RICO80

I need some help, Im a little confused. I am in the process of swaping out my 2.2 auto to a 5spd. In the near future I plan on putting a turbo on either my F series or doing a G. What I am trying to determine is what is the best tranny to get. Of course the noob guide says the M2s4 is the best way to go. But Im not sure if this is an auto or 5spd seeing the way evryone is talking about shorter gear ratios. I dont know what to get that would be best for the HP Im going for.

M2A4 – JDM H22A tranny non-LSD.
M2B4 – JDM H22A tranny LSD Equipped.
M2S4 - USDM H23A1 tranny/possibly also JDM f22b tranny as well.
M2F4 - USDM H22A1 tranny.
M2YA – USDM H22A4 tranny.
M2U4 - USDM Type SH tranny
T2T4 - JDM Accord SiR-T 5spd LSD Equipped (F20B).
T2W4 - Accord Euro-R LSD Equipped (Japan)
U2Q7- Accord Type-R LSD Equipped. (Europe)

RICO80

Nevermind, got my answer about it being a 5spd. DUH!

But still will it be good for the horsepower im trying to get. and also might there be any other things i must change, drivetrain wise.

Alperovich

the thing that i would want to make sure was that it was LSD equipped. I don't know much about these trannies. but LSD would help. also IMO shorter gears are better. u loose some top speed with shorter gears but better from take off, don't quote me on this thou. I'm just basing this on my own knowledge....

RICO80

thanks for the response.

Thats what I know, but what Im wondering is if there is anything I need to do otherwise to prepare this tranny to handdle 220-250 HP. Since Im gonna have the thing half way apart I figure I might as well get the work done now.

DaInFaMMuS1

All you'll really need for that amount of HP is a stage 1 clutch and pressure plate. The tranny itself will hold up fine. When you start getting into boost you might have to get a stronger clutch depending on how much power you put down, but stage 1 should be fine for most of your power demands. Throwing in an LSD would help with traction and tire spin if you can afford one, but its not mandatory until you start getting big power numbers.

RICO80

that sounds good. How nuch would that cost you think.

Dicorp

go with LSD h22 tranny. it revs right on the freeway but its fun to drive

97BlackAckCL

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Get an h22 tranny

NightRider

Fixed

Dicorp

if he wants to boost, better off keeping the F

DaInFaMMuS1

h22 tranny + f series motor = FTL!

He'll only get to like 110 mph and top out w/that tranny n engine combo. H22 full swap would be nice though.

Dicorp

well thats not the h trannie's fault that the f series redlines that low.

RICO80

Well I have been trying to decide what to do for power and I have decided to stay with the F block for boost. So from what I have seen on here that means that the best tranny is M2s4. Now correct me if Im wrong but wouldnt that be the best tranny setup for a F or G?

Im thinking M2s4 (replace 5th w/f22 tranny) and "stage 1 clutch and pressure plate."

DaInFaMMuS1

Boost likes longer gears. So the tranny with the longer gears like your stock f tranny would be best

RICO80

Sounds good. Does anybody else have an opinion?

teh CL

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if your planning on boosting the f22, get an f22 5 spd tranny..if you go g22, which path are you going, boost or All-motor?

quanaman

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RICO80:

Anything wrong with the current tranny? I need one. Wanna part with it?
Where is Duval?
Me=Fairfax Va 22031

Alperovich

/\ i think he is converting from auto to manual....

quanaman

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Good to see a farmiliar person here. I am on A-L.com as well.

Anyhow, I have an auto with a bad tranny, so if his is not starting to slip or acting up, I would purchase it. If that does not work out, I have a line on a local wrecked car that is a manual and I may go for the swap too.

SupraManAG

i got an SH tranny with LSD which i could not fit on my H22 because of oil filter location. i don't know about F22 fitment but i got the tranny for sale cheap.

SupraManAG

Shorter gears dont mean much when it comes to speed. My 3rd gear tops at 110mph. All depends how you shift. Also the SH tranny is good for 450 whp and then the LSD will crap out and burn.

RICO80

/\ Help me out, whats SH? also Im not sure what the differences are between H22 & H23 as far as matching up with my F22. I believe I saw a thread where the gear ratios arent that much different. PM the mileage and price on that tranny. If I can be convinced it will serve my purpose Ill see about the purchase.

quanman, Im swapping from auto to manual. My tranny is done. (277,000 miles)

"if your planning on boosting the f22, get an f22 5 spd tranny..if you go g22, which path are you going, boost or All-motor? silvercl97"

Im thinking eventually going turbo G22. So thats why I was thinking H23 tranny like the nood guide said.

teh CL

iTrader: (1)

stick with the h23 then

RICO80

What about using the 5th gear from the F tranny? I saw hat it was a good idea.

732xghost

iTrader: (1)

h23 trans.

BTW arber, how do you have a SH trans. you never told me that?? i thought they only work with SH motors.

teh CL

iTrader: (1)

ya its a good idea for highway cruises. Its more for fuel economy then performance.

Still, go h23

Dicorp

that bothered me at first when i got the lude, but now i love it. who needs highway economy when you can pass in 5th gear without breaking a sweat.

Alperovich

/\ you could have a legend and be in 6th gear and getting 26-28mph while passing ppl without thinking about breaking a sweat. i find what i can do in the legend in 6th, i have to down shift to 3rd! sometimes in the CL

RICO80

/\ How well does it match up with the F22? And will it be ok for the HP I want (220-250)?

732xghost

iTrader: (1)

yes but your gonna need a stronger clutch.

RICO80

So should I go 199? legend Tranny w/stage 1 clutch & pressure plate

instead of:

M2s4 (replace 5th w/f22 tranny) & stage 1 clutch and pressure plate?

Dicorp

legend 6spd are so hard to find, i wasnt even considering one. all i was really saying is that the h22 tranny isnt that bad, it gets you around...quickly and fun at the same time at the expense of fuel economy. ill take that.

Alperovich

hold on. I wasn't implying a legend tranny will fit. infact, it wont fit, not even close!

I was simply comparing top gear accel at highway speeds. don't forget my legend has probably close to 80-100hp/tq over our 2.2/3 motors.


very hard to find. but they are amazing machine's. My boss has a 6spd coupe with 115k on it. i get as much pleasure from driving it as i get from my highly modded coupe, his is all stock BTW.

Dicorp

thats a low blow to knock the 2.x fseries, they cant hang with your c32

my friend has a 95 auto sedan, its definitely luxury and rides really nicely but i caught the slammed car/stiff suspension bug after driving my friends lowered civic coupe. theres just so much more driving excitement.

Alperovich

hey man, its the truth. stock vs stock. i'm sure there are modded F's out there

BUT, you kno my legend is slammed and has a stiff suspension? and it'll probably out corner that civc anyday.

Ksports, F+R sways, rear tie bars (short and long bars), front upper strut bar, plus F+R camber kits, and Top notch rubber FTMFW!

RICO80

Interesting info, thanks for the help. I gues M2s4 (H23) it is. Maybe after Its finished I will finally fell worthy to post some pics. I plan on getting some body work done too.

RICO80

I saw youre thread, welcome ...and just so you know Duval county = Jacksonville, FL. a.k.a. Da Bangum

NightRider

I loved the 6MT Legend, but no don't try and use a 6 speed Legend tranny. I think the design is a bit different since the engine was longitudinally mounted, PLUS no LSD

I don't know for sure but I'm guessing the F series would be better for boost than the H series because...lower compression? I don't know much about the G so I can't speak on that. I miss my Legend, that thing's handling even at stock was on point.

Sorry gotta do it...













The paint on The Legend isn't as bad as some of those pics make it look, it was starting to fade on the roof a bit but then again it had 180k. Then the CL stock...

Dicorp

sick legend bro, i like it better than your 2nd gen CL. that red is just

DaInFaMMuS1

So what exactly is every1 getting at here, that he should use an H23 tranny with his swap if he's going G22-T? Idk bout that, when that boost hits, it'll hit hard (if he has the right turbo setup) n he'll have to be shifting quickly w/that tranny. F22 tranny will let him ride out the gear, get to peak boost and STAY in boost when he changes gears. I've had this convo many a time with my mechanic at honda when i was researching setups, cuz he's done everything from twin turbo vettes to his own stroker kit B18 in his civic. If you're not boosting you dont want an f series tranny, you'll be really sluggish w/the G22 (if u can complete the motor anyway, cuz its more complicated than it looks from what i've researched on honda-tech n other places)