MyGuti

Hey everyone,
I am sitting at just over 150,000 km on my 07 TL and want to get the 105K service done pretty soon here. I figured I have some spare dough and why not have the peace of mind getting it done a bit earlier. So I will be ordering the TKH002 Timing Belt Kit from Rockauto which is made by AISIN. I was just wondering if you guys would chime in with suggestions as to what else to have completed during the 105k service. I will be getting it done through a local reputable shop. Nothing besides air filters and oil changes has been done on the car since I've owned it.

I contacted the local Acura Dealership and retrieved the reports for the vehicle, however, it did not state what has been replaced so I will be contacting them back to see if spark plugs or anything like that have been done in the past few years.

Just wondering what you guys would suggest to also get replaced while the cars in the shop?

The AISIN Kit from Rockauto includes the following components, so anything outside of these....

• AISIN Water Pump
• AISIN Hydraulic Tensioner
• Koyo Idler Bearing
• Koyo Tensioner Bearing
• Mitsuboshi Timing Belt
• Water Pump Gaskets & O-Rings

thoiboi

Megathread here: https://acurazine.com/forums/third-g...ics%2A-784622/

justnspace

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might as well change out the oil filter pump gasket, since it will be right underneath timing belt cover.

MyGuti

@thoiboi I've looked through that thread and besides the op listing the initial parts he switched, others don't really vary from it. The parts listed by the OP are included in the AISIN Kit no? I tried to look up the different names and see if they are the same parts with just variations in their names, but did not reach a conclusion.

A few things I've added outside of the AISIN kit are:
- sparkplugs, I added 4 but not sure if that's the right amount
- thermostat
- upper and lower radiator hoses
- gates belt drive

@justnspace - thanks!

nfnsquared

Why are we doing this in a new thread?????

thoiboi

This has never been discussed before duh

BreezyTL

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Sounds like the right stuff! Have fun!

UlsterBoy13

4 spark plugs

BreezyTL

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some people are slower learners or less mechanically inclined than others. cut the dude some slack! then again any little search will tell ya its a 6-banger....

MyGuti

Thanks guys, I made a separate thread for this because after sifting through the mega thread and spending a good amount of time looking for answers to questions I had, I did not receive any conclusive ones. Problem with the mega threads is the topic often deviates from the original question(s). So I figured by creating a new thread, with less pages to sift through, more people would find answers to questions they may have without having to waste a lot of time reading posts about things that are not related to the thread.

Thanks for the help again, and sorry for not having searched the spark plug number, got busy at work so I chose the lazy way out lol

justnspace

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^no worries, we got you.

UlsterBoy13

good luck. what price will shop be doing this for?

MyGuti

I am getting this done at the shop as well, as I stated in my original post.But because I am supplying my own parts I wanted to make sure to have everything I need. Shop mechanic was very clear that if I had parts that did not fit, he would charge me additional labor. So wanted to avoid that. Again, my bad on the spark plugs, but I am a novice at best with mechanical things. I've only switched out air filters and plasti dipped my car by myself lol. I wouldn't dare tackle these jobs on my own.

MyGuti

Parts are costing me about 430 shipped to my door, and 20 bucks less shipped to a PO box at the border. But I am thinking to just pay the extra 20 and avoid the duties and taxes plus headache at the border bringing this many parts across. so 430 plus 110 per labor. roughly 5 hours of labor I believe the mechanic said.....so grand total 980. Ill probably pay cash and avoid tax ontop

mazen222

I did spark plugs, oil change, water pump, oil filter gasket, tensioner pulley, timing belt, and radiator cooling hose

I got tired of dealing with street garage so i just did all of this at Acura to ensure the job is done properly and is under warranty. It cost me an arm and a leg... (double your estimate) but at least i know the job is done properly.

If you know and trust a very good mechanic then i guess thats the way forward but i lost trust in mine so i didnt have a choice. I didnt want him to come back later saying the water pump i had purchased was defective and i would have to cover the labor...

anyway, good luck with all this, its big job but very important

MyGuti

Thanks @mazen222, appreciate the insight.

Roger555

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What about the Front Camshaft seals? Some kits includes these too.

Front Camshaft Seals x 2
Honda / 91213-R70-A02

Front Crankshaft Seal
Honda / 91212-R70-A02

MyGuti

@Roger555 I don't even know what those are lol. I'll look up the parts and see how much they will run me.
Any idea what part to search for if Im looking to swap the 3rd and 4th gear pressure switches.....?

Roger555

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the only reason I mention it is because they are in this kit. I have a manual so not sure about the pressure switches. Should be able to easily navigate to them through Acura Parts | Genuine Acura OEM Parts | Acura Parts Cheap

Genuine Honda Acura Timing Belt Water Pump V6 Original Manufacture 3 2 3 5 3 7 | eBay

MyGuti

yeah thanks for posting that. That kit is waaaayy overpriced though. Im picking up the kit in my first post plus all the add ons mentioned thus far for almost 100 bucks cheaper than that one!

Roger555

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Ya but are all the parts Honda? This kit is $100 cheaper than Acuraoemparts discount price. I would not use any aftermarket part's especially with this repair. Even if the aftermarket parts are made by the same manufacturer that does not mean its made to the Hondas spec necessarily. I'll pay $100 more just for the peace of mind.

MyGuti

The kit I posted in my first post has been used by many and is an OEM spec kit. Meaning it is genuine parts, I think there is only one part of that kit that is not the original part number used in our cars. As far as the ebay kit goes, sure it is OEM, but it is over priced by a lot.

I added numerous parts to the kit posted in my first post, and I still come out more than 100 bucks cheaper. Rockauto is where I order all my parts for, for all my cars. They have unbelievable customer service and fast shipping, plus throw in a 5% discount code = cant go wrong.

Roger555

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OEM spec is not the same as OEM. I use Rockauto for buying aftermarket parts for my old Acura occasionally. I specifically never use aftermarket parts even with my old car if they have any rubber or bearings. I have been burned in the past and its just not worth the hassle (to me).

https://www.intelligrated.com/sites/...per_v1_r11.pdf

Mr24v

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Everything in the Aisin Kit is OEM (on the TL when new) except the timing belt.

Roger555

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Aisin might manufacturer these parts for Honda but that does not mean they are the same.

Right off the bat we know their aftermarket water pump does not have the Honda logo so the mold is different, most likely a completely separate mold because Honda would own their mold. Next for the Honda spec water pump Aisin cannot deviate from XYZ bearing specified by Honda. If is cheaper, Aisin may manufacture their Aisin branded pumps with ...but they still HAVE to use XYZ bearing for the Honda pumps. Most likely Honda also has a specific QC plan in place at the Aisin manufacturing facility. This same QC plan is not necessarily in place for their Aisin branded pump so there could easily be a higher rate of defective product going out the door.

So unless someone here has an inside connection at Aisin facility nobody can say for sure. Arguably one of the most important parts of the water pump is the grease the bearing is packed with, which could be easily skimped on with cheaper grease (Quality grease is very expensive!!).

With that said, no they are identical parts, but the Aisin might be a quality product, only time will tell. I'll gladly pay the extra $100 premium for Honda parts not to find out, especially on a service due every 105K.

Roger555

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Oh one last thing! The OEM water pumps are no longer made my AISIN, they are made by YAMADA now.

MyGuti

I dont really understand your post besides the grease lol, but yeahh. Several members have had nothing but success from the AISIN KIT so ill stick with that. 100 bucks isnt much for you US Folks, but for us Canadians that exchange rate is a biiiiattch

DMZ

Paul, our star master mechanic in NJ, says only change those seals if they're leaking, If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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sockr1

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^^ when I took my car in for a 105k service the shop said the same thing. They said they do not recommend changing them if they are not leaking. They said the seals work best over time and putting in new stiff ones have a better chance of leaking

Roger555

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Sounds like bullshit to me! Nothing on a car works better overtime

Jackass

My crankshaft seal was just fine at my 105k service....but it was leaking within the next year or so.

Roger555

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Exactly! I have heard of many instances of this seal leaking. Maybe with some things you can take the approach "if it aint broke dont fix it" but this doesn't seem like one of them. Might as well reuse your old water pump and tensioner with that logic if they are not leaking.

Roger555

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Seals get stiffer overtime not softer

nfnsquared

My seals were still fine at 215K....

Jackass

Exactly...always going to be a toss-up here. Leave them alone, they may leak in 6 months or maybe in 6 years....change them and they may not leak for 6 years...but may leak in 6 months. You can't really win here.
Do any of us really think our seals failing are a true and common issue? Doubtful. Is it generally "good" practice to replace them while things are already apart? I would say so. The seals are no where near as potentially catastrophic as the water pump or tensioner...usually more of an annoyance and just expensive to do on their own.

DMZ

Mine were fine at 225K.
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