as well.

BTW, 2008 Accord takes a few inspiration from our TSX - the silver accent running across the cockpit and the secondary display

STL

We already have a subwoofer -- in fact we have a couple. They fact they happen to be oval in shape doesn't change the fact they are designed to be subwoofers. The two 6x9s have more cone area than a single 10" driver (and about as much as a 12" driver). That said, the stock subwoofers don't really bump like most want -- but how many OEM subwoofers really do?

CarbonGray Earl

After reading and looking at the multitude of material on the Accord, I can only hope that the TSX does NOT follow in its footsteps. What the US Accord lacks is a unified design....there is just too much going on.

For instance, the front bumper and hood. It looks like they wanted it to look sporty, by making the cut line for the lights and the top of the front grill aligned. However, some bean counter wanted to throw on chrome trim which moved the front grill black space down, misaligning it. To go further, the hood does not come down to meet the grill opening, as it does in our TSX and TL. Instead, it adds another line a couple of inches above all of this grill action, thus making the design look more complicated.

It kinda reminds of those Conan O'Brien's"if they made it" skits. He would take photos of 2 good looking stars and cut out various facial features to make one hideous looking offspring. The facial features were usually mismatched in size, color, etc. The Accord looks as if they threw a cut line here, a Hofmeister (sp?) kink there, a grill theme here, etc, etc. I can't tell what they were going for overall. I hope the next set of Acura sedans take on a more unified and well thought out exterior design, as opposed to this attempt at pleasing everyone.

Reality being what it is however, it will sell just fine....with the boomer population growing day by day, getting a car this featured out and roomy with the overt design cues, on a fixed income is going to get alot of their hard earned cash. And I'm sure it'll be the best value for them. It just doesn't do it for me though.

hunterk1

Is it really that simple though? I was of the impression that only compression ratio mattered when it came to octane, but perhaps there's more to it than that.

If the '04-'05 motor was rated by the new SAE standard, it would produce how much? 195? 190? So perhaps this motor is more similar to the those years in terms of its head design (smaller valves, ports)? This might yield a smaller charge under most or all throttle conditions, but I'm still not clear how that allows for lower octane, and the TSX motor required it...

The European K24 produces 190ps, or 187.4hp, oh, but at 6800, crap, and with premium. So there's no comparison there.

That is hilarious!

Klutch Dollaz

Yes the new engine will be sweet. For sure we can expect more than 205 hp in 09 but i hope the look doesnt get to grandpa looking. I mean the car doesnt get huge it retains its sporty look on the exterior

Tangoman

Its not that simple. Check my post on page 1.

PrecyseStylez

Off topic kinda.. but the new G35 S has two 10 inch subwoofers in the front door panels!.. those bose might bump!

davidspalding

I could double-check but IIRC my 2006 manual states that CD-Rs with MP3s will play in my 6-disc changer.... And BTW, just lose it for WMA. I'm tired of using WMAs, then getting yet another device which won't play them. MP3 or OGG for me.

BonzoAPD

Have you even driven an Accord Coupe? We have an 06 in my family and that handles quite well actually. Infact I feel that it handles curvy roads even better than my TSX. If you are reffering to the accord sedan you are probably right.

dereksmalls

Seems to me that Honda is saying the new Accord V6 (3.5L) will be making 268 HP and 248 lb-ft using the latest SAE testing methodology. Sure they had to go to 3.5L to get it, but still a sign of how the ever growing weight of cars and the power available has changed.

davidspalding

The TSX engine will run on 87 octane fuel, it's just not recommended. (My 2006's manual recommends 91 IIRC, so I mix at the pump (1/2 and 1/2 of 87 + 93, usually). Someone's going to tell me why that doesn't work, I'm sure, but it seems a practical way to shave a few $ off my fuel visits and keep the recommended fuel in my tank.) The assumptions that "you can't run the TSX engine on 87 octane," and "if you put 93 octane fuel in a engine which runs on 87, you get more HP or torque," don't really fly. You might get knocking, but the engine will go.

I, like many I think, confuse octane with performance. This Wikipedia article explains it pretty well.

justinangil

Rumors has it the 09 TSX will be AWD and use the RDX Turbo.

visuelz

You guys do know that if the accord is going to have that much HP. The tsx will probably have like 270 hp for the next gen.

dom

The current TSX never had as much HP as the 03 to 07 Accord V6. It was never about HP for the TSX and I doubt it will be for the 09 either.

I expect 225 to 250 for the next TSX

Mokos23

i bet it will be an I4 with 240hp and SH-AWD, really hope they have a V6 option this time.

wndrlst

Happy now?

visuelz

Haha...I hope it has the turbooo =]