fuslove

What is the best and fastest engine I can put into an automatic 1997 CL?

CL Platano

If you are talking about a 2.2 or 2.3 the fastest way you can go is the JDM H22A that puts out a stock 220hp. From there you can turbo it up or add your basic add ons to it.

fuslove

Thank you Plato

fuslove

Sorry I ment Platano

teh CL

iTrader: (1)

how much would a JDM H22A cost???

SanJoseRoller

since we are on this topic does anyone know if a LS/Vtec motor would fit into the engine bay?

lnsyone

Why would you want to do that? Why put a smaller motor inside your car which already weighs a good 1200 pounds heavier than a Civic or an Integra? Aside from that, it would probably take a good ammount of fabrication to fit it inside the engine bay. With all that time and money you had spent on an LS/V swap, you could have a built f22 or h22 that pushes 250+ whp.

bebop.fey

any1 on this board done an AT to a MT with H22a ?
need info on it = )

LCARUCA 97

its doable.

fuslove

If its doable, what is the time and cost involved? The only person I saw that did a H22 swap is...LCARUCA 97

fuslove

And he hasn't let us know the time invloved or cost yet.

Hobo

use the search button, stop post whoring...

its all been done before there are plenty of h22 swaps.. yes you can do auto -> manual.. no dont use a teg engine.... price depends on the shop and where you buy the engine

Cocoa

iTrader: (2)

I'd pick a CRV block with a B16/B18 head. Low compression, high boost! My friend is doing that swap into his teggy.

lnsyone

Not inside a CL.

Cocoa

iTrader: (2)

I know, I was just saying if I had to pick an engine swap for the car I'd want, it'd be that. For the CL, I'd obviously stick with the H series engines.

wilp99

if ur doin the whole motor swap then all u need to do is fool the comp into thinkin its still in D or u will have a rev limiter. (like the one u have now with the car in park or neutral.) which is also the hardest part about doin the swap for a 6 speed type-s swap into the 3.0. (which i plan on doin sometime this year woo hoo)

lnsyone

make sure you have someone knowledgeable thats doing your swap, otherwise be prepared to pay for their mistakes.

CL Platano

I was quoted $3,000 for the JDM H22A, the USDM you can find cheaper but it is also 20HP slower.

CL Platano

I will find out for you because my boy is dying to do an H22 swap in my whip. He is in Elizabeth, NJ so it aint to far from you, right across the Verrazano. When I had my civic he was gonna charge me $1500 for a B16 engine/tranny swap.

lnsyone

Prices will vary depending who or where you get the motor from. The JDM h22 isn't 20 hp more than the USDM h22. JDM=200 USDM=195 TYPE-S=220.

shineynitelite

i heard that the jdm h22 has 11-1 compression.. does anybody know if thats true

lnsyone

Jdm H22 = 10:6:1

Jdm H22-s = 11:0:1

Usdm H22 = 10:0:1

fuslove

So of all that was said by everyone which engine w/tranny is best and fastest to put into an auto 1997 CL 2.2?

Zerostatic

If you want boost-friendly low compression then you could stay with the stock F-series.

Zerostatic

It all depends on your budget and your ultimate goal. Personally, when you look at the cool hard numbers, for a 4,000-6,000 budget the fastest option would be to swap a 5 speed manual tranny onto your F-series and turbo it. Without being over-optimistic an F-series running mild boost can put down 220 to the wheels. A H22A swap which would end up costing similar money would put down a good 40 Horsepower less to the wheels. Of course a boosted H22A will put down more then a boosted F22 but like I said before your budget and your ultimate horsepower goal is what determines which route you take.

lnsyone

The H22 has more torque than an F series motor. You could boost the F22/23 but I'd rather have an H22-S/Euro R motor. I think an H22-S/Euro R would put up a nice run against a boosted F22/23. Then again there are many factors determining their output.

fuslove

Woo!... you guys are really into swaps and you give alot of knowledge but I just need to know if I can get 200 to 240 more horse power when I swap and to what engine whether it be a F22/23 or H22 (becuase I don't know engines, I'm relying on your info).

I have this stupid 4cylinder automatic that goes no where very fast. If I have to swap my engine at a cost of no more than $3000 then I will; all I want is more speed (not track speed).

CL Platano

Here is some info for you!!
http://www.topendmotorsports.com/eng...h22/index.html

CL Platano

http://www.turbo-kits.com/accord_turbo_kits.html

Zerostatic

An H22 WILL NOT have more torque then a boosted F22/23. A boosted F22/23 would walk all over a stock H22, even it it the accord H22 type R. Think about it? How could a car that puts 180 to the wheels put up a nice run against a car that puts 220 to the wheels. (the turbo will add some extra weight, but not enough to make a difference) It will not. A 40 horsepower difference to the wheels is huge. That difference is like the difference between a GSR and a Civic EX.

lnsyone

I'm not talking about a built turbo F22/23. There are many factors that determine an engines output. I'm not going to bother stressing my point because I could care less about F22/23 motors. If you have the money, do what's right for your car.

CL Platano

I feel ya bro, but some people live and die by the SOHC. I had that same problem with people trying to tell me that when I had my civic that a turbo charged D-Series will take a B16 with some work to it.

fuslove

CL Platano this is great info; expensive as hell but helpful but I thank you and everyone.

fuslove

One last question... Can I put any 97-99 Prelude engine in the 97 CL or not?

LCARUCA 97

yes you can.

lnsyone

There is nothing wrong with SOHC motors. What is wrong is that some people believe that horsepower is everything.

rustyskim7

would a b20 crv engine make any difference in all this... cuz i wanna sweap but the problem is money

Zerostatic

what is everything, being cool enough to say I have an H22? F-series are perfect for boost with their stout blocks and low-compression, F-series are proven in all motor applications, in case you aren't aware read the below quote.

That CRX was powered by a F22.

Dude, I'm not being biased here cuz I don't even have an F-series in my car, I have a J30 in my whip, I'm just not going to buy into popular opinion, I question everything and depending on your budget going the boosted F22 route can be better then doing a H22A swap.

Like I said before your budget and your goal dictate everything.

lnsyone

It's all about personal preference. Do whatever you want.

LCARUCA 97

its more than likely the used the f22 because of the engine bay limitations and the oversteer probelms that happen when the H is put in. Its a lot easier to fit a turbo on the f22 in that small of a space. Not to say that the f22 isnt a good engine, but if one were to spend the money on a turbo, it wouldnt be much more to go ahead and swap an H in because of its increased performance and vast selection of parts. Far more than the f22.