TacoBello

6MT in canada was available in Redondo red (I had one), silver, some nasty blue, and yes, black. I think after the MMC, they changed the red to a brighter color. That was about it.

petdocmb

I'm not lying dude.
Here is my 05

Here is my 15:

polobunny

I'm sorry you chose the wrong color in your purchase...

polobunny

Do you sometimes sit or even drive your cars petdocmb? :P

petdocmb

Haha. Well they were all photographed when they were spotless. I take very good care of them. 😜

petdocmb

Just realized you were referring to Canada and not the US. My mistake. 😕

polobunny

Yeah just mild confusion, white wasn't available in Canada for some obscure reason. Never really understood why some colors were not offered depending where you are in the world. Is white less tolerant to cold or harsh weather and thus cannot withstand Canada?

petdocmb

The 7th gen v6 accords are a ton of fun (stay away from 03-04 automatics bc tranny is junk). However the current 9th gen (2013+) with v6 manual is just a total freaking animal. Not to be trifled with. Way more fun than a TLX if you can deal with the 2 doors lol.

TacoBello

Sorry to thread jack OP, (last post about this!) but I LOVED my color.







Too bad she didn't end up so well :Tongue:

petdocmb

^^^^^ that post just made me sad. 😨 Beautiful ride. Awesome color.

TacoBello

You and me both. Made me so sad losing her, but she did save my life. Had a medical incident while behind the wheel, put my foot down on the throttle while unconscious, and the rest is history.

How's the new Accord? Any complaints?

petdocmb

The new Accord is great. No complaints whatsoever. I picked it up late September and just turned 3000mi (~4800km) today. It can be quiet and sophisticated, but send it north of 4500 rpm and it lets you know that it means business.

JTYankFan

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petdocmb, I remember a while back when I was searching for a Type-S and inquired about your vehicles. Glad to see they still look the same. I just bought an 07 MRP in auto last month and I too couldn't be happier with the car in automatic. As an NSX owner, I will tell you that if you find one, trust me there will be no turning back and you will sell your KBP since you still have the MRP. I will also tell you that prices are climbing A LOT from the past couple years and unmolested models are becoming harder and harder to find. I've only had my TL for about 3 weeks and I've owned nearly 20 cars and I can honestly say it's one of the best cars I've owned. (The NSX is of course #1.)

gatrhumpy

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SOmetimes I miss my 04 Accord EX V6 Sedan. I loved that thing. Upgraded from that to my TL-S now. I think I like the TL-S a little better.

Majofo

Let me guess...

Getting road head, hit speed bump, bf bites penis off, you pass out, pull a justn by hopping curb, hit tree (45 mph), flames.. cheap hondacura interior accents are heat resistant, survive, pump bfs stomach, reattach penis, thatwasclose.png

Majofo

..... or... violent diarrhea due to eating taco bell... holding it in. Lose consciousness. Hit tree (again 45 mph).. same story minus penis re-attachment plus poop everywhere. getleatherseats.jpg

petdocmb

It's tough to price rare Acura vehicles in general, especially the NSX. Hence why I started this thread about my KBP. NSXs prices while all high, haven't really gone down on those with higher mileage or age. There are some that are over 20 years old still going for over 65 grand! I have a certain set of criteria for the one I want and am just waiting for the new NSX to come out. The new NSX looks and sounds amazing, but I'm not sure that it's going to light the automotive world on fire like the original did. Not that I can afford a new one at this time, but I really want to see what happens to the values of the original ones once the new one is released. My guess is that values won't change much if at all. However, if the new one is a superstar like the original, it may drag prices of the original down significantly. Last thing I want is to drop some serious coin on a 2002-2005 NSX and have its value drop until it reaches collector car age. How cool that you have one though and that you now have a TL-S with it! Damn! I thought I was fortunate with the new accord and the two TL-S', even though the red one belongs to my other half.

TacoBello

NSXs are simply just not worth it. They're fun to drive, and yes, I've had the pleasure to do so many times, but they're not 65k fun to drive.

Consider this: in 2004 you could get a 3.2L NSX, putting out 290hp and 224 lbft of torque, weighing 3150 lbs, 6-speed, limited slip diff. Cost was ~100k

In 2004 you could also get. 3.2L TL, putting out 258hp and 233 left of torque, weight 3480 lbs, 6-speed, limited slip diff. Cost? Well, you could almost get 3 TLs for the price of one NSX.

No, it doesn't have looks, but what I'm saying is performance wise it's pretty meh. Why would you pay 65k these days for a car like that? I could understand 40k for a pristine model...

By the way... Their value is only going up. It's been going up for the last 5 years... And shows no signs of slowing. They are definitely not going down.

I was seriously considering buying an 02-05 from the states (good luck finding a Canadian model... They're rarer than unicorns), but after paying taxes at the border, exchange rates, fees and levies, blah blah blah, a 65k US car becomes a 90k CAN car. No thanks.

truonghthe

^^^every man has his own taste in car, it not like that $65k NSX is not gona sell. NSX, Supra and RX-7 Turbo are legendary sport car that ever come out from Japan and reach the U.S

OP how is the power of a MT TL-S compare with your 7th gen Accord? I seen the 1/4 mile and 0-60 mph similar however Accord use less expensive gas at only 3.0.

TacoBello

Sure but for 90k these days I can buy a new M3, have money to spare for upgrades and still blow the doors off the NSX even if not modified. Plus I have full warranty.

Function > form. At least in my mind :Tongue:

Sadly, five years down the road, the NSX will probably be worth $75k US, where as the M3 will be worth about $34.50.

petdocmb

They are close. Pretty much a drivers race. Now the 9th gen....that will definitely win.

fa5rip

Thats clean !

JTYankFan

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I tell you what, go buy your M3 or M4 today (which is actually a very pretty car) and I can GUARANTEE you I could get MORE looks driving my 14 year old Acura NSX (and probably have more fun driving it) than a BRAND NEW M4. Don't get me wrong, the M4 and M3's are wonderful driving machines, but the NSX was wayyyyyyyyyy ahead of it's time. In fact, almost too much.. This is coming from someone who's owned Porsche, BMW, Lexus, and at last count 4 Integras (all GS-R's), 3 Legends (2 LS coupes and 1 GS), a TSX, and now an MDX, TL Type-S, and an NSX. Furthermore, we are talking US cars where we don't have border fees, exchanges rates, and all of that other stuff. An 02-05 NSX is ABSOLUTELY IMO worth the $65K plus that is asked for it in 2014. Sorry, but that's just my opinion.. (As well as a few others I imagine…) Does this look like a 14 year old car????

petdocmb

I can see paying 65 grand for an 02-05 nsx with miles under 30k. If there wasn't a new nsx on the way, I would do it as soon as the snow melts this spring. However, as you said, this car attracts a very specific kind of buyer. One who wants only the nsx. When faced with the choice between new versus old, I think most buyers will go for the new one, especially if it proves its metal. This has to create some doubt in your mind as to it this could possibly affect the price of the old ones.

truonghthe

Well 91 nsx with high milage goes for low $20 to high $20k, I will wait and see how much the BMW M4 worth after 20 years and see how much it worth (if they even made to then with a lot of mileage). The argument is invalid because it's like why spend 1 million to get a Bugatti since you can buy a AMS GTR and blow the door off the veyrron. Because people got money to spend and not care, unlike me have no money and be like I can spend $400k on a AMS GTR and still blow Bugatti door off. SMH.

aIRpeACE

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i rarely see any 20+ years old European cars. smh

Majofo

Supercar of the 80's.. built in the 90's.

truonghthe

Because they cost a fortune to maintains after warranty ended. The only classic German car I respect is the BMW 850 IL which has the M power motor. They are pair with nsx regard of rarity.

TacoBello

Lol, typical response from an NSX owner and the same response you'd see across the NSX forums, lol. Yes, it does look like an old car. It looks 25 years old with its pop up headlights and 4x4 suspension set up, which you'd never see on a modern sports car. Is it nice? Yes. But it is dated. The biggest reason NSX prices are so high is because everyone of their owners has this sentimental attachment to the car and think it's worth millions. And they also get butthurt if someone says otherwise. (I'm waiting for the response now ) That being said, I was looking at Buying an NSX for 6 months straight, and I would see the higher priced ones still on sale across that whole period. Owners thinking the car is worth way more than what it actually is. And no one was biting. The truly rare colors, like Imola orange, or white would sell, but more traditional red, black, silver would just sit.

You know, there was a time when Acura could barely sell the NSX? They had dust sitting on them in the show rooms in later years, trying their best to clear them out, because buyers knew that what the car offered wasn't worth the price tag.

Now, if you simply bought the car so people look at you, that's fine. Seems you're more interested in turning peoples heads. Im more interested in driving and I don't like getting attention from anyone, because people remember cars and I also don't like police attention.

Again, don't get me wrong, I LIKE the NSX and as I mentioned, was looking to buy one for a long period. I just don't think they're worth the price. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise either. I'm curious to know what the new NSX will do to the first gen pricing. I honestly can't speculate one way or another- I can potentially see them going up and I can potentially see them going down, for various reasons supporting each. I guess time will tell!!

TacoBello

NSXs are expensive to maintain as well. You will likely have less issues with things breaking, but if they do, they're generally not cheap. Maintenance items like the timing belt are quite expensive to do also.

truonghthe

Lol TB is the only thing you worry about the NSX it cost around $2300 to replace at acura dealer and now lets see the almighty M4 bill.

1. Plastic water pump let see how much does it cost when crack? $1200
2. DCT is a POS (German engineering lol) some time it loose half the gear within 30k miles and BMW dealer response was "can't replicate the issue", cost for replacement? $14,000. The car loose power and go to limp mode at that point even a 16 years old kid with a $8K Civic SI could BLOW your $80k BMW door off.
3. Idrive is total POS.
4. Turbo will goes bad eventually, cost replacement? around $5600.
5. Other electronic thing goes wrong, god know how much dealer cost?

They give you 4 oil change total since new and may be couple of wiper blade and front pads MAY be once. It's take 5 years to engineer but it only last for 3, now lets compare the resale value of wonderful BMW compare with car in the same class with less than 135k miles. 07 BMW 335i sedan go low as $10k here in Houston, TX. 07 Acura TL-S and 07 Lexus IS350 still go for $15k with similar mileage. Lets take a look at the "ultimate driving machine" 08 BMW M3 with 33k miles goes for $33k (search at $35k or less) with 20 listing, for the same search the 08 Lexus IS-F 52k miles listing for $35k with ONLY 3 listing. How the hell people want to get rid of their "ultimate driving machine"? Because everytime you brought the car to BMW dealer they always gave their customer running around before figuring what is the problems. BMW serice suck ball with almost no loaner even they do customer will have to make a 3 moths appointment (lets see you justified the premium price). Acura and Lexus dealer give you loaner with no running around and yes it could happen in the same week. BMW only good if you can afford to buy new and trade in every three years, other than that BMW is not thing but "The Ultimate Fixing Machine" once it get past 60k miles.

I hate people "If I buy", wait... the key words here is IF but some of us here still owe money on the TL and still make monthly payment (not me lol) nvm about buying a $80k BMW. There is a differences between IF and "IK looking to buy one", the problem is there is many "day dreamer".

PhilB81

Reasons why NSXs cost a lot is because their owners are intelligent, make good decision and don't endup in situation where they need cash and liquidate their crap.

Also, I see NSXs occasionally when I bring the TL in and I chat with the owners. Seems like the car runs forever and is cheap to maintain. One had 260k miles on it if I remember correctly... Anyways, I'd love to have an NSX, but it's not gonna happen.

JTYankFan

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WOW! I knew I might've had to put on the flame suit when I posted what I did but damn, I'm hurt! Therefore, I'd like to point out a few things regarding your response. How am I a typical NSX owner? I don't any have sentimental value for the car and by no means think its worth millions. (Bought the car in July of this year.) I don't know where you have been looking, but models in all colors unless they have some sort of history have been selling just fine. I looked for a good year before I pulled the trigger on mine. To continue, I didn't buy the car to just get looks from ANYONE. Like I said earlier, you can see 100 M3's all day, but if an NSX drives by, you will almost always get the thumbs up due to its rarity. (And regarding police attention, I guess IT DOES help that I have a shield in my pocket.. and don't have to worry about that.) Bottom line is, I always wanted one and am loyal to the Honda/Acura brand. I could've easily went M3, Lambo, or even F-car, but the associated costs to maintain them just don't make financial sense to me. $10K for a clutch job on a Lambo? That's insane.. When I set out in determining the disposable income I had for a toy that I could enjoy and not mess with the kids college fund, the NSX fit the bill. Lastly, looking at Hagerty, KBB, and NADA, with what I paid compared to current pricing, I am not really losing anything. (In fact, I'm up a few thousand already!) Since the NSX isn't a niche car that has history of always appreciating in value, I had one thing in mind when I bought it. To drive it when feasible and enjoy it..

On this note, just as a gauge for the car being expensive to maintain.. Remember, it's a Honda.. I just did my WP/TB, even did the 60K service along with it, AND replaced my clutch master and slave cylinder. Total bill with parts included by an NSX GURU and not the stealership? Not even $3K.. Try to do that with a Lambo or F-car!! The car needs nothing but oil changes for 7 years now!! Funny thing, I remember when I went to the dealer for an oil change and needed to replace an O2 sensor for the car. They wanted damn near $700! The sensor was $50 AND I replaced it myself!! Remember, it's a Honda!!

Majofo

Lost all credibility..

petdocmb

Lol BMW is overrated. I realize that we are all bias to Honda/Acura, but the only thing that bmw brings to the table is a "fun luxury driving experience". Something Acura also does very well. In regards to price, reliability, looks, interior comfort and cost of ownership, comparable Acuras trump it every time. As far as turning heads, a lot more heads get turned by my KBP TLS than some middling 335 that looks just like, well..... Every other bmw. When pitted with the choice, I would buy a low miles NSX over an M3 or M4 anytime!

TacoBello

I hate to break it to you, but NSX owners Arno different than any other expensive sport car owners. People that buy a Ferrari don't necessarily sell it because they have to liquidate it. I'm sure there are some. I'm sure there are some NSX owners as well in that same boat. Nonetheless, that doesn't stop the value from plummeting.

TacoBello

No, I don't mean to be flaming by any means. I knew I'd come off sounding like a bit of an ass, but that wasn't my intention at all. Just a healthy argument

Although NSXs do sell, the ones I'm interested in- the non modified, completely stock, decently low mileage, clean history, etc, command a huge premium. Yes, there are cheaper alternatives, but not ones I'm interested in. They also stay for sale forever because of their prices. Those owners typically think they have gods gift to the car world in their possession. Plus, I had no interest in NA1s. I feel if I bought one, I'd be regretting not getting an NA2. The sheer drop in production numbers from NA1 to 2 adds money too. I don't particularly care between fixed or pop up headlights (in fact, my favourite NSXs are from 97-01), aside from the later Imola Orange ones.

I also don't have the benefit of having a shield like you do. That definitely helps.

I started shying away from the NSX after I started thinking about being able to drive it. Like you said, it turns heads. Like most NSX owners, leaving it parked anywhere is always a worry. It might not necessarily get stolen, but damage does occur, and we all know what parking lots are like and what asshole jealous people are like also.

I'm rambling now. Sorry. Like I said previously, the price just doesn't justify it for me. Sure, if I won the lottery, why not. But like I said, even though I can afford it, for three price, I want more performance out of it, stock. I would never modify that car. It's also worth more stock.

Reading on Prime, many of those owners make me facepalm so hard, I feel like I'm slapping myself sometimes. Dare anyone say anything negative about the car and many of them go off like clockwork. It's mind boggling. Maybe you're more down to earth, and if so, I'm impressed. You're a rarity amongst many owners.

The combination of overall price, having to worry about the car, and so-so performance (by today's standards) made me shy away from the NSX.

The thing is, NSX gurus don't exist all over the place. I don't have the privilege of having someone who knows those cars inside out even anywhere close to me. NSXs are far and few between around here. I can't do major services myself, not because I don't know how, but because I simply do not have the time these days, so I'd be forced to go to a stealer ship. There are other super expensive things that crap out on the NSX, like the window regulators, which seem to go for 500/piece, which is why many guys choose to rebuild theirs, but that comes down to a time thing again.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the engine have to be removed in order to replace the timing belt?

Marge, what are you babbling about?

Majofo

omg.. can you stop bullshitting. NSX is not expensive to work on. Just stop.

Majofo

You going to convince us the TL is expensive too.. still waiting to see your receipts for $5k worth of work..

TacoBello

Marge, seriously, you're an idiot. Not exactly sure what you don't believe about that- why do you think not a single Canadian Acura dealer has an online parts store like so many do down south- oh wait, because they can't/won't compete. I haven't lied about anything else on this forum, but yes, let me lie about what it costs to maintain a car here. Because, you know, no other Canadian member would call BS on it ASAP.

And yes, I'll go running to the dealership right now to get parts and labour prices on 30 or so different things just to make you happy.

But hey, if paying 3k for a timing belt service on the NSX is pocket change, all the power to you.