Ingalls or SPC rear camber kit ?
11-03-2012, 02:23 PM
#41
Actual rear
(left)-1.4 degree camber (Right) -1.8d*
(left)-0.02 degree toe (Right)-0.01d
before
(left)-1.4 degree (Right) -1.8d*
(left)0.05 degree (Right) -0.32d*
spec range
(left)-1.5 degree -0.5d camber (Right) -1.5d -0.5d
(left)-0.08d 0.08d Toe (Right) -0.08d 0.08d
Total toe actual -0.03d before 0.26d * SR -.16D 0.16D
Thrust Angle actual -0.01d before 0.18d
Hopefully this can be understood. Had trouble with uploading sheet.
Front end is or was within specs after alignment.
(left)-1.4 degree camber (Right) -1.8d*
(left)-0.02 degree toe (Right)-0.01d
before
(left)-1.4 degree (Right) -1.8d*
(left)0.05 degree (Right) -0.32d*
spec range
(left)-1.5 degree -0.5d camber (Right) -1.5d -0.5d
(left)-0.08d 0.08d Toe (Right) -0.08d 0.08d
Total toe actual -0.03d before 0.26d * SR -.16D 0.16D
Thrust Angle actual -0.01d before 0.18d
Hopefully this can be understood. Had trouble with uploading sheet.
Front end is or was within specs after alignment.
Last edited by DeMAN; 11-03-2012 at 02:29 PM.
11-07-2012, 07:27 PM
#42
Actual rear
(left)-1.4 degree camber (Right) -1.8d*
(left)-0.02 degree toe (Right)-0.01d
before
(left)-1.4 degree (Right) -1.8d*
(left)0.05 degree (Right) -0.32d*
spec range
(left)-1.5 degree -0.5d camber (Right) -1.5d -0.5d
(left)-0.08d 0.08d Toe (Right) -0.08d 0.08d
Total toe actual -0.03d before 0.26d * SR -.16D 0.16D
Thrust Angle actual -0.01d before 0.18d
Hopefully this can be understood. Had trouble with uploading sheet.
Front end is or was within specs after alignment.
(left)-1.4 degree camber (Right) -1.8d*
(left)-0.02 degree toe (Right)-0.01d
before
(left)-1.4 degree (Right) -1.8d*
(left)0.05 degree (Right) -0.32d*
spec range
(left)-1.5 degree -0.5d camber (Right) -1.5d -0.5d
(left)-0.08d 0.08d Toe (Right) -0.08d 0.08d
Total toe actual -0.03d before 0.26d * SR -.16D 0.16D
Thrust Angle actual -0.01d before 0.18d
Hopefully this can be understood. Had trouble with uploading sheet.
Front end is or was within specs after alignment.
11-08-2012, 01:22 PM
#43
The SPC kit only adjusts camber but it looks like that's all you need. The INGALLS kit includes an arm for camber and toe. Both are linked below and you need a qty of 2 of either:
SPC:
http://store.excelerateperformance.c.../i-397045.aspx
INGALLS:
http://store.excelerateperformance.c...5/i-60220.aspx
SPC:
http://store.excelerateperformance.c.../i-397045.aspx
INGALLS:
http://store.excelerateperformance.c...5/i-60220.aspx
11-17-2012, 12:21 PM
#44
Post Camber kit numbers now listed in navy
Actual rear
(left)-1.4 degree camber (Right) -1.8d* now -0.6 (L & R)
(left)-0.02 degree toe (Right)-0.01d now 0.00 (L) 0.01(R)
before
(left)-1.4 degree (Right) -1.8d*
(left)0.05 degree (Right) -0.32d*
spec range
(left)-1.5 degree -0.5d camber (Right) -1.5d -0.5d
(left)-0.08d 0.08d Toe (Right) -0.08d 0.08d
Total toe actual -0.03d before 0.26d * SR -.16D 0.16D Now 0.01
Thrust Angle actual -0.01d before 0.18d Now 0.00
Thanks for the info. Hopefully this slows the uneven tire wear I had been experiencing over the last few tire changes. Time will tell.
Actual rear
(left)-1.4 degree camber (Right) -1.8d* now -0.6 (L & R)
(left)-0.02 degree toe (Right)-0.01d now 0.00 (L) 0.01(R)
before
(left)-1.4 degree (Right) -1.8d*
(left)0.05 degree (Right) -0.32d*
spec range
(left)-1.5 degree -0.5d camber (Right) -1.5d -0.5d
(left)-0.08d 0.08d Toe (Right) -0.08d 0.08d
Total toe actual -0.03d before 0.26d * SR -.16D 0.16D Now 0.01
Thrust Angle actual -0.01d before 0.18d Now 0.00
Thanks for the info. Hopefully this slows the uneven tire wear I had been experiencing over the last few tire changes. Time will tell.
Last edited by DeMAN; 11-17-2012 at 12:24 PM.
11-18-2012, 04:09 PM
#45
Fingers crossed for you. We do believe the Ingalls is a better rear choice, check them out here on special for a limited time:
https://acurazine.com/forums/heeltoe-automotive-365/camber-kits-group-buy-htspec-skunk2-ingalls-tl-cl-tsx-accord-847421/
https://acurazine.com/forums/heeltoe-automotive-365/camber-kits-group-buy-htspec-skunk2-ingalls-tl-cl-tsx-accord-847421/
01-19-2013, 08:15 PM
#46
We recently got an email from a customer looking for comment on the Ingalls bushing "donut" issue. First I'd like to say I have no idea what this "donut" phenomenon is. A donut is a cakey excuse to eat dessert for breakfast, or an adjective for the shape of an object if it resembles said breakfast treat. When a bushing is deformed by a side load I'd say it, well, deformed.
We posted higher up why we prefer the Ingalls...mostly because of the ball-joint issue the SPC, CT, Eibach, etc all have. But if this bushing deformation is a concern we can only really say it is something that has never really come back to bite our customers that we know of. In the rare event someone with an Ingalls kit comes back we have always been able to support them in getting replacement parts. It isn't so much a question of "which part is better" because honestly both parts are good for different people (Ingalls are better for correcting camber, and SPC et al are better for fitting wheels that don't fit). The real question is, who is going to support you later when you need help?
We posted higher up why we prefer the Ingalls...mostly because of the ball-joint issue the SPC, CT, Eibach, etc all have. But if this bushing deformation is a concern we can only really say it is something that has never really come back to bite our customers that we know of. In the rare event someone with an Ingalls kit comes back we have always been able to support them in getting replacement parts. It isn't so much a question of "which part is better" because honestly both parts are good for different people (Ingalls are better for correcting camber, and SPC et al are better for fitting wheels that don't fit). The real question is, who is going to support you later when you need help?
04-13-2013, 07:14 PM
#48
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^What issues are you experiencing? I only ask because I may be experiencing them as well! If u can please elaborate? Thnks
I have had the rear Ingalls installed for about 2-2 1/2 yrs.
I have had the rear Ingalls installed for about 2-2 1/2 yrs.
04-14-2013, 07:04 AM
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I actually wasn't experiencing any issues that I was aware of. I have always done the work on my car, but I had surgery and couldn't rotate my tires so I took it to the shop and they discovered it while on the lift. The rear wheels wobbled and they traced it to the bushings on the camber kit. They were surprised I couldn't feel or hear it while driving and that my fairly new tires weren't chewed up.
04-14-2013, 12:50 PM
#50
I have had rear in galls for a few years now and live in Wisconsin and I would just like to say ALL of the nuts on the camber arm are seized tight and can't be broken loose. When I first installed them I caked the threads and nut with anti seize . I say if u have winters these ingals will only last a few seasons
04-14-2013, 06:01 PM
#51
2014 Jeep SRT
I have had rear in galls for a few years now and live in Wisconsin and I would just like to say ALL of the nuts on the camber arm are seized tight and can't be broken loose. When I first installed them I caked the threads and nut with anti seize . I say if u have winters these ingals will only last a few seasons
04-17-2013, 01:07 PM
#52
Sad thing is, I forgot to mention that EVERY fall and Spring since i had these, the camber arms have been adjusted. So basically this happened over one winter. It would be a great idea if Ingall put a plastic washer or something to help protect from the metal on metal corrosion.
04-17-2013, 05:17 PM
#53
Sad thing is, I forgot to mention that EVERY fall and Spring since i had these, the camber arms have been adjusted. So basically this happened over one winter. It would be a great idea if Ingall put a plastic washer or something to help protect from the metal on metal corrosion.
i want to get some rubber sheets and wrap it around the thread, and zip tie both ends,, would that keep it from "winter elements" causing corrosion?
or is it pure metal to metal corrosion
04-18-2013, 10:57 AM
#54
I have had rear in galls for a few years now and live in Wisconsin and I would just like to say ALL of the nuts on the camber arm are seized tight and can't be broken loose. When I first installed them I caked the threads and nut with anti seize . I say if u have winters these ingals will only last a few seasons
09-19-2013, 06:16 PM
#55
2007 TL
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05-14-2015, 06:13 PM
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The INGALLS rear kit is a better kit; it gives you toe and camber adjustment for the same price as the Eibach/SPC. By the way, Eibach is just SPC re-branded. We have never had any quality issues on the INGALLS kits and we sell and install a lot of them.
Here is a link to them (you need a qty of 2 if ordering):
Ingalls Alignment Kit - Excelerate Performance - Japanese and European Performance Specialists!!
Here is a link to them (you need a qty of 2 if ordering):
Ingalls Alignment Kit - Excelerate Performance - Japanese and European Performance Specialists!!
05-15-2015, 09:39 AM
#57
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If you have -2.6 in the rear you'll want two of these:
Ingalls Alignment Kit - Excelerate Performance - Japanese and European Performance Specialists!!
Two of these will take care of the +1.6 in the front:
Ingalls Alignment Kit - Excelerate Performance - Japanese and European Performance Specialists!!
Ingalls Alignment Kit - Excelerate Performance - Japanese and European Performance Specialists!!
Two of these will take care of the +1.6 in the front:
Ingalls Alignment Kit - Excelerate Performance - Japanese and European Performance Specialists!!
05-15-2015, 12:35 PM
#59
Race Director
If you have -2.6 in the rear you'll want two of these:
Ingalls Alignment Kit - Excelerate Performance - Japanese and European Performance Specialists!!
Two of these will take care of the +1.6 in the front:
Ingalls Alignment Kit - Excelerate Performance - Japanese and European Performance Specialists!!
Ingalls Alignment Kit - Excelerate Performance - Japanese and European Performance Specialists!!
Two of these will take care of the +1.6 in the front:
Ingalls Alignment Kit - Excelerate Performance - Japanese and European Performance Specialists!!
"Use of this product in competition, or use on vehicles altered from original manufacturer's specifications or settings, EXPRESSLY VOIDS WARRANTY. The user is urged to inspect for suspension binding or interference when the product is used in these manners. However, due to the varying conditions and manner of use which the product will be subjected to in such uses, Ingalls Engineering Co., Inc. makes no warranties, either express or implied, including any warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose for use in competition or with specifications or setting other than those specified by the original manufacturer's specifications."
The SPC rear camber arms will handle your rear camber issue with ease...and SPC makes no statement about voiding the warranty on non-stock vehicles....
Last edited by nfnsquared; 05-15-2015 at 12:39 PM.
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07-06-2015, 02:05 AM
#64
I'm confused by the back and forth as to which solution is really the least problematic.
There is some general consensus form both sides that the SPC will handle the camber and it has been mentioned that buying the ingalls, you can adjust the toe too, but from OEM toe is already adjustable. I'm not following how this is some additional advantage.
There is some general consensus form both sides that the SPC will handle the camber and it has been mentioned that buying the ingalls, you can adjust the toe too, but from OEM toe is already adjustable. I'm not following how this is some additional advantage.
The SPC kit only adjusts camber but it looks like that's all you need. The INGALLS kit includes an arm for camber and toe. Both are linked below and you need a qty of 2 of either
07-06-2015, 08:08 PM
#65
I went with SPC and glad I did, seems to hold up better than Ingalls if you use the OEM rubber ball joint cover. Also the Toe has plenty of adjustment, im droped 1.5 and easily zeroed out the toe, no need for Ingalls, especially since they have cheap bushings that fail over time.
07-06-2015, 10:39 PM
#66
Race Director
I went with SPC and glad I did, seems to hold up better than Ingalls if you use the OEM rubber ball joint cover. Also the Toe has plenty of adjustment, im droped 1.5 and easily zeroed out the toe, no need for Ingalls, especially since they have cheap bushings that fail over time.
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07-06-2015, 10:41 PM
#67
07-12-2015, 11:35 AM
#68
here is what you can expect with Ingalls kit.
This is the third set of bushings and many $$$$ wasted on tires and alignments. Stay away from this ill engineered kit. Ingalls refuses to admit that there is an issue, even though all better quality aftermarket arms come with oem bushing design to eliminate this issue. I had this researched thoroughly for me by a few suspension experts.
The first kit wore out the fastest, likely because heel toe Marcus guy installed them loaded as It was explained to me. He tightened them while the car was in the air and not once it was at ride height and in proper position. If you look at his earlier replies, he refuses to own up to this, but rather deflects any part of this conversation.
The first kit wore out the fastest, likely because heel toe Marcus guy installed them loaded as It was explained to me. He tightened them while the car was in the air and not once it was at ride height and in proper position. If you look at his earlier replies, he refuses to own up to this, but rather deflects any part of this conversation.
Last edited by 3GTLCHICK; 07-12-2015 at 11:38 AM.
07-16-2015, 12:07 PM
#71
Burning Brakes
If you care about your car as a daily driver, DO NOT GET INGALLS ARMS. It will ruin your tires and the rear suspension becomes very soft with unusual compression during cornering. 3 years of real world experience here. I'm not a vendor proposing to sell you anything. If you are at show ride status and drive your car with rear wheels completely and ridiculously slanted with more than -3 degree of camber on stretched out tires then go ahead and try to ruin the tires and ride quality since they are already ruined anyway.
Last edited by t-rd; 07-16-2015 at 12:10 PM.
07-16-2015, 05:05 PM
#74
We recently got an email from a customer looking for comment on the Ingalls bushing "donut" issue. First I'd like to say I have no idea what this "donut" phenomenon is. A donut is a cakey excuse to eat dessert for breakfast, or an adjective for the shape of an object if it resembles said breakfast treat. When a bushing is deformed by a side load I'd say it, well, deformed.
We posted higher up why we prefer the Ingalls...mostly because of the ball-joint issue the SPC, CT, Eibach, etc all have. But if this bushing deformation is a concern we can only really say it is something that has never really come back to bite our customers that we know of. In the rare event someone with an Ingalls kit comes back we have always been able to support them in getting replacement parts. It isn't so much a question of "which part is better" because honestly both parts are good for different people (Ingalls are better for correcting camber, and SPC et al are better for fitting wheels that don't fit). The real question is, who is going to support you later when you need help?
We posted higher up why we prefer the Ingalls...mostly because of the ball-joint issue the SPC, CT, Eibach, etc all have. But if this bushing deformation is a concern we can only really say it is something that has never really come back to bite our customers that we know of. In the rare event someone with an Ingalls kit comes back we have always been able to support them in getting replacement parts. It isn't so much a question of "which part is better" because honestly both parts are good for different people (Ingalls are better for correcting camber, and SPC et al are better for fitting wheels that don't fit). The real question is, who is going to support you later when you need help?
Last edited by 3GTLCHICK; 07-16-2015 at 05:08 PM.
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07-16-2015, 05:14 PM
#75
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We carry a wide assortment of alignment products from brands like SPC, Skunk2, Eibach, and Progress. There are plenty of great options depending on your needs and what you're looking to achieve.
Suspension - Excelerate - HOA - Japanese Performance Specialist
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07-17-2015, 02:36 PM
#77
Do you guys want to get together for a class action suit? I'm out a ton of money here. Tires...alignments...labor. Ingalls and the vendors here don't really care about this issue or us in my opinion. I guess I could be wrong, but actions speak louder than words. Marcus didn't have any good words if you followed our exchange, then he just bailed out when it wasn't to his liking.
This is a huge nuisance and safety issue.
This is a huge nuisance and safety issue.
07-17-2015, 04:01 PM
#80
Burning Brakes
It is MASSIVELY annoying that Excelerate keeps jumping in to "recommend Ingalls."
I aligned about 5 times in 3 years while on Ingalls. The rear toe was way off every single time. I have record of my purchase. It's pointless if a vendor or Ingalls would just give you another set of the same ones with the same problem. I'm more than 6 months out on the last alignment, now with SPC upper arms. Car is still straight as an arrow. My summer gas mileage also improved 2 to 3 mpg because of this good setup.
For a class action lawsuit, we would need to gather a whole load of people to win though
I aligned about 5 times in 3 years while on Ingalls. The rear toe was way off every single time. I have record of my purchase. It's pointless if a vendor or Ingalls would just give you another set of the same ones with the same problem. I'm more than 6 months out on the last alignment, now with SPC upper arms. Car is still straight as an arrow. My summer gas mileage also improved 2 to 3 mpg because of this good setup.
For a class action lawsuit, we would need to gather a whole load of people to win though
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