Colt45

Alright niggas. As i mentioned before i had been working on this. Well i finally aquired 1 focking hour to do it.

Anyhow. Its a DIRECT BOLT ON. No fabrication, no special spacing, or "RIGGING" is necessary. This a bolt and play modification..


You need to remove the TL SHIT. first off

Instead of ordering the TL parts for replacements you order


FRONT ROTOR: 95 LEGEND GS (2 DOOR COUPE MODEL) Raybestos part number:RAY 96364 two of those for the fronts

BRAKE CALIPERS: 91-95 NA1 Acura NSX loaded calipersnote the 96+ NSX NA2 caliper WILL NOT WORK...96+ nsx adapted a larger front wheel allowing more area for larger front rotors, the newer nsx brackets are too large and will rub unless you run different rotors. The backspacing on the caliper is different as well so the caliper would need to be shimmed between the bracket and the caliper. Im not getting into that shit cause this isnt a how to on making the na2 calipers work this is a how to bolt the shit on and go).
The calipers you need are RAYBESTOS RC 10294 AND RC 10293

The rc stands for loaded calipers which come with cerametalic pads. I paid 70.00 per caliper with pads. BUT, my best friends family owns the largest chain of parts stores in ohio/cincinnati area. Any Parts Plus store or raybestos brakes handling company can order these brakes.

BRAKE LINES: 95 LEGEND GS(2 DOOR COUPE MODEL) I just ordered goodridge lines.

Gtg ill post the pics later

96teeluxury

after a run-in with my lack of ABS today this is a good post to read, i'll add it to my list

psheu

wow. that's a very detailed description of brake upgrade. I just had my brake upgraded too. But is the NSX brake better than the factory Brembo Brake of 3rd gen manual TL?

Colt45

Alright. sorry I had to run out and complete some errands.

Anyhow, as far as how to do this. its completely simple. Just install the stuff like normal, its a direct bolt on..

Heres the stock shit on the right vs the nsx and legend stuff on the left. *note: i painted the new rotors and the calipers with 1200 degree (seimore brand) aluminum spraypaint so it does not rust out the hats. The paint on the rotor surface already burned right off with ease and theres no reason to waste time masking them off for 4 light coats. Ive done this 1243123123 times with no problems, so theres no need to make nerd posts about how its not a good idea, ive done it already and had no problems EVER.




a shot of the 90k dollar sports car parts that just BOLT ON.(notice when i scraped with my finger nail all the paint came off the rotor surface the pad slides on with ease)


Next.....

Heres a shot of the tight ass looking stock brakes replaced just a year ago without painting the rotor hats or anything. Notice they look as if captian nemo discovered them 2000 leagues under the sea. Fucking garbage. Fade prone 1 piston caliper, trash thin rotor that warps with any hammering on brakes, and rediculously routed from the factory with 43223 bolts holding them in place brake lines.



Notice how skinny the tl stock shit is. This is what causes them to warp so easily. Seeing how a prelude weighing almost a 1000lbs lighter uses the same rotor. sweet concept...Junkyards that way...



ok so we junk that shit, and send the stock tl calipers as cores back in the nsx boxes cause, who cares right. deal is done.....


Then we bolt it all on

And.....















And for all you hoes out there who dont wear fancy shoes.... (haha)


They fit fine and clear the stock wheels with ease.

Follow these instructions and it works fine. Ive already shredded the backroads by my house and nothing rubs. Even with the stock wheels on it nothing rubs.

If you do this and you have problems. You should stick to warcraft or solitare....


Total spent...... 250 bucks

150 for calipers
50 for rotors
50 for lines
and i had castorol gt lma fluid in the garage so that was free, as well as i already had the spraypaint. you dont have to do lines, and the nsx calipers use the pgd 503 pad which is the same for integra type r, all legends, tl, and prolly god knows what else. So you could use the stock pads also and get the calipers without pads cheaper. I dunno about how much cheaper.

Later taters. Stay tuned, summer is coming and ive got some more ideas like putting a legend gs 6 speed trans and ecu in the car also for a manual transmission conversion.

Colt45

p.s. my car is dirty.

Thats what happens when you dont wash it for like 8 months. haha

Paint, new suspension, and a inspired designs kit and grill comes in less than 2 months.

TLBaller

thats a badass write up. sticky please!

LDH

damn...only 150 for the nsx calipers? thats a great deal.

Ken1997TL

Stuck. GREAT info

96TLPrem

the picture shows that legend rotors are thicker than the TL's stock. Are they heavier too?

tcrow31

cool...i was wondering if this would work cause ive put NSX brakes on a type r coverted civic except we used the 96+ calipers. What did you do about your ABS using the older dual piston calipers??

Colt45

Older 2 piston calipers?

96 and up is the identical caliper dude. It just uses a na2 bracket. The 96 newer nsx offered a different offset larger wheel. In turn the brakes were able to move out an inch to accomidate a 1 inch larger rotor. The caliper is the exact same. The bracket just moves it out an inch. And the bracket sets back further on the hub assembly. So if you used the 96 newer ones youd have to stack washers on the steering knuckle between the caliper or else it would rub the rotor with the bracket.

Theres a write up all about this on honda-tech its a well covered subject

I know this because i used to have them on my civic type r stuff.

Unless they changed the brand new nsx to having a 6 piston or 4 piston caliper which i have no idea, they still use the same caliper which is this caliper. Just the na2 version which spaces it out further...


You can use them sure, maybe they will work. The pad wont wear evenly and it wont contact the entire rotor surface since its made for a larger rotor. Tried that also.

and to the other guy, yea the rotor is thicker. Thats the entire purpose. Theres been hundreds of write ups on doing this vs the legend coupe calipers. In the end i just use simple logic. If its the companys flagship supercar, and the legend brakes were better, then it would have the legend brakes, not entirely redesigned custom casted nsx marked calipers....

The thinner lighter weight garbage stock tl parts are a joke. ive had project mu slotted rotors, power slots, brembo blanks, aem big brake kit off a type r, and countless other brakes on this car. They all blew such ass that i eventually went back to stock replacement garbage. I did this same mod on my ek ctr car and it worked like a dream.

I drive the car hard and i have no troubles. Besides its a boat, im sure a heavier rotor isnt going to sacrifice too much performance.

tcrow31

haha...its been a long while since i did that conversion. For some reason i remember them as being 4 piston but i guess im wrong. Yeah i will be doing this mod soon.

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

where did u get the brake lines from???

Colt45

ebay... legend 4 door ones are the same..

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

okay that is where i was looking... thanks man

oh yeah also for those of you looking to do this... the GS sedan and coupe share the same rotor... i just was arguing with Rotora trying to convince them they were the same since they didn't show that application available...

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

Hey Colt - do you know if the Type II calipers off the Legend have the same fitment as the NSX calipers???

i have called almost everyone and there are ZERO cores available... im trying to be hopeful that the only diff between the NSX caliper and the Type II Legend caliper is that one says NSX on the outside...

Colt45

same fitment.. You may be able to adapt the na2 nsx calipers also if you used the tl bracket id have to look at it.. Just buy the na2 ones and make sure you can return them.. Test fit the caliper off the nsx to the caliper bracket off the tl.. The bracket never gets worn out anyhow. The only difference is the bracket is offset for larger rotor and different hub offset. Both na1 and na2 piston caliper sections are the same i am pretty sure..

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

it seems like NSX calipers in general are just gold since there aren't many to begin with... it seems like it may be even harder to find a NA2 caliper since those cars would be newer and less likely to fail due to their younger age... damn!!! i will def look though...

i may just go with Type II legend ones since im just looking for dual pistons... would i need a type II bracket too???

Colt45

You can see the font shine through the red paint..

I adapted 98 911 turbo rear calipers on my da eg and ek civic.

Just milled a bracket on a bridgeport to align the caliper spacing with the rotor.

I was going to do the 911 turbo fronts but they were entirely too big to fit under 16 inch wheels.
I had the gear ratio perfectly setup for a 16 inch wheel with a 23.3 inch diameter with tire..So going bigger was NOT an option after purchasing a 900 dollar ats final drive.

any brake kit from a

integra type r
civic type r
legend
tl
na1(96 older)nsx

will work on your car.

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

i think i would have left the font clearly showing that is sexy!!!!

ty sir.. i will still look for NSX but if i can find a type II off a legend ill just switch off from that since i'm just looking for dual piston...

Colt45

i would have but some clown painted them red that i got the calipers from.

i stripped them and put my own rainman porsche font on there haha.

shit did endos when you mashed the brakes though.. it made like a wizzing wooshing sound from the power of them i guess when you were slowing down.

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

want to mill me a duplicate bracket for the TL???

Colt45

im in the process of buying a house with a detached 40x40x20ft tall pole building with a lift and enough room for whatever i need to do. When the time comes I can set everything up from my farm in dayton(100 miles away), my garage at my parents, my garage at my grandmothers, storage, and some machining stuff ive picked up at sales into one spot. Then something like that would be do-able. But as of now im a nomad with too many spots..

Its like a tool box.. You have all these tools but no tool box it seems like you dont have shit.. You get the tool box, and you can fill it up.. Soon as im out of apartment life, im sure all my stuff from 10 different spots will add up.

Its really annoying right now, I want to get this 240 done so i can put the tl on jackstands and really get into it.. I have no place to convieniently work on it right now. Well i do, but its not convienient with my time availability. I cant drive 100 miles to yank the trans, then when im out of time drive back home and to work the next day, then 100 miles back to work again.. Sigh... In time my friend, in time...

I could make it, but its gonna be a while..This is the main thing thats hangin me up on a lot of things right now

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

not NSX calipers... but close enough...



my sorry attempt to make it a little bit customized...



waiting for the rotors and brake lines... then they will go on the car....

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

since i got a few PMs about what i ended up doing... all i did was get type II calipers since Colt got the last set of cores on the face of the universe... you should be able to find them a lot easier and are readily available at your local auto store... i bought mine from autopartswarehouse.com ... free shipping except for when you need to send the cores back...

everything else, you can follow Colt's directions in his first post... i decided to go with Rotora Slotted Rotors to match my rears that i did a few months ago... and i went with AEM pads... i hope everything comes in by friday so i can get it on the car this weekend...

daemonicus

nice! let us know how your stopping power changes. i'm interested in doing this if it'll dramatically increase my braking. even after new pads and rotors on my rears, my braking is still kind of mushy.

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

well new pads and rotors on your rears will not do much since a majority of the strain is put on the front and not the rear... i think this upgrade will improve my brake fade and responsiveness... but i guess the piece of mind is more than enough for me... i'm still waiting for the rest of my dang parts!!!

vishnus11

Are new brake lines designed for the Legend Coupe a must for this project or can you just reuse the existing lines on our TLs.

I've ordered the SS Goodridge kit for the 3.2TL which is a 6piece kit, and am hoping it will work for the two front legend calipers.

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

6 piece??? what are the extra 2 for??? i just got mine off ebay and there are 4 here...

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

hey Colt... the brake lines came 2 short and 2 long... the shorts go on front right???

i just installed the dual piston calipers... but they freaking company didn't send me all the brake hardware... fuckers!!!

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

moving to perf parts & mods

96teeluxury

since i have the 4 lug 2.5 what should i do if i want to do this brake swap does anyone know exactly what else is different on the 2.5 brakes from the 3.2 and if this bolt-on is even possible?

if it's not what retrofits can i do

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

my friend had a 92 accord that he was able to fit NSX calipers on... and i am almost certain that his are 4-lugs... i think u should give it a shot and be one of the first!!!

Inspired[RUS]

Problem is that 2,5 TL brake rotors have f#cking strange form with ufo-style gap in the middle, so you can't just put on 3,2 or legend rotors, you can see difference here http://fotoplenka.ru/photo/inspired/50804/6221194.gif, #17 is 2,5 and # 26 is 3,2. If diameter of 2,5 and 3,2 rotors are the same you can probably put the NSX calipers. Or maybe you can rebild your steering knuckle то 3,2 or 2,5S

Petie

How does the NSX brake size compare to the brembo BBK? If a set of wheels won't clear the brembo BBK, do you think they'll be okay with the NSX setup?

Colt45

brembo vs the nsx is the same performance as far as im concerned. ive had both.

Id rather use the nsx also, so when you are in chicago on a road trip and hit a piece of shit in the road and blow a tire out, you can put the spare on and get to safety. that dumbass big brake stuff honestly was more trouble than it was worth on every car i had it on. Both with offset clearance and the hassle of needing special wheels to use them.

Petie

cool, I'm just wondering about the size though.... if a set of rims won't clear a brembo BBK, does that mean they won't work with the NSX brakes either?

Colt45

clear the stock 15x6.5 65mm offset turds. Id say unless you are doing like some 13x7 reverse offset luxor wire wheels they will fit whatev you use.

Colt45

Heres those 996 turbo brakes i had on my civic, integra, and tl(swapped alum center rotor hat section for a 5 lug type r hat) at one point..


Notice how close the caliper is to the spoke and thats even with a 10mm spacer in there.

01tl4tl

Bit of a thread jump/hack but the Legend 2 piston calipers are a direct bolt on for the Gen2 TL-CL calipers. You just swap them Left for Right from their intended position to put the bleeder valve at the top. Other than that- bolt it to the TL brackets with TL brake pads

Awesome improvement- and the SS lines are direct bolt up too!
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