Microsoft: Windows Phone News and Discussion Thread
10-14-2010, 02:11 AM
#41
Sanest Florida Man
why are you in this thread then? Just to roll your eyes? IDK why you're rolling your eyes, this thing is getting great praise from everyone that's seen it or used it. Or are you rolling your eyes cause it doesn't have an Apple logo on the back. I get that you don't have a mac but you've been come a kinda diehard iDevice fan and if anyone mentions a competitor you just roll your eyes or get defensive.
10-14-2010, 02:37 AM
#42
Never saw that commercial before (that they showed in the show), heh its pretty clever. I really wanna try a hands on with a Windows Phone now, really interested to see how the tiles work and how customizable it is compared to Android UIs. Only watched about 10-15 minutes from 2:50 and on though.
I thought it was interesting how he mentioned that Windows is flipping the script on Apple when it comes to their mobile devices.
I thought it was interesting how he mentioned that Windows is flipping the script on Apple when it comes to their mobile devices.
10-14-2010, 08:05 AM
#44
Banned
Custom ROMs and 'jailbreaking' has been around for awhile, Apple just made it popular (like they always do).
I ran custom ROMs on my Blackjack and Tilt for the longest time. Really, a device isn't yours until you make it so. Can't say I'm crazy about the standard look of WM7 so far. I'd like to see how it gets jazzed up by the folks over at xda.
I ran custom ROMs on my Blackjack and Tilt for the longest time. Really, a device isn't yours until you make it so. Can't say I'm crazy about the standard look of WM7 so far. I'd like to see how it gets jazzed up by the folks over at xda.
10-14-2010, 11:03 AM
#47
Sanest Florida Man
Yea you're just getting new tones not the ability to customize.
10-14-2010, 01:52 PM
#48
Sanest Florida Man
If you're interested in more about WP7 checkout live.twit.tv right now cause someone who's written a book about it and used it for the past couple months is talking about it right now.
10-22-2010, 09:59 AM
#49
'Big Daddy Diggler'
I started my smart phone life with WinMo, and loved it. I loved it until i experienced android/ios. I have High hopes for WinMo7. But it's going to take a lot to pull me away from android.
10-28-2010, 02:34 AM
#50
WTF? No visual voicemail? What is this, 2005?
Silly as it sounds, that's a dealbreaker right there. I'm absolutely spoiled by VV... I NEVER checked my voicemail before I got my first iPhone. No Flash OR HTML5 either?
I think chart has cemented my decision that my next phone will be an Android.
Silly as it sounds, that's a dealbreaker right there. I'm absolutely spoiled by VV... I NEVER checked my voicemail before I got my first iPhone. No Flash OR HTML5 either?
I think chart has cemented my decision that my next phone will be an Android.
10-28-2010, 03:07 AM
#51
Sanest Florida Man
That list while mostly true is a little misleading. The apps in WP7 are running on silverlight but the browser doesn't support silverlight. Flash is coming it's just not out right now. Also Office support and Xbox live integration is nowhere near as good on iphone or Android as it is on WP7. Same thing for copy and paste which they've already said early 2011 for that. I expect MS to be updating this OS often. Most of those missing features like threaded emails, unified inbox or visual voicemail can be added with little updates and others I'd expect by version 2.0.
MS doesn't even have a final desktop browser out that supports HTML5, I'd wait for IE9 to go final (probably in march) and then I'd expect them to release a mobile version of it afterwards. Currently their mobile browser from what I hear works just fine without HTML5 especially since the people that are making HTML5 (w3c) are telling developers not to deploy HTML5 yet cause it's still not ready or even final.
http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer...n-websites-041
MS doesn't even have a final desktop browser out that supports HTML5, I'd wait for IE9 to go final (probably in march) and then I'd expect them to release a mobile version of it afterwards. Currently their mobile browser from what I hear works just fine without HTML5 especially since the people that are making HTML5 (w3c) are telling developers not to deploy HTML5 yet cause it's still not ready or even final.
http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer...n-websites-041
Last edited by #1 STUNNA; 10-28-2010 at 03:10 AM.
10-28-2010, 07:06 AM
#52
Banned
They might catch up in time, but I expect the real developments to come from the 'hackers,' just like it did for Apple.
But yes, if you're in the market for a phone sooner rather than later, Android is the clear winner at the moment.
But yes, if you're in the market for a phone sooner rather than later, Android is the clear winner at the moment.
10-28-2010, 08:50 AM
#53
Team Owner
When Skyfire is released for Apple that'll help with them catching up to Android on phone functionality. But I still prefer Apple because of the apps and how we get them first. Windows got a loooong road ahead of them.
10-28-2010, 11:42 PM
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its been like 2 months or so since Skyfire submitted their browser to apple for approval.
i dont think its going to happen.
i dont think its going to happen.
10-29-2010, 07:49 AM
#55
Team Owner
I follow them on Twitter. They just tweeted last week that they've been working with Apple. They showed a demo and said it should be approved soon. Apple has been more open to apps lately since Android is gaining.
11-08-2010, 11:26 AM
#57
Sanest Florida Man
Oh sweet! Make sure you tell us what you think!
11-08-2010, 06:26 PM
#60
Sanest Florida Man
I've heard most people like the focus but engadget wasn't too thrilled with it but they did really like the venue pro
11-11-2010, 12:13 PM
#62
Team Owner
Report: 40,000 Windows Phone 7 devices sold
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20022373-75.html
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20022373-75.html
Microsoft's new smartphone platform is off to what could be considered a slower start than expected in North America. That's according to The Street, which has released a report saying that the company sold some 40,000 units on its first day on the market.
That number does not come from Microsoft, which has not yet released sales numbers and refused to comment to both The Street and CNET, but rather a source in a market research firm.
That number does not come from Microsoft, which has not yet released sales numbers and refused to comment to both The Street and CNET, but rather a source in a market research firm.
11-11-2010, 03:23 PM
#64
Sanest Florida Man
that sales article is bullshit. As if this thing was expected to sell gangbusters on it's first day in a mature market with two competitors that have all the mindshare. Let's see where it is in two years.
Plus these devices are only on AT&T why would you buy one of these instead of an iPhone for the same price? Wait till the come to Sprint and Verizon in 2011 and when these gets a few more features and it'll be an obvious decision over android.
Plus these devices are only on AT&T why would you buy one of these instead of an iPhone for the same price? Wait till the come to Sprint and Verizon in 2011 and when these gets a few more features and it'll be an obvious decision over android.
11-11-2010, 03:28 PM
#65
Sanest Florida Man
The SD card thing is basically MS originally said that the storage wouldn't be expandable but a few OEMs pressured MS to enable it and it relented and added some expandability support but it's really hit or miss because SD cards vary a lot in their performance characteristics and the SD class rating doesn't really tell how good a card is and literally every SD card is different.
read this article for a better idea.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/09/s...lling-cards-i/
basically don't put in an SD card cause it'll probably fuck everything up.
read this article for a better idea.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/09/s...lling-cards-i/
basically don't put in an SD card cause it'll probably fuck everything up.
11-11-2010, 03:29 PM
#66
Three Wheelin'
Basically some phones have micro SD expandability, but it's not guaranteed to work because lack of speed and reliability of the cards. In other words, until Microsoft comes out with a list of approved cards, you shouldn't be using it.
11-12-2010, 03:38 PM
#67
Three Wheelin'
11-12-2010, 04:08 PM
#69
My Garage
compared to 600,000 in 24 hours for iphone 4, 40000 units for windows 7 is pretty shitty! i spent at least a good 30 minutes playing around with a new windows 7 phone at the att store and walked away quite disappointed. too many important features missing; there's no way i would trade my iphone 4 for it. starting from scratch isn't going to cut it for windows.
11-12-2010, 05:08 PM
#70
Three Wheelin'
The Kin is coming back. 
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/c...zon-wait-what/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/c...zon-wait-what/
Unbelievably, against all odds and better judgment, we are able to independently confirm that Microsoft's short-lived Kin One and Kin Two are coming back for an encore performance on Verizon, possibly as soon as this quarter -- but it won't quite be the same product you remember from earlier this year. The phones were famously bashed for the unrealistic plan pricing model that put them head-to-head with actual, full-fledged smartphones -- despite the fact that the devices were targeted squarely at tweens, teens, and twentysomethings -- and we're hearing that the revised phones will be totally, completely debundled from data services. Data-centric features like the Loop "are out," we're told -- but the good news is that you'll still be able to use one of the product's most redeeming qualities, Zune Pass, over WiFi if you're not signed up for a proper data plan. Of course, the value proposition of a Kin without... well, without its only value proposition is questionable at best, so we're thinking this might just be a way to clear huge backlogs of hardware inventory before pulling the plug on the program. Seriously, who wants a Kin without the unlimited photo uploads?
11-12-2010, 06:23 PM
#71
Sanest Florida Man
compared to 600,000 in 24 hours for iphone 4, 40000 units for windows 7 is pretty shitty! i spent at least a good 30 minutes playing around with a new windows 7 phone at the att store and walked away quite disappointed. too many important features missing; there's no way i would trade my iphone 4 for it. starting from scratch isn't going to cut it for windows.
This is a 1st gen phone just like the iPhone and android when they first came out they were both lacking in features but msft is gong to be updating WP7 much faster than the other two. They got an update coming out very soon that will be adding features and they'll be adding copy and paste in like 3 months and not three years like it took apple and apple did very well for years without copy and paste, multitasking or even MMS.
Did you know that 80% of people don't have a smartphone yet, the battle for smartphone supremacy is nowhere near over it's just beginning so don't think cause they don't have every feature right now at launch that it's over
Last edited by #1 STUNNA; 11-12-2010 at 06:33 PM.
11-13-2010, 07:11 PM
#72
Three Wheelin'
First off there's no proof that they only sold 40000, there no evidence to back it up, msft hasn't released any official numbers nor has anyone else.
This is a 1st gen phone just like the iPhone and android when they first came out they were both lacking in features but msft is gong to be updating WP7 much faster than the other two. They got an update coming out very soon that will be adding features and they'll be adding copy and paste in like 3 months and not three years like it took apple and apple did very well for years without copy and paste, multitasking or even MMS.
Did you know that 80% of people don't have a smartphone yet, the battle for smartphone supremacy is nowhere near over it's just beginning so don't think cause they don't have every feature right now at launch that it's over
This is a 1st gen phone just like the iPhone and android when they first came out they were both lacking in features but msft is gong to be updating WP7 much faster than the other two. They got an update coming out very soon that will be adding features and they'll be adding copy and paste in like 3 months and not three years like it took apple and apple did very well for years without copy and paste, multitasking or even MMS.
Did you know that 80% of people don't have a smartphone yet, the battle for smartphone supremacy is nowhere near over it's just beginning so don't think cause they don't have every feature right now at launch that it's over
Last edited by silver3.5; 11-13-2010 at 07:13 PM.
11-13-2010, 11:46 PM
#73
Sanest Florida Man
your facts are way off and your logic is horrible. Here's some recent facts mixed in with common sense.
For tech saavy people who actually know what multitasking or copy and paste is and find them to be ESSENTIAL features that they can't live without, is WP7 a good choice for them? No, not right now. For most people who have no idea what that is or actually cares is it a good choice, yes. Here's fact from Nielsen, in the US all smartphones, including all iPhones, all android, Win Mobile, Palm, Blackberry and Symbian devices combined only equal 28% of the total cell phone market. So that's 72% of people do not have a smart phone. I'll assume that a good portion of those people will get a smart phone in the future. That is a large untapped market of people that get by everyday using dumbphones without anywhere near the features that a WP7 device has, right now. A WP7 device right now will be great for them.
But remember WP7 will be adding features very rapidly, like they've already announced C&P within a few months and I'd expect mutli-tasking within a year from now. These features might be important to some people now but it will be a moot point within a few months or a year when they're added.
In 3 years people aren't going to not get a WP device because when it launched 3 years ago it didn't have copy and paste. No one gives a shit about that.
you're focusing on a couple features as if it's the end of the world, as if no one will get a phone if it doesn't have these features. maybe for you but not the average person. Like I said look at iPhones sales over the past 3 years, they've sold tens of millions of devices and none of them had multi-tasking while, RIM, Win Mobile, Android, Palm, Symbian did do multi-tasking. Yet that didn't stop Apple from selling millions of iPhones and becoming the darling phone of the industry with a customer satisfaction rating of like 95%+ because while it's nice to have multi-tasking isn't the most important thing in the world to most people. It's the rest of the experience which is where WP7 excels at.
And did you REALLY say that Windows Mobile 6.5 was an "excellent operating system"!?!? You lost all credibility when you said that. If it's so good then why has it's marketshare plummeted since the iPhone came out? If it was soo excellent then MS wouldn't have felt the need to throw it the fuck out and start over from scratch.
It's not so much about features as it is about the UI and does WP7 make doing normal tasks easier and more enjoyable than compared to the iPhone or Android. Another more important requirement is is WP7 available on my carrier. Once WP7 comes to Sprint and Verizon in 2011 (probably the same time they add copy and paste) it'll be a much wiser choice especially compared to the fragmented Android, and the craziness that it has become.
Nielsen article about smartphone marketshare
http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/...lphone-market/
For tech saavy people who actually know what multitasking or copy and paste is and find them to be ESSENTIAL features that they can't live without, is WP7 a good choice for them? No, not right now. For most people who have no idea what that is or actually cares is it a good choice, yes. Here's fact from Nielsen, in the US all smartphones, including all iPhones, all android, Win Mobile, Palm, Blackberry and Symbian devices combined only equal 28% of the total cell phone market. So that's 72% of people do not have a smart phone. I'll assume that a good portion of those people will get a smart phone in the future. That is a large untapped market of people that get by everyday using dumbphones without anywhere near the features that a WP7 device has, right now. A WP7 device right now will be great for them.
But remember WP7 will be adding features very rapidly, like they've already announced C&P within a few months and I'd expect mutli-tasking within a year from now. These features might be important to some people now but it will be a moot point within a few months or a year when they're added.
In 3 years people aren't going to not get a WP device because when it launched 3 years ago it didn't have copy and paste. No one gives a shit about that.
you're focusing on a couple features as if it's the end of the world, as if no one will get a phone if it doesn't have these features. maybe for you but not the average person. Like I said look at iPhones sales over the past 3 years, they've sold tens of millions of devices and none of them had multi-tasking while, RIM, Win Mobile, Android, Palm, Symbian did do multi-tasking. Yet that didn't stop Apple from selling millions of iPhones and becoming the darling phone of the industry with a customer satisfaction rating of like 95%+ because while it's nice to have multi-tasking isn't the most important thing in the world to most people. It's the rest of the experience which is where WP7 excels at.
And did you REALLY say that Windows Mobile 6.5 was an "excellent operating system"!?!? You lost all credibility when you said that. If it's so good then why has it's marketshare plummeted since the iPhone came out? If it was soo excellent then MS wouldn't have felt the need to throw it the fuck out and start over from scratch.
It's not so much about features as it is about the UI and does WP7 make doing normal tasks easier and more enjoyable than compared to the iPhone or Android. Another more important requirement is is WP7 available on my carrier. Once WP7 comes to Sprint and Verizon in 2011 (probably the same time they add copy and paste) it'll be a much wiser choice especially compared to the fragmented Android, and the craziness that it has become.
Nielsen article about smartphone marketshare
http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/...lphone-market/
Last edited by #1 STUNNA; 11-13-2010 at 11:49 PM.
11-13-2010, 11:59 PM
#74
Sanest Florida Man
and I don't think there's much loyalty among consumers in the smart phone market. Yes most people that bought an iPhone 4 were previous iPhone users much like myself but I didn't buy the iPhone 4 because it was an iPhone I got it cause it was the best phone for me at the time. If there was something I liked better than that then I would've jumped ship easily.
Just like my first gaming console was an NES, so when the next gen came along did I get an NES? Nope I went with Sega Genesis, then when the next gen came along did go with the next Sega or Nintendo console? Nope I got a playstation, but my next console after that was a PS2 cause it was better than the dreamcast. Now I have both a PS3 and 360. I buy what's the best for me at that time.
If iPhone is still better than Windows Phone when my contract is up then I'll get another iPhone but if WP is better than I'll jump ship and love every minute of it knowing that I have the best phone for me.
Just like my first gaming console was an NES, so when the next gen came along did I get an NES? Nope I went with Sega Genesis, then when the next gen came along did go with the next Sega or Nintendo console? Nope I got a playstation, but my next console after that was a PS2 cause it was better than the dreamcast. Now I have both a PS3 and 360. I buy what's the best for me at that time.
If iPhone is still better than Windows Phone when my contract is up then I'll get another iPhone but if WP is better than I'll jump ship and love every minute of it knowing that I have the best phone for me.
11-15-2010, 12:11 AM
#75
Three Wheelin'
wow....you work for windows or something? if you do, sorry but you lost already. no debate here! such tech info to back your opinions...but none of it are facts as well....good luck windows 7 fanboy! i'll stick to my iphone for now.
11-15-2010, 12:22 AM
#76
Sanest Florida Man
I'm not a WP7 fanboy. I don't even have one, I do however have and iPhone 4, ipad, mid 2010 Macbook Pro and a Mac Mini Server. I just know a good thing when I see it.
11-15-2010, 12:24 AM
#77
COTM Coordinator
Of all the smart phones that I have had I was always a fan of the WM smart phones starting with my HTC 8125. I have been through so many phones since then and always thought that the WM phones were the best. Even when I had my Droid I went again for the WM phone.
Then I got the iPhone 4 as a company phone and OMG. The iphone was just ridiculously better. The speed of the processor was amazing compared to the previous WM phones that I have had. I was able to see how so many smartphones had tried to copy the iPhone programs and have failed miserably.
Obviously WM isnt doing to well and when the iPhone comes to Verizon..... well, there are gonna be a hell of a lot more happy apple stock owners.
Then I got the iPhone 4 as a company phone and OMG. The iphone was just ridiculously better. The speed of the processor was amazing compared to the previous WM phones that I have had. I was able to see how so many smartphones had tried to copy the iPhone programs and have failed miserably.
Obviously WM isnt doing to well and when the iPhone comes to Verizon..... well, there are gonna be a hell of a lot more happy apple stock owners.
11-15-2010, 10:59 AM
#80
Sanest Florida Man
it is much better
