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I've looked for some comparative reviews between OEM Honda Brembo Pads (45022-SEP-A60) and the much cheaper Brembo P28059N pads made for the TL 6MT...but couldn't find much more than recommendations for other brands. Difference is about $60 and I'd rather save that if it's the exact same pads except for the "Honda" label. I've read one post that said that the Brembo P28059N's might not be made to the same Honda specs....but that was 1 data point. Anyone have any experience with the Brembo pads? Are they the same or are they different? If the latter, how so? Thanks.
Both are ceramic, aftermarket has slit in middle of pad material, not OEM, and looks like the OEM has a "built in" shim while aftermarket clip on.
Are they equivalent, probably not, will they be a good replacement, probably, but plenty of aftermarket front ceramic pads from $45.
Application depends on your driving habits, normal or maniac.
I'd go with the brembo ones. The slit in middle is a good thing, and as far as the shims go, I dont think it makes a difference whether its clipped on or built in. Why not save that $60?
Folks with the brembos get the CMAX Gold pads that have the lifetime warranty! Once they wear down bring them back in and you'll get a new free set!
That's what I decided to do. Mind you they don't have the same initial bite, but my seatbelt locks during my normal braking. So, they still have plenty of bite and they last more than 30k like my OEM Brembos did. Plus almost zero dust.
No offense gentlemen, but I'm going to steer this back to my original question which is comparative assessments between the 2 brands I mentioned i.e. OEM Brembo from Honda and the Brembo item that's cheaper. Like I said in my original post, all I'm finding when I search the forums is recommendations for OTHER pads...that's not what I'm looking for. I'm targeting OEM Honda Brembo Pads (45022-SEP-A60) and the much cheaper Brembo P28059N. I really don't care about other pads at this time. If there are no other reviews between these 2 then so be it. I went ahead and bought the Honda ones for now since I do need to get the replaced...but will save any data points for the next purchase.
According to this link. The Brembo P28059N pads are "Specifically designed for the North American market, this Brembo formulated friction material with premium shim offers comfortable, quiet, smooth braking and cleaner wheels."
I may be presumptuous but I think they're essentially just a regular old ceramic pad with a built in "premium" shim much like the Duralast Gold Cmax, the O'reilly's Brakebest Select Ceramic or even the Bosch BC1049 pads. I personally don't think they'll perform significantly better than the others I mentioned, and they definitely won't perform as well as the OEM semi-metallic pads.
Sorry to revive an old thread but the The Brembo P28059N are made in China... hence the deep price discount. The Honda/Acura Part Number: 45022-SEP-A60 are made in Italy. I have used both with racing brake 2 piece rotor ( Two-piece rotor (Open Slot) - TL (Brembo) FRONT 04-08 ) The pads made in China(which have red shims attached) are complete crap. Used them less than 5k miles and could not wait to get them off. They squeak, they vibrate, they suk. Replaced with OEM acura (which you have to attach and grease shims yourself) and car brakes back to normal, which in my opinion is amazing. Deal with the dust if you push your car and want to stop when you want to stop!
Just want to revive this thread, the Brembo aftermarket, one with the "Red" shims, are not OEM, they are just like a generic ceramic pad material, the OEM Brembo/Acura pads are my nay Ferodo, I just serviced my TL's brakes and the original owner of my car has all OEM pads and rotors since she had it serviced at the dealer since the life of the car. The original pads are the same pads the Evo/Sti guys OEM pads, Ferodo made in Italy, hence price is expensive. A very popular and similar Ferodo DS2500 pads will run us $250 for the fronts. With that said, the red shim brembo ceramic pads are not great at all, I used them in my TSX before and they are horrible.
Just want to revive this thread, the Brembo aftermarket, one with the "Red" shims, are not OEM, they are just like a generic ceramic pad material, the OEM Brembo/Acura pads are my nay Ferodo, I just serviced my TL's brakes and the original owner of my car has all OEM pads and rotors since she had it serviced at the dealer since the life of the car. The original pads are the same pads the Evo/Sti guys OEM pads, Ferodo made in Italy, hence price is expensive. A very popular and similar Ferodo DS2500 pads will run us $250 for the fronts. With that said, the red shim brembo ceramic pads are not great at all, I used them in my TSX before and they are horrible.
Thank god, I bough a set and some how going with Cmax for installation and so far I am pretty happy with the result.
I also have a set of OEM pads handy for when its time to replace. Is there a shelf life for the Kit? I have had them for about a year, but when I bought them. They looked older still.
I have an 04 auto TL and my brakes are almost gone. Was thinking about getting Brembos but should i upgrade the calipers too since they come with more pistone....i believe 4 as opposed to 2. Also is it better to get grilled or slotted rotors or drilled and slotted?
I have an 04 auto TL and my brakes are almost gone. Was thinking about getting Brembos but should i upgrade the calipers too since they come with more pistone....i believe 4 as opposed to 2. Also is it better to get grilled or slotted rotors or drilled and slotted?
I have an 04 auto TL and my brakes are almost gone. Was thinking about getting Brembos but should i upgrade the calipers too since they come with more pistone....i believe 4 as opposed to 2. Also is it better to get grilled or slotted rotors or drilled and slotted?
You will need to get spindle from a MT TL or 07-08 Type S since the 4 pods Brembo caliper won't fit on your AT. Slotted and Drilled/ slotted are pretty much useless and they cause slight vibration (pulsating) during moderate braking. I would recommend get blank rotor for a street car.
In my opinion it probably does not matter which one you go with as long as you arent bringing your car out to the track for the weekend. Go with the cheaper option and you will most likely not even know the difference.
Aren't they supposed to equivalent to the OEM pads?
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I have no experience with Centric 100 series, but it says it is OEM equivalent, maybe for regular driving these would work, but as for Centric brand brake pads, I think the Stoptech Street or Sport pads are their "best" pads for the market. As for our Brembo pads, we have tons of options out there as we use the same pads as the evo/sti/cadillac OEM Brembo with an FMSI 1001 , meaning the shape of our pads. My question is what do you guys use for the rear? Our fronts I assume are a lot stronger than the rear, funny thing is we do not have a lot of options for the rear, even the OEM Acura/Honda pads for our front and rear do not match since our fronts are made by Ferodo which is high end sport/racing pads from Italy and the rear is the regular daily driver Honda pads mostly manufactured by Advics or Akebono to name a few.
First off they ain't even produced by brembo, even the dealer will tell you that.
I've changed my front pads 3 times over a 100k of driving and rears are in perfect shape never changed or resurfaced, nothing has been done and it flawless after a 100k of driving.
BTW: I saw someone above say the OEM Brembo pads are Ceramic. This is not true. They are NAO (Non Asbestos Organic). Stoptechs are as well.
Is this correct? Organic is the material used?
I've been running Akebono Street Performance and I am going back to 100% authentic OEM Brembo to compare. What is the meaning of Ferodo under Friction Material on the box?
So I did some research and Brembo only makes calipers and outsources pad manufacturing. Italian company Ferodo is that choice who is a top supplier of OE pads, especially in the European market. This pad is Non Asbestos Organic material, specifically Ferodo 4447 which is their secret blend for the TL. I felt the street performance Akebono ceramics I had on my previous TL took a toll on my rotors and created some brake pulse early, where as the organic keeps the rotor nice and smooth. The Akebono street performance was great at braking with minimal dust though.
I'm very glad I found this thread. I've had to replace my worn out pads on my 08 TL-S, and had bad luck every since. Squeeking every pad I have tried. First, I tried semi-metallic from o'reilly's, they squeeked. Then, the Centric oem pads that squeeked and were only $30.00 for a pair of pads. Lastly I got the Brembo pads (from Rock Auto) made in China with the red shims and they squeak. Important to say, I had the rotors turned, and was hoping to have a no noise ride, but the new Brembos from China squeak too. I consider getting the real Oem brembo pads made in Italy https://www.hondaacuraonline.com/oem...nt-45022sepa61
I just don't know if it is the pads or the rotors now, I am sick of the squeeking in my TL-S!
I'm very glad I found this thread. I've had to replace my worn out pads on my 08 TL-S, and had bad luck every since. Squeeking every pad I have tried. First, I tried semi-metallic from o'reilly's, they squeeked. Then, the Centric oem pads that squeeked and were only $30.00 for a pair of pads. Lastly I got the Brembo pads (from Rock Auto) made in China with the red shims and they squeak. Important to say, I had the rotors turned, and was hoping to have a no noise ride, but the new Brembos from China squeak too. I consider getting the real Oem brembo pads made in Italy https://www.hondaacuraonline.com/oem...nt-45022sepa61
I just don't know if it is the pads or the rotors now, I am sick of the squeeking in my TL-S!
I'm very glad I found this thread. I've had to replace my worn out pads on my 08 TL-S, and had bad luck every since. Squeeking every pad I have tried. First, I tried semi-metallic from o'reilly's, they squeeked. Then, the Centric oem pads that squeeked and were only $30.00 for a pair of pads. Lastly I got the Brembo pads (from Rock Auto) made in China with the red shims and they squeak. Important to say, I had the rotors turned, and was hoping to have a no noise ride, but the new Brembos from China squeak too. I consider getting the real Oem brembo pads made in Italy https://www.hondaacuraonline.com/oem...nt-45022sepa61
I just don't know if it is the pads or the rotors now, I am sick of the squeeking in my TL-S!
Your rotors may be the issue since you went through so many types of pads. Do you know for sure what type of pads were on there before?
It is cheaper to slap on some centric blanks than to "try" the OEM pads at their price if it's just for squealing. OEM pads are great if you're specifically looking for it for their characteristics. If you can, post some pics of the rotors.
Your rotors may be the issue since you went through so many types of pads. Do you know for sure what type of pads were on there before?
It is cheaper to slap on some centric blanks than to "try" the OEM pads at their price if it's just for squealing. OEM pads are great if you're specifically looking for it for their characteristics. If you can, post some pics of the rotors.
Yea, the shop that turned my rotors had to do it twice, they messed up the first time, said the machine was set wrong, and my brakes pulsated, and badly pulsated when I was braking. I went back and they resurfaced the rotors, and put new pads, but they still squeak. The rotors are slotted rotors, so I will have the rotors checked like you suggested.
Yea, the shop that turned my rotors had to do it twice, they messed up the first time, said the machine was set wrong, and my brakes pulsated, and badly pulsated when I was braking. I went back and they resurfaced the rotors, and put new pads, but they still squeak. The rotors are slotted rotors, so I will have the rotors checked like you suggested.
Yeah, I'd lose those rotors for sure; with the money you've spent so far you could have put on some of the trick StopTech Cryo blank rotors and been good to go with quite a bit of money still in your pocket.
What is the advantage to cyro treated rotors? I mean..I get that it makes the rotors less prone to cracking. But...are street driven TL's cracking rotors?
Rotors on rockauto are like $20 or something usually. Why'd you choose to turn the rotors if you were buying pads anyway?
My recommendation is to buy new rotors. I'd buy BLANK ones with a coating so the hats don't rust (only a cosmetic concern). Just pick a brand. Cheap ones are fine. Its just a rotor.
And then use an OEM type pad (NAO, from what I'm reading above), and bed them in properly.
Pads tend to squeal a little on fresh rotor surfaces. And virtually all pads benefit from a bed-in.
Make sure the proper points are greased with proper grease (anti seize is not the proper grease, in case you went to some old school shop).
Stoptech Sport (309 part number) is a good NAO pad. NAO's should be pretty silent after a proper bed in. But they won't work properly without that procedure. They work by using a transfer layer on the rotor. You need to deliberately put that layer down.
What is the advantage to cyro treated rotors? I mean..I get that it makes the rotors less prone to cracking. But...are street driven TL's cracking rotors?
This was kind of my left-handed way of saying an unnecessarily expensive set rotors would A) have cost a lot less, and B) cured his issue.
I went to another shop (and they checked my brakes and did it for free!), the manager said there was virtually no prep work done on the brakes and the did something to the rotors to address the noise, he said the grooves were gone. He also removed something from the pads (the brembo copies with red shims from China) Anyway, he test drove my TL, heard the high pitched squeeks, then worked on the rotors, and drove it, no noise. I got it back, and no noise so far, my brakes even feel different when braking. Very thankful to that shop! Hope it lasts!
Cmax Gold Ceramic from Autozone at all four corners.Zero dust and GREAT BRAKING PERFORMANCE
I agree with you on the first point of no dust....the 2nd part of your statement depends on what you are comparing it to. They work just find and dandy for me, but they are in no way "great" when you benchmark them against the OE Brembo pads. I am on my 2nd set of these now and when this wears out, I will go back for another free replacement.
This is what I believe they are: For those that prefer zero dust, these are probably the best compromise when it comes to low dust, price, warranty, and decent daily driving braking characteristics.
No lie, I have ~200K miles on a set of RB ET300 pads I'm totally astonished at how long they've lasted and there is still a ton of pad material left. I don't think they're quite up to par with the OEM Brembo pads, but great performance with little to no dust. Just took this picture last week:
Yea, the shop that turned my rotors had to do it twice, they messed up the first time, said the machine was set wrong, and my brakes pulsated, and badly pulsated when I was braking. I went back and they resurfaced the rotors, and put new pads, but they still squeak. The rotors are slotted rotors, so I will have the rotors checked like you suggested.
Unless they used the lathe that resurfaces the rotors on the car, they'll never be perfect. That's why the dealers do it that way so the new surface is perfectly perpendicular to the wheel hub and spindle. I just replace the rotors whenever I replace the pads.
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01-19-2015, 07:33 PM
Brembos worth it?
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