3.0 vs H22 swap
03-02-2004, 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by baka_t
Buddy there has been turbo av6's and ive done alot of research on the topic. You should run aganist 99 and prove us all wrong. That av6 was ran on stock tires and had full interior. I'd rather spend $3000 modding the 3.0 than a h22 swap. Only thing our 3.0 needs is a manual tranny good luck with that. A guy over on the v6p.net forums did a type-s 6sp swap for $3000 and with the comptech supercharger and boltons is pushing 300whp. All in all if you spend $3000 on mods to a 3.0 and you did your h22 swap the 3.0 will come out on top for the amount spent. I agree with clpower were being tools arguing about our slow ass cars.
Buddy there has been turbo av6's and ive done alot of research on the topic. You should run aganist 99 and prove us all wrong. That av6 was ran on stock tires and had full interior. I'd rather spend $3000 modding the 3.0 than a h22 swap. Only thing our 3.0 needs is a manual tranny good luck with that. A guy over on the v6p.net forums did a type-s 6sp swap for $3000 and with the comptech supercharger and boltons is pushing 300whp. All in all if you spend $3000 on mods to a 3.0 and you did your h22 swap the 3.0 will come out on top for the amount spent. I agree with clpower were being tools arguing about our slow ass cars.
Made it sound like you were gonna go buy like headers, intake and exhaust and then realize that none of them will work with your turbo kit
Well the exhaust maybe but it should be bigger piping.Damn you 3.0 guys are pretty funny saying that the h22 and j30 will be equal with equal mods. If any of you guys wanna throw down some cash on your n/a 3.0 vs. my stock h22 in So. Cal let me know
03-02-2004, 01:44 AM
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hey i wanan be in der rematch man.......so u can add h22 in der also.....yeah i got a deal 35-37 hundred with motor tranny wiring labor so your looking mid n close to 4 alot of cars from the bay have had der cars at the shop...heres some info on da site www.sparkracing.com pm me for more info
03-02-2004, 02:24 AM
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the simple approach tells me that if you take 2 different 200 HP engines and add the same mods, the engine with the bigger displacement will have more power. yeah the 3.0 auto weighs more, but everything aside, less power from the h22a and imperfect shifting from 98% of owners makes the 3.0 auto not that bad of a disadvantage.
03-02-2004, 02:31 AM
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why does it seem that when us 3.0 owners talk about our cars its like 'soooo funny" to think we're faster b/c he have more stock power and cant possibly miss a shift......but the h22a owners and ...ahem...."future" owners think its ridiculous that an automatic would beat them or stay even. Perhaps it's just thatthe idea of spending 3 grand to catch up to the power level of the 3.0 and not BEATING a 3.0 would make your project feel less worthwile or unjustified. but its not like that, you all will always have the coveted manual tranny.
03-02-2004, 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by Duece
hey scott if ur thinkin of doing a swap i can try find u deals on motors or watever u need let me know thas too any of yall also
hey scott if ur thinkin of doing a swap i can try find u deals on motors or watever u need let me know thas too any of yall also
i've been looking for some time. I can usually get great deals also. However I need a 99+ motor. I thought I had found one and the guy was going to sell it to me for 1900 w/ EVERYTHING and LSD but turns out it was a 97 motor.
03-02-2004, 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by DrDre1443
why does it seem that when us 3.0 owners talk about our cars its like 'soooo funny" to think we're faster b/c he have more stock power and cant possibly miss a shift......but the h22a owners and ...ahem...."future" owners think its ridiculous that an automatic would beat them or stay even. Perhaps it's just thatthe idea of spending 3 grand to catch up to the power level of the 3.0 and not BEATING a 3.0 would make your project feel less worthwile or unjustified. but its not like that, you all will always have the coveted manual tranny.
why does it seem that when us 3.0 owners talk about our cars its like 'soooo funny" to think we're faster b/c he have more stock power and cant possibly miss a shift......but the h22a owners and ...ahem...."future" owners think its ridiculous that an automatic would beat them or stay even. Perhaps it's just thatthe idea of spending 3 grand to catch up to the power level of the 3.0 and not BEATING a 3.0 would make your project feel less worthwile or unjustified. but its not like that, you all will always have the coveted manual tranny.
if you notice, there was only 1 3.0 owner complaining, and he admitted he was clueless when it came to motors
03-02-2004, 10:31 AM
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stock vs. stock both cars are dead even from a ROLL. ive raced 3 preludes all friends of mine or my brother. every race was the exact same, we stayed dead even. when i shifted gears he would gain a bumper, when he shifted id gain back that bumper. when i got i/e, hed drop back to my door, but gain it back when my car shifted. when he had intake it was the exact same. NOW, from a stop, he would jump ~1 car length, stay ahead, but would not pull anywhere and i would not gain anywhere. after 70-75 id slowly reel him in and thats the highest weve taken it to because i dont feel like losing my car esp. w/fairfax cnty cops around here.
i think i have the most experience with preludes esp. when alot of you seem to be going by "well i should be able to do this" or "i should be able to walk that". i would like to know your reasoning for how you get a faster car when you; take a motor from a lighter car and put it into a heavier car, that car you put it into is not going to be faster than the original, due to the extra weight. however, when you start modding it, bye bye 3.0.
also id much rather have a h22, so dont think im bashing it in anyway. the only thing thats stopping me is knowing the extra money id have to put into it just to be as fast or faster than a stock prelude. ... but i could also have a 6spd for around the same price...
ps. both cars are slow anyways, take a ride in a low-low 13sec wrx or a ~300whp teg LS, than youll stop wanting to mod our cars.
i think i have the most experience with preludes esp. when alot of you seem to be going by "well i should be able to do this" or "i should be able to walk that". i would like to know your reasoning for how you get a faster car when you; take a motor from a lighter car and put it into a heavier car, that car you put it into is not going to be faster than the original, due to the extra weight. however, when you start modding it, bye bye 3.0.
also id much rather have a h22, so dont think im bashing it in anyway. the only thing thats stopping me is knowing the extra money id have to put into it just to be as fast or faster than a stock prelude. ... but i could also have a 6spd for around the same price...
ps. both cars are slow anyways, take a ride in a low-low 13sec wrx or a ~300whp teg LS, than youll stop wanting to mod our cars.
03-02-2004, 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by CLpower
if you notice, there was only 1 3.0 owner complaining, and he admitted he was clueless when it came to motors
if you notice, there was only 1 3.0 owner complaining, and he admitted he was clueless when it came to motors
03-02-2004, 11:00 AM
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There's a pretty long drag-competition history for the H22A variant motors (fastest n/a honda on the east coast, first 4cyl to trap over 180 nationwide etc etc). In terms of them making power or power potential, that cannot be doubted. With aftermarket availability and importantly tech support, the h22a would probably be the best route for full on performance, particularly pre-96 h22a closed deck motors, although that can pose a problem for a lot of people in terms of emissions laws.
03-02-2004, 11:28 AM
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I know my cars preaty quick, but it sure humbles a person when you get smoked by something else. Especialy when it's a factory vehicle with little or no mods to it. Can you say; new GTO, or 5 series BMW.
03-02-2004, 12:55 PM
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i dont think i wasted my money on my swap only thing i wasted was my money buying an automatic 2.2 n still changing it to another 2.2....thou dohc does make more power....and to talk about lows lows....my friends got a b20 vtec turbo which runs around 400whp now thas some shit so dun think i havent ridden in any fast cars im always around them....
03-02-2004, 01:29 PM
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CLpower or 99CL- either of you guys wanna meet up Friday so we can quit magazine racing?
bryanz3.0cl- gimme a break, the 2.3 CL only weighs like 80 lbs more than a 97+ lude, and thats pretty much gone once you take out the spare and jack. Plus the JDM h22's have been known to pull a bit harder than us ones. Most even dyno a little higher.
Oh boy, I can't wait to race a 3.0. Anyone wanna film??
bryanz3.0cl- gimme a break, the 2.3 CL only weighs like 80 lbs more than a 97+ lude, and thats pretty much gone once you take out the spare and jack. Plus the JDM h22's have been known to pull a bit harder than us ones. Most even dyno a little higher.
Oh boy, I can't wait to race a 3.0. Anyone wanna film??
03-02-2004, 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by SooDARK
CLpower or 99CL- either of you guys wanna meet up Friday so we can quit magazine racing?
bryanz3.0cl- gimme a break, the 2.3 CL only weighs like 80 lbs more than a 97+ lude, and thats pretty much gone once you take out the spare and jack. Plus the JDM h22's have been known to pull a bit harder than us ones. Most even dyno a little higher.
Oh boy, I can't wait to race a 3.0. Anyone wanna film??
CLpower or 99CL- either of you guys wanna meet up Friday so we can quit magazine racing?
bryanz3.0cl- gimme a break, the 2.3 CL only weighs like 80 lbs more than a 97+ lude, and thats pretty much gone once you take out the spare and jack. Plus the JDM h22's have been known to pull a bit harder than us ones. Most even dyno a little higher.
Oh boy, I can't wait to race a 3.0. Anyone wanna film??
03-02-2004, 01:36 PM
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check this out i race my buddy 2000 Prelude 5-speed almost everyday. i get good launch most of the time in my 3.0 and keep that till he shift to 2nd and start pulling up....but like 2 or 3 sec later my 2nd gear kicks in and start holding....at that time he's going into 3rd already and pull out like a car....right when i get into 3rd u can at around 60 u can see my car pulling up and he's going into 4th...pulled out a lil again....then my 4th kicks in at 110mph and i would be riding like 2 or 3 cars behide him the whole time up to 140mph with no gain or lost in distant.
- The prelude is about 40K miles on it, bone stock.
- The 3.0CL just have Denso Iriumun Sparks and a intake off ebay...also full leather subs and amp.
I'm thinking a h22 auto in a CL wouldn't not take a 3.0CL auto.
but if u put a h22 5spd in a CL and put a 6-speed tranny in a 3.0CL...i think the J30A1 will win.
i wanna be in 3rd gear when that foo is in 2nd.
- The prelude is about 40K miles on it, bone stock.
- The 3.0CL just have Denso Iriumun Sparks and a intake off ebay...also full leather subs and amp.
I'm thinking a h22 auto in a CL wouldn't not take a 3.0CL auto.
but if u put a h22 5spd in a CL and put a 6-speed tranny in a 3.0CL...i think the J30A1 will win.
i wanna be in 3rd gear when that foo is in 2nd.
03-02-2004, 01:36 PM
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imo, the h22 is a great investment for performance. it has mad potential; especially for it being NA. sure, you would have to spend some $$$ to make it fast, but that decision is up to you. If you are unhappy in having to spend $$$ to make an import fast, either buy a domestic, or dish out the $$ and shut the hell up. for me to spend $ to make my car more powerful, and in the end, achieving your goals, it is well worth it.
03-02-2004, 01:37 PM
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I think if I would have bought the 2.2/2.3, and then got into speed, I would just sell it and get something better suited and less weight? 
but I don't ever race, so it doesn't matter to me. THe 3.0 is quick enough (not)
but I don't ever race, so it doesn't matter to me. THe 3.0 is quick enough (not)
03-02-2004, 01:39 PM
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the other day....we also took it at 20mph and as always he got into 2nd before i did and right when i got into 2nd i pull ahead of him...then there was a car in front of me and i let off...waiting for him to get into 3rd and move so i can get into his lane....but he missed 3rd.
03-02-2004, 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by sarlacc23
SooDark werent you selling your car? what happened with that?
SooDark werent you selling your car? what happened with that?
I was looking to get 10K for it, I should have took the offer of 9K and the tranny would have went out on that fucker instead of me. It wasn't much more to just do the whole h22 swap with a new tranny as oppossed to just buying a new tranny. So im gonna keep it now. Wish I still had my WW lips and rims
And subs grrr! Now all it has is a 1.5" drop and black housings. O and an h22:P
03-02-2004, 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by ib_jimmy
the other day....we also took it at 20mph and as always he got into 2nd before i did and right when i got into 2nd i pull ahead of him...then there was a car in front of me and i let off...waiting for him to get into 3rd and move so i can get into his lane....but he missed 3rd.
the other day....we also took it at 20mph and as always he got into 2nd before i did and right when i got into 2nd i pull ahead of him...then there was a car in front of me and i let off...waiting for him to get into 3rd and move so i can get into his lane....but he missed 3rd.
03-02-2004, 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by CLpower
i've been looking for some time. I can usually get great deals also. However I need a 99+ motor. I thought I had found one and the guy was going to sell it to me for 1900 w/ EVERYTHING and LSD but turns out it was a 97 motor.
i've been looking for some time. I can usually get great deals also. However I need a 99+ motor. I thought I had found one and the guy was going to sell it to me for 1900 w/ EVERYTHING and LSD but turns out it was a 97 motor.
03-02-2004, 03:16 PM
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your buddy can't drive
your buddy can't drive
I've been telling that guy with the Civic that u should of gotten the JDM B16A 2nd gen...
My old civic si with the d16z6 motor was pulling away from a friend 92 integra with a B16A1.
it really depend on the condiction of the motor a lot too.
03-02-2004, 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by ib_jimmy
He can drive he just fucked up that day....also he raced one of our other friend with a 94-96 prelude vtec with a h22 with i/h/e pulley, sparks, apexi vtec controller, ACT clutch and still lost to a 2000 prelude. at the the same time our other friend was in a 92 civic hb with a B16A1 and a lot more done to the civic than the 94-96 Prelude. he said my 3.0CL gave it more of a run then those guy.
I've been telling that guy with the Civic that u should of gotten the JDM B16A 2nd gen...
My old civic si with the d16z6 motor was pulling away from a friend 92 integra with a B16A1.
it really depend on the condiction of the motor a lot too.
He can drive he just fucked up that day....also he raced one of our other friend with a 94-96 prelude vtec with a h22 with i/h/e pulley, sparks, apexi vtec controller, ACT clutch and still lost to a 2000 prelude. at the the same time our other friend was in a 92 civic hb with a B16A1 and a lot more done to the civic than the 94-96 Prelude. he said my 3.0CL gave it more of a run then those guy.
I've been telling that guy with the Civic that u should of gotten the JDM B16A 2nd gen...
My old civic si with the d16z6 motor was pulling away from a friend 92 integra with a B16A1.
it really depend on the condiction of the motor a lot too.
If you had a d16 that pulled on a b16, then that b16 had serious issues.
03-02-2004, 03:58 PM
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i've driven that other prelude....it doesnt feel as strong as the 2000 prelude...both engine sound fine. whats the different between the 94-96 prelude h22 and the 97+ h22?
03-02-2004, 06:10 PM
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the older ones are obd1 and usually pull harder. Ones open deck and ones closed, but i don't really know what that means or anything about it
the older ones are obd1 and usually pull harder. Ones open deck and ones closed, but i don't really know what that means or anything about it
03-02-2004, 07:41 PM
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ok cool, mines a 94 Everyone says they are better than the newer ones, so we'll see. It was a bit cheaper too. All the 98+ (smog legal ones) were quite a bit more money.
Everyone says they are better than the newer ones, so we'll see. It was a bit cheaper too. All the 98+ (smog legal ones) were quite a bit more money.
03-02-2004, 08:52 PM
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hey so ryan you getting the swap huh?? wels lets run since this is gonna haps haha.....wens this meet gonna happen ne 3 liters wanan run down souf?> i know cocoa and clpower does.......
03-02-2004, 09:44 PM
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A run, are you guys kidding me, I'M IN !!!!!......i'll get my ass handed to me, but I love to Cruise....you know...let me know where and when. Hey, how do you launch the 3.0 with the parking brake? At what rpm do you rev it up to? I've never done it before, i've always power braked, but i dont do that anymore. That blew my tranny. Now i just hit the gas, and lose the start every time. I always gotta play "catch up".