aomechmarine

Hey brahs...

So I'm looking at a few real used wheels that seem to pop up for sale around the SoCal area that fit my car. gonna get them sized to the car and refinished. What ya guys think?

Weds Kranze LXZ 19x8.5, 3 piece wheel. But probably resize to 19x9, with offset for the lips and car to sit how I want. I'm not really sure how that all works, but I have a few reputable people who do this for a living who are gonna help me with that.


possible look after refinish?

Hate to jock someone's style, but that is AWESOME!!

Contemplating Work Equip, or Weds Bazreia... I'd really like a nice finish like this as well. Used sets come up often. Also was thinking Ordens... and but this car is smaller, and I want a "luxury sport" look/wheel.

So yay or nay? Going for a nice VIP inspired look, with sporty look.

aomechmarine

**also trying to go bags and BBK

rockstar143

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I dig em...
I think I like them in chrome more though...
do it!

usdmJON

Something to keep in mind. Ordens typically cant be rebuilt as the face and outer lips are welded on most sets. Places like vr wherls sell them with no rebuild option.

But aside from that all wheels mentioned would look proper. Even ordens in the right size.... Actually especially ordens in the right size. I did a chop of them back in the day.

aomechmarine

Well, for now.... im thinking I may just buy a used set in more or less the right size and just throw tires on (19x8.5), and then get them rebuilt to how I truly want them after(deeper sitting face,changed offset, maybe go to a 9 wide wheel). Cuz Im gonna need tires in at least a couple months... so quick fix solution that's still fixable after anyway. i try not to impulsively spend $1,500-$3000 as much as possible haha... trust me, its really hard not too right now...

**my front tires were actually done already. Paid $80 for a pair of used Michelins that were actually an upgrade. Will last me at least rest of summer, probably longer. Then they'll all 4 be dead.

rockstar143

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I never buy used tires because it feels like a waste since you spend $80-100 for mount and balance no matter what.

Ernest72

I have to agree. Used tires suck, new tires feel great. Also it's your only contact to the road, be cheap somewhere else.

rockstar143

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LOL...sorry, didn't mean to change the subject of the thread.
I just figure even if it's only 5K less miles...if I'm coughing up the same for install...I'd rather go all in and get new.

usdmJON

threepiece.us just posted this to IG




Those VSXX in 18x8 18x8.5 would be PERFECT and at only 1400 thats a steal! Those 5 spokes look sweet too and they are only 1000 for splitrims! All great wheels for great prices. You can contact threepiece.us to ask about the finish on each set. They do amazing jobs at refinishing and rebuild wheels. Theyre a one stop shop you can trust!!!

This is exactly how my wheels got imported. They we purchased in a container sale coming from Japan by VRwheels. Picked them off the container for an easy 1000.

For shits and giggles... you can still google search the ad from when my Work Wheels were first imported.
http://vrmotoring.blogspot.com/2010/...ls-18x838.html
They were first posted for sale on Tuesday, June 1, 2010

usdmJON

Bottom left you dont see very often. VIP status Work Wheels. Right now they arent very aggressive. But only $1200 is a great price for that model. In 18x8 +50 as I said they arent too aggressive but go 18x9.5 by adding 1.5in to the outer lip and theyd look great.

rockstar143

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Those actually aren't too bad.

You should seriously get some cash together and go into the refinishing business, Jon. You'd make some nice side money.

usdmJON

A new set of my favorite wheels are hitting the states soon.

Same wheels I have, Work VS-XX. These are polished and half an inch smaller being 7.5in. You can pay about $2000 and have them relipped to any size you want.

Polished faces. Forged lips. Looks like center caps included. Ive had crazy offers for my center caps alone!


Work VS-MX
5x114.3
18x7.5 +45
As is:$1049
Relipped:$2049
Shipped via container
Est arrival date 8-12 weeks
25% down 75% on arrival available
To purchase sales@threepiece.us
Free shipping in the lower 48 states

rockstar143

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that's crazy, those prices to re-lip although I'd guess it's a huge process!

usdmJON

With the $1000 extra being paid you would be getting 4 new outers at minimum or possible all new outer and inner barrels if the current inners wont allow for the offset you want.

Outer lips alone go for about $200 a piece for a decent price. Can easily cost more to source or have custom lips made because different wheels have different hole counts as well different designs be them straight or rolled flange or a sandwich mount verse reverse mounted etc etc. You get either 4 new forged lips or 4 new forged lips and barrels. As well the labor of disassembling each wheel carefully as to not ruin the faces. Stripping the mounting surfaces of the faces as well any barrels still being used. Then careful reassembly as to not ruin brand new polished lips or faces.

So either $200 per lip +$200 labor or possibly $200 for new lips and barrels +labor.

You can do it yourself. It'll save about $200.

rockstar143

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Hell no...
I haven't ventured into 3 piece territory...I'll stick with flow formed for now.
Either way, great wheels...not sure Ayooooo Marine is even buying wheels anymore. Especially if they ain't chrome!

aomechmarine

No, it was $80 for everything out the door. $40 for each front tire, mounted and balanced. I'm on stock wheels still, that probably makes a difference compared to aftermarket plus sized wheels.

I do take issue with the guy saying used tires suck. It's relative. This was simply a quick fix for the time being. I'm actually riding on better rated tires then what the stock was. It's a few months later and they are still OK. That being said, when they are dead, then I will do either a full set replace with brand new tires, or upgrade to brand new tires and wheels.

I only bought used tires because the rear ones were still good. It made no sense to spend $500-ish on tires (I'm going with pretty great sport tires) when I'm trying to get bigger nicer wheels... where I'll have to buy new tires again...

I could see you saying I was being cheap if I had replaced all 4 and was doing that instead of buying new tires as a regular habit. That's being cheap. I'm simply doing a quick fix. As I said, I even got higher rated tires. I technically upgraded. They told me I should get about 10k miles more and then I'd have to replace all 4. I've already gone over 5k on them, and they have a little life left.

I also wouldn't hate on someone if they got 4 used tires cuz they were broke at the time, but they needed tires for the time being. Doing that as a regular habit = cheap. Getting used tires cuz you're broke and just need some tires = doing what you gotta do to get by.

The only thing that screwed me was the fact that the fuckers lost my owners manual... of course, they deny it...

HairyMonkey019

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The wheels you named with a gold face and chrome lips has been done many times. You won't really be jocking anyone.

aomechmarine

So I'm still VERY interested in getting wheels... BUT... Couple of issues...
1). I was helping my sister finish registered nursing school, she graduates on Friday, still waiting on her license. Priorities.
2). I actually almost bought a set of Weds Bazeria's... But when I went to test fit them and everything... I was super disappointed in the actual weight of the wheels. They were pretty damn heavy!! Although they looked sexy. That and i realized that if i go over 19x8.5 (these were 19x9) that I will have to pull / do some fender work to avoid rubbing. Or really camber the rear wheels. Which I think looks stupid.

I'm still trying to get wheels, but I'm mainly looking at a few important things. I'm going for a sport luxury look. I want to improve looks AND performance. So that means lighter wheels then stock, or at least close to the same, with wider wheels for more grip. IF the car was pushing major WHP, the wheel weight probably wouldn't matter to me as much. There's been a few supercharged/tuned/showcar ILX's, and they all used 19x8.5 wheels. I think they knew what they were doing.

I'm a cheapass trying to buy a set of used wheels, so this makes the process take MUCH longer. It's funny, I've tried contacting a few people SELLING wheels, and THEY were the flakiest people ever?! WTF?! Like - dude, do you wanna make some money, or NOT?! LOL

Part of me just says fuck it, and go with something tried and true like these...



I saw a set of these in black, they looked awesome. The only problem was they were the wrong drill pattern for my car...I'm actually staring to lean towards getting some forged wheels over 3 piece due to the weight savings... end of the day, I'm kinda picky, so this is just gonna take a while...

The new mid model change Honda Accord's Sport's come with 19 inch wheels, and the wheels look great, look aftermarket. The mid model change ILX has stock 18's. I want 19 inch wheels preferably. Would just feel weird to pull up to a Stock Honda Accord Sport with some stock wheels that are better looking and OEM quality wheels, compared to if I buy some random off brand 18's.

usdmJON

You can get forged 3 piece wheels... my 3 piece wheels are forged.

rockstar143

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Part of your 3 piece wheels are forged...
out of curiosity, what DO they weigh, your set, Jon?

AoM...I'm with you, man...that's what has led me back
Are those Weds TC105N? I ALMOST bought those for my car, but I am not a huge fan of the 5 spoke split vs 10 evenly spaced (like the Advan on my TL). So, I re-bought a staggered set off the guy I sold the Advan I had on my previous S2000. Sold them to him the week before I got my new S They're light...which was a huge goal of mine...at 17X9 with a 245 rear, I was only a pound heavier than the 17x7 with 215 front on the S.

Forged vs cast vs flow formed...I think it depends on the company because the Advan are known to be very strong and are flow formed. In comparison...a forged CE will normally be within a pound with same offset/size.

Anyway, I've been studying this ish for a bit...since it does interest me and although I don't go to a track, the way the car feels to drive is a big deal to me.

usdmJON

Yes part of my 3 piece wheels are forged. Thats the great thing about 3 piece wheels. Mine only cot $1G, hense the cast faces and forged barrels. The barrels are what matters the most. But of course if you want to take it up a notch go full forge. But you can buy 3 piece wheels with forged barrels and forged faces. Just as light as 1 piece forged wheels. That was my only point. To claim monoblock forged wheels are lighter than 3 piece wheels is false. A forged 3 piece wheel can be just as light as a monoblock forged wheel. Same shit really.

As for my specific wheels I do not know exactly. They would be very close to what VSXXs are which arent very light either. That's because of the cast faces but those cast faces also make these 3 piece wheels very affordable.

ABP UA6

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This will not go well...

VIP ILX? Lol...

usdmJON

Flow-formed IS cast. They just spin the wheel to make the cast denser. Like rolling or spin forming. Just a new fancy name for a process that has been used by companies like Enkei for a long ass time.


http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/....jsp?techid=90

When it comes down to it you just gotta think about the material grain is formed in each process. With cast wheels the wheel design is made by using a cast and pouring the alloy into the cast.

Flow formed means the cast has an extra step which spins it to create a denser grain make up. But the design is still the same as cast wheels meaning the same weak points exist... they are just not as weak.

In a forged wheel, the barrels are forged to the needed shape while most faces are CNCed. Making the barrels far stronger than the faces but both are forged.



My wheels specificly have flow formed faces as most of Work's 3 piece wheels see this process. Most of works wheels period see that process. As does Advan. My barrels and lips are forged so they are very strong. Faces are as well very strong. Probably as strong as advans flow formed wheels which are still about as strong as enkei's flow formed wheels.

aomechmarine

PFFFFT this little guy did it, i got this.

I'm not going for a strictly VIP build, as this car is not a true VIP platform. It's not a bigbody sedan, RWD, or v6+ motor.

But cars change and so does style. I live in California. I lived in Japan a couple years. I'll add my own style to my own car. I get compliments all the time as it sits now. I'm just trying to have fun with it.

If you had seen the ILX with the Weds Bazeria's? DAMN, you'd be eating crow right now...

If some Honda Wagons and Civics can stance and Go preety hard in the paint when it goes to VIP style, the ILX can easily keep up man.

aomechmarine

The ILX Street build car used some Volk Racing G25's.

I do know that a lot of 3 piece are forged... The
wheel had tires mounted, so that really exaggerated the weight. The wheels may have actually been a decent weight. Long story short, It wasn't the right buy. The guy wanted a lot more then others and I think I'll be pretty happy with 19x8.5, so i need to just keep looking for that or pretty close.

On a random side note, my Skunk2 Header split today! I had to take it in and throw on the stock cats.The cars was INSANELY loud, I was basically running with zero header or exhaust. LOL

Dudes at the shop told me to try and just get a replacement or cash back... We'll see what happens...

usdmJON

You mean junk2.

rockstar143

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some leon hardritt's just popped up on flip for $2K...I think they're nice.

as far as flow forming...no, it's not just as simple as calling it a cast wheel...it's a lot stronger, and can be much lighter. Forged is best...hands down...but at what cost?

aomechmarine

I'll wait until they burn me on customer service to shit on them LOL.

On another note... since I was basically running open header, it was hauling ass! But the noise was TERRIBLE. Sounded like SHIT!

Also forgot to mention that my tires are all pretty done now. Checked them out when I was under the car on the lift at the shop that switched out the downpipe for me.

One of the used tires just lasted really well for some reason. The two front's were Michelin's, both rated better then stock. I'll have to take a good look at what specific one the driver side was. When I was just looking for a quick fix, I went to 3 different tire shops and asked what they had used in my tire size. Then I actually looked at them. Then I googled the ratings really quick on my phone. Those were the better tires I found.

Do or die time right now, cuz rainy season is coming/here... not worried about weather messing up my wheels because I live i California. But I definitely need some grip in the rain. So if I don't find some wheels I really like soon, then I'll just get really good tires.

aomechmarine

Waiting to see if I can get a Cyber Monday deal, or a Black Friday deal on wheels/tires. My Skunk2 header busted, so I need/want a replacement header ASAP and I'm adding 1- 4 more suspension bars... And I want to get Flashpro and get tuned already.

I wanted some BBK, but I've driven a few cars with them recently and the response was honestly just too harsh for my daily driving tastes. Although i could see it maybe being justifiable after Forced Induction.


Worst case scenario, I guess I'll just upgrade to some dope tires for the time being.

aomechmarine

I stopped by Buddy Club USA to get my new downpipe to replace the broken Skunk2 downpipe. They have some wheels for sale, $500 for all 4, spun cast/flowformed, Made in Japan, 19x8.5+36, 26 lbs each. I believe this is roughly +1 lb per wheel. Not exactly bad for +2 sizing and 1.5 wider each wheel. The wheels aren't my favorite, but they do actually look pretty good... Hypothetically, these would be a decent set for a stop gap... I could get some nice new tires to go with these and be set to go for a a couple more years or until I just sell them to someone with the tires for roughly what i paid just for the wheels... if I don't find anything soon.... this may be the route I go. We'll see what Cyber Monday and Black Friday have to offer... Like I say, tires are basically done now, so time to get into something...

Also saw some 19x8.5 Privat Zentralle wheels sold by an aftermarket company.$200 bucks, look to be in excellent condition. They used the wheels for a show car Altima, and I guess they are just taking up space now. The wheels are made by Konig (UGH, not really a fan).

*** Part of my reasoning being that it will be easier to sell off used Buddy Club wheels with tires, or any aftermarket, then it will be to sell off used ILX wheels with tires. The ILX wheels I can only probably sell off for like $300, if i want a quick sale. And it might take a while no matter what. Plus then I still have to sell off spacers...

usdmJON

Buddy Club usually makes good shit. $500 for a set of wheels would have me looking into how safe they are. See if there are any poor reviews on buddy club wheels. If not then go for it.

As for Privat. They make fake a fuck Faux Piece wheels with fake bolts.
I can support people buying reps if they are safe, cost effective, and not faking the funk. Privat fakes the funk at every corner. Fuck them. Fake ass bolts and replica LM caps.

aomechmarine

Yea the Private Zentralle just looked alright, nothing special. Weren't going for the fake 3 piece look. Price is right? I guess...

The price for the Buddy Club wheels is simply because it's the last set of a run. They are discontinued and just chilling out at the warehouse. They are spun cast, not like their top racing wheels which are forged. I would need to get hubcentric rings... and I'm not really sure, but I'm pretty sure they aren't TPMS compatible, but there's a few work arounds to that... Right now I am leaning towards haggling them and seeing what's the lowest they can go... Cash Is king of course.... I also did a check on

Online Wheel and Tyre Fitment Calculator. Offset, Tyre Stretch and Speedo Error | Will They Fit

and the fitment should be NICE. It's these. They may actually be lighter (pretty sure they are, actually).



P1Racing II Plus
"P1Racing II Plus wheels offer cutting edge styling while maintaining Buddy Club race worthiness. Much in the same fashion as the forged P-1 racing II wheels the P-1 racing II Plus have the same sophisticated polished outer rim, the trademark 6-spoke lightweight Buddy Club design, but in a cast version."

aomechmarine

OK so I went with some Pilot Sport A/S 3 tires for now. Something else recently popped into my head.... The fact is I'm running wheel spacers... so a wheel that is comparable in weight to stock would actually still be a pretty big improvement in unsprung weight. I still REALLY want 19x8.5... BUT... I'm not gonna lie, I've seen some good stuff at 18x8.5 and 18x9... which would most likely be more functional... I like function over form BUT.. man I live in California... Car wheel looks matter... we have great weather, gotta enjoy the looks of the ride a bit...LOL
At least this gives me a while to shop around for a long while...

Maybe I'll still do the Buddy Club Wheels? Close to stock weight, don't look too bad, and no more spacers means weight savings... HMMmmmmmm