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Old Mar 8, 2006 | 08:56 AM
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Timing Belt Change

When do timing belt on our cars usually go out? I've got 100,000 km on my car......about 160,000 miles? I know I need a new one ( and tensioner) but when do yawl change timing belt?
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Old Mar 8, 2006 | 09:26 AM
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It'sdue for you.
It's needed to be changed around 105k miles. When you do it, also change water pump and all belts.
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Old Mar 8, 2006 | 11:23 AM
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The timing belt replacement is recommended at 105,000 miles which is roughly 168,000kms. At 100,000kms you are about 62,500 miles.
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Old Mar 8, 2006 | 07:32 PM
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im confused as to how many thousand miles you have but if you're near 100 thousand, change all the belts. you will notice the difference, bee lee dat!
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Old Mar 8, 2006 | 07:41 PM
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Yeah mine was changed around 100K miles. It ran much better after.
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Old Mar 9, 2006 | 11:03 AM
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It also depends on the conditions you drive in - the harsher the conditions, the sooner it needs to be done. I go mine done around 90K miles.
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 07:36 AM
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I usually drive slow to get attention as I boom down the street and look for some Hotties....but once in a while I go to the mountains and try out my skills in the big,automatic sedan
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 07:47 AM
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Hotties!!! are there that many in Japan?
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 08:18 AM
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90,000 miles - get the water pump done and all belts at that time as well.
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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 12:57 AM
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im confused as to how many thousand miles you have but if you're near 100 thousand, change all the belts. you will notice the difference, bee lee dat!

I Detail at the local Acura Dealership in my town, and he said at about 100,000 miles you should do it...........110,000 miles is pushing it big time.............he also offered to do it for cheap. which is good cuz i have 96,000, and plan on having my car when it hits 105,000 miles.
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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 01:07 AM
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Hey

Stupid edit time

"He", is an Acura Technician at my workplace. haha. sorry bout that.
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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 01:24 AM
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the manuals actually suggest changing at 105k miles.. i just broke 100k and am not looking forward to the expense just yet..
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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 09:11 AM
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the manuals actually suggest changing at 105k miles.. i just broke 100k and am not looking forward to the expense just yet..
DIY, it is not that bad of a job, really. Put the savings into some other maintenance worke while you are there.

Also, while you are there, yank your alternator and check brush length. Mine were just fine, worn very little, but getting it out while you are there is really easy.
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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 11:16 AM
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i will be the first person to tear my car apart... but ask me to do a timing belt and forget it...i will pay the labor for a piece of mind... and besides i have a friend who is a mechanic and will only charge me 100 bucks to do it....
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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 01:01 PM
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100?? consider yourself lucky.
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Old Mar 12, 2006 | 04:20 PM
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yeah he replaces axles for 50..
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Old Mar 13, 2006 | 06:55 PM
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Hotties!!! are there that many in Japan?
Dude, there are more than "THAT MANY" ! They are everywhere ! And they dig Foreigners...even if you are married, lots of them still want some action. Its not that they are "easy, slut-bitches" but thats the way it is here. Sex is sorta like a sport here. It only means FUN. Wanna come over?
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Old Mar 13, 2006 | 06:59 PM
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I'll do the T-Belt/ Tensioner change ASAP but I finally went to a Honda Dealer and they'll do the ATF Change and all for @ $80.00 total. Thanks for the infos....I was always skeptical about going to the dealers....AND NOW I KNOW....THE REST OF THE STORY!
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 04:12 PM
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Does anyone know the avg cost of changing the belt and pump?
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 04:55 PM
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If you go to the dealer, it will range from $650.00 to $750.00 depending on the dealer.
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 05:16 PM
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Dude, there are more than "THAT MANY" ! They are everywhere ! And they dig Foreigners...even if you are married, lots of them still want some action. Its not that they are "easy, slut-bitches" but thats the way it is here. Sex is sorta like a sport here. It only means FUN. Wanna come over?
LOL! Like a sport ha?
Id love to checkout Japan someday. From the movies Ive seen, anime,culture, magazine,games, shows,technologies, its all cool. The first place Id have to go see is mount Akina. I heard its a real place, is it? Them Hokkaido,Kyoto, and finally Tokyo. The problem is I dont speak Japanese so its going to be kind of hard.


Anyway, anyone changed their own timing belt? Perhaps a walkthrough would be nice.
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 05:19 PM
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If you go to the dealer, it will range from $650.00 to $750.00 depending on the dealer.
that includes parts+labor+tax right?
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 08:51 PM
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yes, this price includes parts and labor.
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 09:02 PM
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750!!!! holy crap!!!!
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ysidro
LOL! Like a sport ha?
Id love to checkout Japan someday. From the movies Ive seen, anime,culture, magazine,games, shows,technologies, its all cool. The first place Id have to go see is mount Akina. I heard its a real place, is it? Them Hokkaido,Kyoto, and finally Tokyo. The problem is I dont speak Japanese so its going to be kind of hard.


Anyway, anyone changed their own timing belt? Perhaps a walkthrough would be nice.
Do a search on this forum, there is a thread with the info. Other than that, buy a factory service manual, it has the best instructions.
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 07:23 PM
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i got 140k miles w/origional timing belt. i intend to NEVER change the belt and see how long it lasts. i know, it's a gamble, but i'm taking the risk.
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by veo
i got 140k miles w/origional timing belt. i intend to NEVER change the belt and see how long it lasts. i know, it's a gamble, but i'm taking the risk.
This can seriously damage your engine.
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by veo
i got 140k miles w/origional timing belt. i intend to NEVER change the belt and see how long it lasts. i know, it's a gamble, but i'm taking the risk.
If you're holding out because of the thrill of it (a la Kramer runnin' on empty in the dealer test drive on Seinfeld) or you really don't care about your car, I say go for it and let us know how far and long you get with it.

However, if and when that belt goes, it'll be time you put on some running shoes to get where you need to be, because you'll be out of an engine.
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by veo
i got 140k miles w/origional timing belt. i intend to NEVER change the belt and see how long it lasts. i know, it's a gamble, but i'm taking the risk.
just let us know when it goes because i'm sure we'll all want to grab some parts from your car.
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 09:10 PM
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I don't need a new timing belt!!!! I just spray WD-40 on it every week, and it runs just fine. I'll never replace it if i keep doing this every week! No need to! WD-40 fixes everything!

and, to save money, whenever I have some extra Vodka or Absynth lying around, i just pour it in. it's 80 proof, so it'll do the same as 91 octane premium, right??????
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 10:48 AM
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i like the WD-40 idea. do u just spray it directly on the belt?
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 98_2.5_TL
I don't need a new timing belt!!!! I just spray WD-40 on it every week, and it runs just fine. I'll never replace it if i keep doing this every week! No need to! WD-40 fixes everything!

and, to save money, whenever I have some extra Vodka or Absynth lying around, i just pour it in. it's 80 proof, so it'll do the same as 91 octane premium, right??????
:gheywave:
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by veo
i like the WD-40 idea. do u just spray it directly on the belt?

I was definitely joking, haha.

I guess my humor is a little rusty.
I have 98 thousand miles on my TL, and plan on changing the timing belt this summer.

It's defnitely a good idea to change it right at 100k, cuz if it breaks, you're screwed.

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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 09:41 PM
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i still think wd-40's a good idea. i saw someone do that in the past. with the engine on and the belt going it was sprayed. there are plenty of cars with over 200k that have never had timing belt replaced. i'm at 140k and unless i see damage to the belt i'm not touching it.
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 09:44 PM
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i'll keep u all posted of how long i make it with out changing the timing belt. hopefully i'll be right and everyone will be a believer. if i'm wrong then i'll be the one to learn a lesson the hard way.
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Is the 3.2 an interference engine? How about the 2.5?
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Originally Posted by Mark Larson
Is the 3.2 an interference engine?

Yes
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Old Apr 8, 2006 | 02:12 PM
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Both 2.5L and 3.2L engines are interference engines. Problem w/ inspecting the belt is you can't easily inspect the lugs which transmit load to turn the camshaft sprocket and water pump. A defect could progress from benign to failure very quickly once a lug is missing or the reinforcement is broken. Realistically, how often would you inspect the timing belt? The valve cover has to be removed to remove the upper timing belt cover and enable an inspection.

My brother has run two cars till the belts failed. He was lucky, the 2L, 86 Honda somehow was not damaged when belt failed near 200K miles. He ran a 4-cyl Camry until the belt failed at somewhat < 200K. The Toyota 4-cyl is non-interference.

I suspect (but don't know) the timing belt interval is determined is by running enough belts to failure to allow calculation of a 95% confidence level based standard deviation of the failure data. A confidence level of 95% is 2-std deviations below the mean. This would suggest that failure is possible even below the 105K change interval. You might extend the confidence level to 99% at 3-std deviations, but that might set the change interval too low. Naturally, their approach to determining the belt change interval and data for this calculation is not public knowledge. Wikipedia has a very nice explanation of std. deviation and confidence level calculations for the terminally inquisitive at the following link.

Wikipedia Standard Deviation Explanation

Do let us know how you make out when the belt fails.

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[QUOTE=TexasHonda]Both 2.5L and 3.2L engines are interference engines. Problem w/ inspecting the belt is you can't easily inspect the lugs which transmit load to turn the camshaft sprocket and water pump. A defect could progress from benign to failure very quickly once a lug is missing or the reinforcement is broken. Realistically, how often would you inspect the timing belt? The valve cover has to be removed to remove the upper timing belt cover and enable an inspection.

My brother has run two cars till the belts failed. He was lucky, the 2L, 86 Honda somehow was not damaged when belt failed near 200K miles. He ran a 4-cyl Camry until the belt failed at somewhat < 200K. The Toyota 4-cyl is non-interference.

I suspect (but don't know) the timing belt interval is determined is by running enough belts to failure to allow calculation of a 95% confidence level based standard deviation of the failure data. A confidence level of 95% is 2-std deviations below the mean. This would suggest that failure is possible even below the 105K change interval. You might extend the confidence level to 99% at 3-std deviations, but that might set the change interval too low. Naturally, their approach to determining the belt change interval and data for this calculation is not public knowledge. Wikipedia has a very nice explanation of std. deviation and confidence level calculations for the terminally inquisitive at the following link.


....can u say that again, in English. j/k, thanks for the explanation
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Originally Posted by TexasHonda
Both 2.5L and 3.2L engines are interference engines. Problem w/ inspecting the belt is you can't easily inspect the lugs which transmit load to turn the camshaft sprocket and water pump. A defect could progress from benign to failure very quickly once a lug is missing or the reinforcement is broken. Realistically, how often would you inspect the timing belt? The valve cover has to be removed to remove the upper timing belt cover and enable an inspection.

My brother has run two cars till the belts failed. He was lucky, the 2L, 86 Honda somehow was not damaged when belt failed near 200K miles. He ran a 4-cyl Camry until the belt failed at somewhat < 200K. The Toyota 4-cyl is non-interference.

I suspect (but don't know) the timing belt interval is determined is by running enough belts to failure to allow calculation of a 95% confidence level based standard deviation of the failure data. A confidence level of 95% is 2-std deviations below the mean. This would suggest that failure is possible even below the 105K change interval. You might extend the confidence level to 99% at 3-std deviations, but that might set the change interval too low. Naturally, their approach to determining the belt change interval and data for this calculation is not public knowledge. Wikipedia has a very nice explanation of std. deviation and confidence level calculations for the terminally inquisitive at the following link.

Wikipedia Standard Deviation Explanation

Do let us know how you make out when the belt fails.

regards
............can u say that again, in English...j/k, thanks for the explanation
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