what the F***
08-26-2009, 05:46 PM
#1
what the F***
So... I was under the impression that I wouldn't need a camber kit with lowering springs. Apparently I was wrong, I just got an alignment and here are before & after results.
Before:
Left front
-camber -1.8
caster -3.3
toe -1.43
Right front
camber -1.8
caster -2.5
toe -0.77
Left rear
Camber -1.0
toe 0.48
Right Rear
camber -1.2
toe 0.26
After
Left front
Camber -1.6
Caster -3.3
toe -0.3 (decent)
Right front
Camber -1.7
Caster -2.5
toe -0.4 (decent)
Left rear
camber -1.0
toe 0.54 (frozen toe frozen bolt)
right rear
camber -1.2
toe 0.09 (decent)
I will post up the pic of the chart and more when I get home from dinner or later tonight. I am so pissed off right now.
Before:
Left front
-camber -1.8
caster -3.3
toe -1.43
Right front
camber -1.8
caster -2.5
toe -0.77
Left rear
Camber -1.0
toe 0.48
Right Rear
camber -1.2
toe 0.26
After
Left front
Camber -1.6
Caster -3.3
toe -0.3 (decent)
Right front
Camber -1.7
Caster -2.5
toe -0.4 (decent)
Left rear
camber -1.0
toe 0.54 (frozen toe frozen bolt)
right rear
camber -1.2
toe 0.09 (decent)
I will post up the pic of the chart and more when I get home from dinner or later tonight. I am so pissed off right now.
08-26-2009, 05:50 PM
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why the hell is your caster so off? thats weird. and -1 to -1.5 isnt THAT bad, my boy is riding -2.3, going through tires like every 4 months lol. I think i'm at the same level as you on the camber actually, and i have no camber kit
08-26-2009, 07:25 PM
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uhh your caster is bizarre.. i wouldnt ride anything more then -1.7 as far as tire wear goes.. why didnt they adjust your caster at all? im getting an alignment probably tomorrow night, ill let you know what my results are.
08-26-2009, 07:32 PM
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Yep, you need a camber kit for any drop over 1.5" this is well documented on this site
08-26-2009, 08:05 PM
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08-26-2009, 09:11 PM
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Anybody... ingalls?
These are what i'm talking about
link to them is here: http://www.ingallseng.com/35700-3571...rm-mounts.html
tell me what you think?
These are what i'm talking about
link to them is here: http://www.ingallseng.com/35700-3571...rm-mounts.html
tell me what you think?
08-26-2009, 10:09 PM
#11
whats the difference between those and the ball joints??
So you are talking about these?
http://www.ingallseng.com/35590-adju...all-joint.html
08-26-2009, 10:23 PM
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I have the ingalls adjustable ball joints in the front, and ingalls washers in the rear, came in a kit from ebay
08-26-2009, 11:01 PM
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I got the anchor point ones. The ball joint ones ...I've heard/seen on AZ that they will smash into your strut tower if you're to low.
you don't want this one tho.. -3/4° to +1° Camber Adjustment.....
You want more angle adjustment than that...Don't get polyurethane bushings for it either.
you don't want this one tho.. -3/4° to +1° Camber Adjustment.....
You want more angle adjustment than that...Don't get polyurethane bushings for it either.
08-26-2009, 11:13 PM
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http://www.ingallseng.com/35720-3573...rm-mounts.html
There's lots of topics on this too... Could've searched and found your answer easily.
There's lots of topics on this too... Could've searched and found your answer easily.
08-26-2009, 11:31 PM
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Those were front. I had polyurethane ones and they squeaked a lot. Some people have managed to get them not to squeak but it was way to annoying. Another camber kit+alignment later my car was quiet again.
This is for the rear.
http://www.ingallseng.com/38811-3883...left-side.html
This is for the rear.
http://www.ingallseng.com/38811-3883...left-side.html
08-27-2009, 07:49 AM
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okay so I decided i'm gonna get these on the rear
http://www.sportcompactonly.com/part_p-104432.htm
and
http://www.ingallseng.com/35720-3573...rm-mounts.html
Do these work with the measurements I have/need?
I need to know asap because my dad's willing to help me out with the parts.
http://www.sportcompactonly.com/part_p-104432.htm
and
http://www.ingallseng.com/35720-3573...rm-mounts.html
Do these work with the measurements I have/need?
I need to know asap because my dad's willing to help me out with the parts.
08-27-2009, 11:50 AM
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I'd like to hear some input from someone that has that front setup since I'm only familiar with the front ball joints, the rears are what I plan to get eventually
08-27-2009, 06:09 PM
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yeah, im dropping my car off before work next door tomorrow.. hope i dont have this issue. although nate said he had visible camber, which i have none
08-27-2009, 06:16 PM
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the wear is universal across the tread, although i doubt ive driven far enough for it to make an impact. ive only put about 500 miles or so on it since i dropped it
08-27-2009, 09:19 PM
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wow, that sucks dude
i dunno what all this talk is about from heavy wear from just camber
i think i've put about 20000kms on my already well used tires and they got life left, and i rub pretty good on the fronts
after alignment i have
left front
camber -2.69
caster 3.14
toe 0.02
right front
camber -2.94
caster 3.58
toe 0.02
left rear
camber -2.49
toe 0.08
right rear
camber -2.25
toe 0.10
wasn't much different before the alignment tho, just the tow was out a bit, but not even what yours is out now, the most was the left front at -0.34
good luck Nate
edit: note this is running no camber kit, just k-sports and nothing else, i like my camber
i dunno what all this talk is about from heavy wear from just camber
i think i've put about 20000kms on my already well used tires and they got life left, and i rub pretty good on the fronts
after alignment i have
left front
camber -2.69
caster 3.14
toe 0.02
right front
camber -2.94
caster 3.58
toe 0.02
left rear
camber -2.49
toe 0.08
right rear
camber -2.25
toe 0.10
wasn't much different before the alignment tho, just the tow was out a bit, but not even what yours is out now, the most was the left front at -0.34
good luck Nate
edit: note this is running no camber kit, just k-sports and nothing else, i like my camber
08-27-2009, 09:41 PM
#31
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If I could go back I would probably have gotten the ball joint kit instead.
Last edited by YtseJammer; 08-27-2009 at 09:44 PM.
08-27-2009, 10:17 PM
#32
Drifting
wow, this makes me glad I went with the Neuspeed springs, I didn't have anything out of spec by more than .75 deg before alignment and everything within spec after. right at -1.0 on my camber. I wouldn't even want to go lower either, for clearance reasons.
08-27-2009, 11:38 PM
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okay so I decided i'm gonna get these on the rear
http://www.sportcompactonly.com/part_p-104432.htm
and
http://www.ingallseng.com/35720-3573...rm-mounts.html
Do these work with the measurements I have/need?
I need to know asap because my dad's willing to help me out with the parts.
http://www.sportcompactonly.com/part_p-104432.htm
and
http://www.ingallseng.com/35720-3573...rm-mounts.html
Do these work with the measurements I have/need?
I need to know asap because my dad's willing to help me out with the parts.
Please let me know guys, thanks
08-27-2009, 11:54 PM
#37
You guys think these ^ ^ ^
would be better? They cost $105 as opposed to the other Camber Adjusting Control Arm Mounts which are $85 ... I am trying to buy the $85 stuff i don't have much money.
So balljoints or camber adjusting control arm mounts? Would prefer to spend less, but if the balljoints would be better... let me know
Last edited by Gnate; 08-27-2009 at 11:57 PM.
08-28-2009, 02:31 AM
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I have the anchor ones and the rear camber kit...ingalls all around. I'm on tein SS though. If that makes a difference to your choice of camber kit etc...
I got the anchor ones because I saw other users on AZ complain about the ball joint/control arm slamming into the strut tower.
If you're low enough though. You're gonna drive with negative camber anyway to avoid rubbing.
And you can only adjust the anchor ones, and the ball joint ones to probably, so much until the control arm hits that little lip on the inner fender...
I got the anchor ones because I saw other users on AZ complain about the ball joint/control arm slamming into the strut tower.
If you're low enough though. You're gonna drive with negative camber anyway to avoid rubbing.
And you can only adjust the anchor ones, and the ball joint ones to probably, so much until the control arm hits that little lip on the inner fender...
Last edited by gmsron; 08-28-2009 at 02:34 AM.
