ghost_masterCL

ok, so I went to the track near my place today. got there around 4:30 pm when the runs opened. long lines all freakin day. first time ever at the track racing, second time ever there at all. I have to admit it was lots of fun, and I definitely plan on going again after I get some more mods.

My best run was my second one, I happened to weigh myself in car after that one and I got about 3270 lbs. here are the times

and methods:
all.) Brake torque at WOT when lights start. let go of brake at green.

1.)left in D3. low tank of gas (2 gal. left)

2.) gate shifted. took 1st a little past regular shift point but not all the way to rev limiter. a tad further with 2nd. even lower tank of gas.

3.) gateshifted. hit rev limiter once on 1->2 shift. shifted a tad early on 2->3
shift, but went past normal shift point in D3. gas tank light was very bright after run.

4.) gate shifted.took 1st all the way to right before the rev limiter, same with 2nd. Had to get gas before this run. light was worrying me. had ~6-7 gallons in tank.

this track is located approximately 5400 ft above sea level. I can't find out if the times are corrected already or not. any thoughts?

Acura3.0CL

Dude...ive got a 97 3.0 with CAI & Exhaust. My best time at the track was low 16s (like 16.3 or 4ish. And I thought I had the factory slow freak. I was under the impression our cars were suppost to be able to run low 16s stock and high 15s w/ mods. Am I wrong??

DivineCL

I was under the impression our cars ran mid 15's stock and low 15's with mods?
Those runs look like that of a 2.x.
You sure you didn't have a trailer hooked up to the back of the CL?

bryanz3.0cl

hes 5400 ft above sea level.

97BlackAckCL

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Seriously, or some fat bitch in the passenger seat?

We have a 16 second car,

ajtcl

That did seem a little off. You might want to check your tire preasures.

jandj2204

Your RT wasnt the best but that time is just slow..that thing is a boat..I ran a 16.2 w/ Intake, plugs, wires and msd ignition(w/ a 2.2!)

ajtcl

Yeah, don't get stoned before your race, slows R/T. JK hahaha

shineynitelite

funny how i caught on to this right away.. and everyone that posted after you is still wondering why he ran so slow

ajtcl

That shouldn't be that big of a deal. 5400 feet... Not a big problem.

97BlackAckCL

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DivineCL

So he ran the quarter mile going uphill?
That might explain his low eta's.

bryanz3.0cl

high altitude=thinner air. try running long distance a mile above sea level...

DivineCL

I do it everyday with no problem.

















Thanks for the elaboration.

wilp99

ok to put it in perspective... at 8000 ft. its hard for a person to walk 10 feet w/o ghasping for air.... unless your adjusted to the altitude. which cars are not. thats why his times are a bit slower. id say knock atleast 1 sec off that time. and considering tampa is at like 7 feet above.

DivineCL

Acura Professional.




BTW - You should change it to "Acura Specialist". IMO

ajtcl

I could see gasping at 11,000 but 5400? Nah, the computer would adjust the mixture for that. I've driven plenty of times in the Rocky Mountains. My cars have done fine at high altitude. 13,010 at Loveland Pass. The car ran fine.


Props for professionals.

ghost_masterCL

sure the computer adjusts the mixture, but there is still less air/fuel being combusted = less power.

I didn't make sure my tire pressure was good because I can't fid my damn pressure gauge thing. So they may have been a little low.

I personally was pretty happy with those R/T's for being the first time at the track. I'd say greater than %70 of the people there were gettin R/T's > 1.x (thought the people that had obviously been to the track before were getting like .051, but that's to be expected.

DISCLAIMER: the following is all gueswork. it is probably not correct.

for the correction factor. at fontana raceway (from another post here) For 1,100 feet:
ET x .9887 (-.0113 per 1100 ft)
MPH x 1.0115 (+.0115 per 1100 ft)

1100*4.91 = 5400 ft
-.0113*4.91 = -.0554 = ET * .9445 so 16.8*.9445 = 15.86 seconds
.0115*4.91 = .056465 = MPH * 1.056465 so 83.34 * 1.056465 = 88.04 MPH

so there you go. there is your 15 second car. :P

DivineCL

Thank you for the mathematical analogy.

03 CL TypeS

Alright mate, your problem is traction. Altitude aside, your MPH indicates that you have a low 16 sec car (at that altitude).

On my 2000 Civic DX, I ran 16.3 @ 82mph with 2.3 60' times. Look at your 60' times. They are averaging almost 2.6. That's your problem.

Go back to the track with better tires, or adjust your launch techniques. On my 03 CLS-6, which makes 232ft-lbs @ 3500rpm, I can still cut low 2.4 60' times with factory tires, so it's possible, especially with a car like yours that makes less torque that low in the powerband.

Giver your mph trap speeds, you should be able to run low 16s if you can hook up properly off the line. You also have an automatic which makes your car much easier to launch... but you gotta get it right, and that means down to a 2.3, if not 2.2 60' time!

Good luck!

Motohip

Damn 16.3 with a DX? That's pretty good. The best I could do with a my D16 del Sol was 16.1 at 85 or 86 mph. That was with a muffler, intake, and VTEC controller.

ghost_masterCL

but I'm not having any traction issues at all. I would brake torque it all the way up to the 2800 rpm stall point, and as soon as it turns green I let off the brake and I instantly go forward. no wheel hop tire spin or anything, at least I don't think so, all the cars I went against were loud ass muscle cars so I couldn't tell if I was slipping at all. The 3.0's have the absolute worst low end I have ever seen, so that's likely the cause of hte crappy 60' times. My CAI and headers make up for that in thee top end, hence the mph beign what it is.

I'm getting coilovers in a couple days so I'll bet my launch will work better after that, but I definitely can tell that the vtec crossover point is a bit to high because when it kicks in I can feel it, so gotta get a vafc sson to adjust accordingly.

Cocoa

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We have a stall convertor at 2800rpms? I thought it was like 1500....

How the hell did I blow my first tranny then torque breaking it at 2500...?

ghost_masterCL

*grabs service manual*
ahhh... nm, it's only at 2400 (new) and 2250-2550 (service limit) SO yeah I was probably only BTing at 2500 rpms.

03 CL TypeS

Oh man, I couldn't even have imagined that! No traction issues? Hmm. Well ask your friends at the line to check out weather or not you're spinning. Depending on the tires you have, you may be spinning without knowing it. I really don't know what else to say!

03 CL TypeS

I know, wasn't a fluke either because I ran a bunch of 16.4's that day. Mind you, the weather was between 40-50 degrees that day and I ran with winter tires. But I knew that car like the back of my hand, and it was easy to always do a perfect run with 106hp stock + a CAI. I also powershifted every gear. At ~45K miles, I had a finished 3rd gear syncro that was fixed under warranty, and then I sold the car. Was my first car, fun little thing, I still sort of miss it!

MiK3Y

you're not gasping for air at 8000ft. i've gone snowboarding at around 8000ft and im not gasping after 10steps.

ghost_masterCL

well... I couldn't find anyone to go with me, so I may have been slipping, but if anything it was only for a split second. I fI do the same launch on regular roads, it will lose traction for like .5-1 second and then will grab. I don't even move forward when the tires slip so I don't imagine it would affect my times at all. But I definitely did notice that as soon as I let go of the brake when brake torquing my car jumped forward. that leads me to assume that I'm getting instant traction?

it did kind of seem that I got the "jimp" off the line, but then the car seemed to decrease in acceleration a bit after the inital jump, but I thought that was just because I wasn't at a complete stop, so it wasn't so sudden. I'll have to bring someone with me next time I go to see if I'm slipping at all.

ghost_masterCL

I'm sure he was just exagerating, but he's right. If you're not in really good shape, it's tough to go from sea level to 6000 ft. I was in germany for several weeks (which is right at sea level) and when I came back home I could hardly ride my bike around the block without almost passing out. Before I went to germany I could easily ride my bike 10+ miles, so after getting used to the sea level air it was sooo much harder.

wilp99

im fat and at the time i smoked at the time. just kidding bout the fat part... seriously.... i was tdy to peterson afb. and i didnt make it off the flight line (bout 100yds) before i felt alittle winded. 10 feet was an obvious exaduration (spelling?)

bryanz3.0cl

i didnt even see that . youre weetahdid

DivineCL

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you really love that pic

agranado

you, sir, are an ass.

-Alex

DivineCL

I'm glad you guys are easily amused by my foolishness.

CLover210

Also if he was running on an almost empty tank that definately could have effected the time. After i fill up my car feels stonger and sounds better. There are so many factors, but i really think that that was part of his problem. Also acording to car-stats.com i think our car should run around a 15.7-16

ghost_masterCL

definitely the altitude. I don't even know why you guys are debating it anymore. it's a fucking automatic, there's not much I could have screwed up with. anyways, suspension and nitrous on the way.

vietxplicitz

yeh man.. i went with just an intake... i had low 16.4 or sumthing like that.. and my speed was 87.5 at 1/4 mile.... it might be the elevation...