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Old 08-08-2015, 11:05 AM
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Front End Replacement

Wasn't exactl sure which thread this should go in so I went here to the susp. thread.

Alright guys so I purchased a front end suspension kit. Complete with upper/lower control arms, tie rods, sway bar links, everything that..."suspends" the car from the ground

So my next question is... Upon replacing these myself before having it aligned, should I purchase a torque wrench if I don't already own one? I've heard its a necessary tool I've heard it's unnecessary. Ibe never replaced a front end before so this is new to me as well.
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A torque wrench is always a useful tool. I'd try to get one if you can. Cheap ones can be found at Harbor Freight. You don't want to question if a bolt is tight enough when it's your suspension.
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it's not needed, tighten has tight as you can get them without using a long cheater bar or getting crazy. Most ball joints and tie rod ends use castle nuts. The nuts for the control arms are usually self-locking. rebuilt hundreds of front ends never once did I use a torque wrench.

The amount of force it takes to remove the nut will be an indication how tight you need to get them.
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i would say a torque wrench is needed for jobs that arent "tighten as hard as you fucking can"

like previous poster said, the amount of force it takes to remove will be an indication on how much to tighten it


lug nuts are 80lbs

the bolts on top of the intake manifold are 8-10lbs!
8-10lbs you cant feel and will likely over tighten and strip!!
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Originally Posted by justnspace
i would say a torque wrench is needed for jobs that arent "tighten as hard as you fucking can"

like previous poster said, the amount of force it takes to remove will be an indication on how much to tighten it


lug nuts are 80lbs

the bolts on top of the intake manifold are 8-10lbs!
8-10lbs you cant feel and will likely over tighten and strip!!
I would say your just a tool that has never been paid to fix someone's car for a living asshole. And since when do you have to jack with the intake when dealing with the front suspension dick.
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Justin is definitely the right tool for the job!
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Originally Posted by rcb2000
I would say your just a tool that has never been paid to fix someone's car for a living asshole. And since when do you have to jack with the intake when dealing with the front suspension dick.

please, I wasnt associating the intake manifold with suspension work, sir. I merely stated that you will need a torque wrench for a job that YOU CANT FEEL BY HAND.

and ON TOP OF THAT, I was agreeing with you, you asshat.

I clearly stated that you dont need a torque wrench for tightening things as tight as you possibly can.

which is the same as you stated.


so please, be a dick some more!
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I even "thanked him"

which is the equivalent to "thank you for your response, I agree with you"
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Originally Posted by justnspace
i would say a torque wrench is needed for jobs that arent "tighten as hard as you fucking can"

like previous poster said, the amount of force it takes to remove will be an indication on how much to tighten it


lug nuts are 80lbs

the bolts on top of the intake manifold are 8-10lbs!
8-10lbs you cant feel and will likely over tighten and strip!!
Most 1/2 drive torque wrenches won't go under 20 ft-lbs, a small torque wrench and a bigger one are in order if you want to do everything exactly. Otherwise for most smaller jobs, unless critical, you can hand tighten it if it's less than 20ft-lbs...

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I would say your just a tool that has never been paid to fix someone's car for a living asshole. And since when do you have to jack with the intake when dealing with the front suspension dick.
lol wat?
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Originally Posted by rcb2000
I would say your just a tool that has never been paid to fix someone's car for a living asshole. And since when do you have to jack with the intake when dealing with the front suspension dick.

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I wonder if a torque wrench would be helpful in the treatment of small peen syndrome?

I agree though, for suspension, I've never really bothered torquing to spec...grade 10.8 bolts can be torqued hard as fk. There is just a torque specification for every nut/bolt on the car because manufacturing takes automatic torque applications and computers don't accept inputs like "finger tight" or "torque it like you went back in time to the girl you first nailed to really show her how much you've learned and make that minute count".
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Shoot...when doing the valve cover gasket/adjustment on the TL...I used a inch pound torque wrench and tightened it with my pinky toes and STILL I managed to strip one of the bolts. I was like...DOH YOU DUMB SONOFAVITCH YOU KNOW BETTERRRRRR. FK YOU SCIENCE!!!
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Originally Posted by rockstar143
I wonder if a torque wrench would be helpful in the treatment of small peen syndrome?

I agree though, for suspension, I've never really bothered torquing to spec...grade 10.8 bolts can be torqued hard as fk. There is just a torque specification for every nut/bolt on the car because manufacturing takes automatic torque applications and computers don't accept inputs like "finger tight" or "torque it like you went back in time to the girl you first nailed to really show her how much you've learned and make that minute count".
German cars manufacturing process do have the Gutentight™ spec in the computers though. I know for sure.
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Originally Posted by rockstar143
Shoot...when doing the valve cover gasket/adjustment on the TL...I used a inch pound torque wrench and tightened it with my pinky toes and STILL I managed to strip one of the bolts. I was like...DOH YOU DUMB SONOFAVITCH YOU KNOW BETTERRRRRR. FK YOU SCIENCE!!!
LOL.

im always careful with those nuts, as finger tight doesnt get it tight enough, ahem, polobunny.
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I just palm a 1/4 ratchet!
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nothing like a bunch of twenty something tools.
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shit keeps buzzing in my ear.
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Originally Posted by rcb2000
I would say your just a tool that has never been paid to fix someone's car for a living asshole. And since when do you have to jack with the intake when dealing with the front suspension dick.
Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
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Originally Posted by rcb2000
nothing like a bunch of twenty something tools.
Hey Mr. ASE certified mechanic, where is your shop, I need my front end checked out















And i'm not talking about my car
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Originally Posted by rcb2000
The amount of force it takes to remove the nut will be an indication how tight you need to get them.
This is one of the dumbest fucking things I have ever read in my life.. and I read Dianetics three times.


Originally Posted by rcb2000
I would say your just a tool that has never been paid to fix someone's car for a living asshole. And since when do you have to jack with the intake when dealing with the front suspension dick.
And you're just a tool who has the reading comprehension of a jelly donut.

Originally Posted by rockstar143
I wonder if a torque wrench would be helpful in the treatment of small peen syndrome?
Maybe you should get one as well..

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Originally Posted by Majofo
This is one of the dumbest fucking things I have ever read in my life.. and I read Dianetics three times.




And you're just a tool who has the reading comprehension of a jelly donut.



Maybe you should get one as well..
just another fucking douche bag trolling on the net what a life you must lead.
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Originally Posted by rcb2000
just another fucking douche bag trolling on the net what a life you must lead.
You found your way back here..
I wonder how you find the time to grace us with your presence.. I mean.. with all the hundreds of front ends you're rebuilding.
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20 somethings...that's probably the funniest thing he's said.



oh and
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Originally Posted by rockstar143
20 somethings...that's probably the funniest thing he's said.



oh and
you old man, you.
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I'm your huckleberry...

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According to Dianetics.. because aliens.. horrible
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why he so mad though?
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Originally Posted by rockstar143
why he so mad though?
that's what I'm still trying to figure out, even after I agreed with him.
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I thought we agreed it was because small penis.. and aliens.
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He was like this a couple years back too.

He's just a grumpy ass person who didn't get his daily dose.
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He probably drives that ultimate driving machine......... RLX
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I don't think RLX even have a front end...
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I forgot how immature most of you are, and how little you actually know about fixing shit.
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Front End Replacement

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I forgot how immature most of you are, and how little you actually know about fixing shit.
Why you still here doe? Know it alls shouldn't need to browse forums. Don't let the e-door hit you on the way out
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