beekermartin

I've only put @20,000 miles on the Michelin's and the tread is already getting close to the wear bars. I rotate them every oil change. I was hoping they would last a lot longer than 25k but it appears they won't be good by then. They handle well, were excellent in the rain, decent in the snow and they were fairly quiet. They have gotten noiser as they have worn but not terrible. The one thing I didn't like about them is they gave a very hard ride. They are 100y load rating and they are on the 18" a-spec wheels. So what tire should I try next? I will probably need to replace them before the snow hits so I have plenty of time to do some research. Any suggestions are appreciated.

projektvertx

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Isn't the rating on those 30k? You may be able to get some money for your next tire purchase if you have your rotation records. Just a thought .

beekermartin

I believe they are rated for 45,000 miles. At least the tread warranty is. I did email Michelin yesterday to see what they have to say. I rotated them myself so I have no hard evidence other than my notes in the service manual. I doubt Michelin will accept that but I am going to try. Maybe the tread wear will slow down going forward but I doubt it. They are wearing on the inside edge more than the outside. On all four tires. I don't believe my alignment is off but I plan on getting one done soon to make sure. The car does track dead straight though. I know the AS3 tread design is different on the inside and outside edges and that may account for the uneven wear. I have had the pressure set at 32 front and 34 rear since I installed them.

beekermartin

I just found a couple reviews on Tirerack.com from people that had the AS3's on an RL. They both had the same experience as me. The tires were good for the first 10,000 miles or so then they developed road noise, uneven wear and basically they wore out way before 45,000 miles. Maybe it is because of the weight of the RL, the AWD, or maybe it is something else. Who knows what the reason is but the AS-3's are rated so high on so many different type of vehicles. For some reason they are not a good match for the RL.

oo7spy

What are your requirements for a tire? Do you run dedicated summer/winter setups, all-season year 'round, do you care more about performance or mpg/ride/noise?

beekermartin

I want an all season tire. I am changing jobs soon and I will have a much longer commute. So the next set of tires I get I am willing to give up some performance for a quieter and smoother ride. I would also like to get a set of tires that will last a lot longer than 25,000 miles.

oo7spy

IIRC, Continental replaced the DWS. Those and the Bridgestone Serenity Plus were the go to all seasons for this board. Maybe look into what replaced the DWS. The Toyo Versados would get an honorable mention.

beekermartin

Both the Bridgestone and Continental you mentioned have a tread pattern that I have never had luck with. I work for a Honda dealer and every time I've seen tires with unusual tread patterns like those they badly chopped. I will look into the Toyo's. I did read a lot of positive reviews about the Versado's.

beekermartin

The Versado's only come in 96v rating for 245/45R18. I believe the 18" A-spec wheels call for a load rating of 98 which is why I went with the 100Y AS-3s. I imagine 96 load rating will be fine but I know it isn't recommended. 96 is rated for 1565 lbs per tire and 98 is 1653 lbs per tire.

projektvertx

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I would stear away from Continental as I've heard similar issues with choppy wear and I've also heard some issues with balancing on the DWS as it nears the end of it's life I believe.

What's wrong with the Michelin Primacy MXV4 tires? All seasons, quiet, decent tread warranty. Fits with everything you're looking for , possibly with the exception of price.

beekermartin

I have driven many Honda Accords with MXV4 tires and I hated them in the rain. I found them to be border line dangerous in the rain. Maybe the Primacy MXV4 are better. After my experience with the Michelin AS-3's I am considering other brands. The Versado's do seem like a good option. I found a few reviews from RL owners stating they were the best tires they have tried on their RL.

sonny@tirerack

The DWS replacement DWS06 is a good suggestion. Nice ride for a performance all season with fantastic wet traction. The sidewalls are also noticeably more robust than the DWS.

brinox

I've said it before in tire recommendation threads for our RL; the Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season/All Season Plus is a fantastic tire. I roll on some 19" MDX A-Spec rims, so my tire size is different, but its one of the best reviewed all-season tire on Tirerack.com. My biggest complaint from the stock Michelins and Continental DWS was road noise and steering response. Neither of those tires had good marks for both of those items in my personal experience.

I went from 17" stock rims with DWS tires to 19" MDX rims with the P7 All Season (non plus) and felt/heard a HUGE difference between the two. My mechanic was flabbergasted when he drove it with me before and after. It was surprising to him that a lower profile tire sounded and responded better than the DWS that I previously had.

oo7spy

The DWS did get a lot of dings for soft sidewalls hence Sonny's point.

beekermartin

The P7 All Season Plus is available in the proper speed and load rating, 100 V. I am still considering the Versado but it is only rated at 96 V. The rating for the 18" A-spec recommends 98 V. I imagine the difference between 96-98 is negligible but I would rather have the properly rated tire on the car.

oo7spy

Have you read this? https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w...m-size-925880/

Boomstick0

Just avoid the Michelin Pilot HX MXM4s at all costs. They are as dangerous in a little bit of dirt as they are in the tiniest little sprinkle -- they'll hydroplane on anything. They're also useless on snow as ice and wear just as fast as summers, but they don't perform as well.

When I had a Cadillac STS, I had Continental DWs, the summer tires. They were really outstanding summer tires especially for the money, but after 10k they did start to wear pretty fast and unevenly.

If I get the RL I am looking at later, when I need tires I would consider the Pirelli Cinturato P7 all season plus's myself. They seem to do everything well and have a good life expectancy as well.

Boomstick0

That's what I would do... should do everything well.

MayorMcCheese

I'm in the market now for a set of tires , I have 4 uchelins on my 05 RL now but there's a cut in the side wall so I'm replacing them.. For the 245/50/17 size there is nothing available so I have I go 245/45/17 and I see the Michelin A/S 3 but everyone said how fast they wear out so I'm thinking of the new DWS 06 but there not as good as the Michelins according to tire racks review but being in NJ I need decent winter traction and I don't feel like doing the summer and winter set swap again

Gonna most likely do the Michelins though I should check 255/50/17 or 255/45/17 to see what's available

Boomstick0

Orrder from tirerack.com to your local installer. From what I gather, the Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus and the Pirelli Cinturato P7 All seasons are the best tires available in our sizes. My '07 RL came with the Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus with light wear and the roads were flooding during my test drive and a couple of times since and I didn't have any issues, although I will try the Pirelli's when I need tires.

Boomstick0

I should add I'm sort of biased against Michelin because I have had two cars that I got with Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 tires. The first time, I lost control of my car not going particularly fast in a little drizzle and went into someone's front lawn on the left side of the street and narrowly missed a head on collision. I got those tires of a week later with plenty of tread left. And I bought another car that came with them and got them replaced a week later as well for my own safety. They are also incredibly overpriced, good for 20k miles max if you drive slow and get them rotated regularly, and not that good on dry roads either in ride quality or handling. In short, they are marketed as all season tires, but in reality they are just summer tires with poor handling.

These tires are famous for being horrific in rain and there is a scientific reason for this as well. If you look at the tread, it's actually designed to keep water inside the treads of the tire, rather than push it out -- there's literally no way for the water to get pushed to the side. The Primacy MXV4's have the same problematic tread pattern. The AS/3 and Primacy MXM4s look like a little better, but after the epic failure in engineering on those other two tires, I wouldn't be likely to waste any more money on the Michelin name.

MayorMcCheese

Shit that sucked when that happened
Here's another one .. Going thru the reservations in NJ on a semi rainy day I was going thru some S turns and loser control doing 40 spun the car back end hit the guard rail and slid head on with a tree .. Hate the primacy tires ..
I have to get 245/45/17 since there's shit options when you go normal OEM 245/50/17 but I really like pirellis but after tire racks review of the A/S 3 there not the greatest in the snow but I do have the AWD to be able to maneuver safely .. Although I do like the continental DWS 06 since there new to the market

Boomstick0

May I ask why you are getting the 245/45/R17 instead of the 245/50/R17s? Preference?

You can also get the P7's in 245/45/R17s as well! They are H rated and not V rated, but as long as you keep it under 130mph that is fine where V's are rated up to 149mph -- wouldn't have any effect on me!

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....SPXL&tab=Specs

MayorMcCheese

I'm very picky on everything I do .. Just check out my build thread in my sig I'm particular about things and I want the A/S 3 Michelins but they don't come in the 245/50 size which is unfortunate but they do in the 245/45 size, I don't want grand touring tires aand my Buick sits on 265/35/20 Michelin super sports and I love them so I love Michelin tires

Tread life isn't great but I'm so used to paying 400+ for a tire that seeing 150 for 1 is a joke to me lol

Boomstick0

If you really have to get the ultra high performance all seasons, then don't expect good treadlife regardless. Do the RL's rims fit a 245/45R17? I would guess that they do...

Just one other suggestion as well assuming the size fits. I bet these would last longer than the A/S 3s and be just as good so I'll throw it out there, although I think the A/S 3's probably aren't nearly as crap tires as the Primacy's or Pilot HX MHM4s either.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....0ASP&tab=Specs

I would also consider the Continental DWS 06 too. The DWS did okay with treadlife and was supposed to be better than most all seasons in the snow too, although as I said earlier I have no experience with the DWS myself but only with the DW summer tires that came out with it.

oo7spy

Those won't work for him. He needs to pay at least $1500.

MayorMcCheese

yeah I'm not paying that much, i really only need 2 tires at the moment .. the rear tires are Primacy tire but they have 605 tread life and nothing is wrong with them .. reason I need 2 front tires is because of the slash in the tire.. although its not losing air and i don't expect it too.. its still dangerous .. and I'm not going to buy one brand new tires and leave the other tire half life

i actually bought 2 tires ... AS/3 245/45/17 i know there not the best tread life tires i am curious to see how long they last for me i just wanna make 2 years out of them since i have 2 cars i can go back and forth now

Boomstick0

I'm sure you can get two years out of them if you drive a normal 15k/year as long as you rotate them.

Ratheruneeq

I think Im gonna run kumho tires the next time I need them. I ran those on my G2 legend and really enjoyed them. They make a nice all season tire for our Cars with a 99v rating.

knv8

I have the Toyo Versado Noir and they are nice all season tires, quiet with good handling. I read somewhere that all wheel drive vehicles need all 4 tires changed at once. Is this true?

oo7spy

You really want to match tread patterns and depths of adjacent tires regardless of drivetrain. In an AWD vehicle, different tire diameters between front and back can cause overheating in the transfer case. Of course their is some acceptable margin of difference as the fronts should wear faster than the rears in a FWD biased car like the RL. With that in mind, I think you will be okay with old tires in the rear and new tires in the front if they are the same size.

blackwarrior

I love my continental DSW06's

beekermartin

My AS3's are officially ready to be replaced. I was down to 3mm and 2mm last month. I need to replace them before the winter hits. I decided on the Pirelli Cinturato's after this thread. I have been keeping an eye out for a good deal and I came across this today: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes

To good to pass up so I ordered them. A rep at Tirerack told me they are kept in a climate controlled warehouse without sunlight so dry rot should not be an issue. He said they should last just as long as the regular priced ones. Hopefully that is the case.

Boomstick0

Whoa, that is a really good deal! In fact it is such a good deal that if I didn't just get hit with a bunch of unexpected expenses I would buy a set and store them until next year.

beekermartin

I had them installed and an alignment done today. I have only put @40 miles on them but I quickly realized how quiet the RL can be. The AS3s had gotten so noisy it made me forget how good tires should sound. I did like the handling performance of the AS3s but the quick tread wear and increased road noise with wear made them a disappointment. So far the Cinturato's appear to be a good choice. I felt the same way when I first installed the AS3s. Hopefully the Cinturato's perform better than the AS3s.

Boomstick0

I have to personal experience with Pirelli's except on my dad's old PT cruiser (and that doesn't really count, you know) but I have heard so many good things that I would definitely give them a shot. Do you find the ride is a bit softer than it was with the AS3s? People usually say they're much quieter and a smoother ride but the AS3s have better handling (not that the Cintuartos are bad)

beekermartin

I would say the handling with the AS3s was better. The turn in was quicker and steering response was better. The Cinturatos aren't bad by any means but the AS3s felt like a sportier tire. I also do find the ride to be a bit softer. Not a big difference but softer. Overall I am very happy with them. They handle very well for a grand touring tire. I drove through some heavy rain and they handled it perfectly. If the AS3s would have lasted longer and not gotten noisy after 10k miles I would have bought them again. I can't stand tire noise. The AS3s became extremely noisy. I rotated them every oil change and my alignment was not out of spec. Maybe the AS3s aren't a good fit for the RL because of how heavy it is? I don't know.

If the Cinturatos remain quiet for most of the tread life and last longer than the AS3s I will be very happy.

Boomstick0

The AS3s are made from a much softer rubber, which makes them louder and wear faster but handle better. It's a trade off for improved handling, which in the case of a car like the RL, you shouldn't really need. I have had a few cars with v8 engines and very high power the second you tap the gas and the super grippy tires were needed to not accidentally spin out when turning on a road from a stop. I have some Bridgestones on my RL that maybe have 4-6mm left (maybe 1-2 years, but far from new), and I would expect the Pirelli's to handle a little better but have no issues.

IAMWATSON

I'm very happy with my Continental Extreme Contacts Dry Wet Snow and they also make a Dry Wet version. Not as expensive as Michies.

RL09

The Dunlop winterMaxx an excellent -30 icy winter ride on all fronts.