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What is in El Capitan that I need?
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What is in El Capitan that I need?
iWhackoff. New app that does everything for you. EVERYthing.


Actually:
http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/
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Wow, rub the trackpad a few times and the mouse gets an erection. This I have to see.
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update is 5.6GB
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
update is 5.6GB
Mine says 6.08GB
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Much better downloading today.
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Anyone proficient in Applescript?

I am wondering what the syntax would like like if someone had written a [.command] script to delete specific logs (system.log, security.log) from an OSX machine.

Any ideas?
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Encryption question...

I use W10 via Bootcamp and OSX, and I want both partitions encrypted.

I see all kinds of shenanigans are required to use FV2 on the OSX side and a Whole Disk Encryption on the windows side as well, due to number of entries in the MBR Windows uses and their placement.

Has anyone actually accomplished this? It seems crazy that I cannot encrypt both partitions...
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Seems like a recipe for disaster
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I've been running it for a couple months with only one issue!

FV on OS X and BitLocker on Windows

if the Mac has a TPM chip it's hidden from Windows, so you have to go into group policy to enable BitLocker without TPM but one you do you can use a password at boot up.

The one issue I have is that the Mac doesn't see the NTFS partition any more so you can't read files on the Windows partition while in OS X and also that little applescript Sly Raskal helped me make to easily boot into Windows from OS X doesn't work anymore. Though I'm not fully convinced that I can't fix that issue, I just haven't been annoyed enough to put in the effort yet.
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Note: my Mac is a little different, when I got it I wiped out OS X and installed Windows natively to it in UEFI mode and not Bootcamp's BIOS emulation garbage. I then used Internet Recovery to reinstall OS X to the other half of the drive. IDK if that makes a difference or not but that's what I did.
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OK, that sounds promising, I will look into the TPM issue.

My main issue is that both partitions are populated and I don't want to start from scratch to make this work...

Yes I could image both partitions, wipe and set up WDE and then blow the images back, but that's a PITA.
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I didn't wipe anything before encrypting with BitLocker. I just chose to encrypt the entire partition
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OK, backing up the W10 partition first.

What about the FV2? Were you starting from scratch or just "enabled" and ran with it?

What happens when you boot (Option-R)? You still get both "disks" and when you choose it asks for a password?
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I don't recall ever encrypting a drive before installing an OS. So no.

Yes both disk show up when you hold option and I'm prompted to enter the BL pw when I boot to Windows. Though I don't currently have a firmware password on my Mac and FV doesn't prompt me for a pw to boot into OS X besides my usual account pw.
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
I don't recall ever encrypting a drive before installing an OS. So no.

Yes both disk show up when you hold option and I'm prompted to enter the BL pw when I boot to Windows. Though I don't currently have a firmware password on my Mac and FV doesn't prompt me for a pw to boot into OS X besides my usual account pw.
OK, that's all very promising. Do you recall if you had to adjust the MBR at all?

This posting seems to indicate MBR problems...

How to use both FileVault2 and Bitlocker simultaneously on a dual-boot Mac running bootcamp | joeraff.org
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No I did nothing special. Now I want to double check that I have FV on but my batteries dead and I don't have my charger on me
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I mean I'm almost 100% that OS X has FV turned on but I can't check it right now. If it's not then I fucked up because I meant to.

But then maybe I never had to deal with any issues in the link because I wiped out my entire drive and set it up how I wanted it and didn't use OS X to create the boot camp partition and don't use the BIOS emulator to run Windows, it runs in full UEFI mode alongside OS X.
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
I mean I'm almost 100% that OS X has FV turned on but I can't check it right now. If it's not then I fucked up because I meant to.

But then maybe I never had to deal with any issues in the link because I wiped out my entire drive and set it up how I wanted it and didn't use OS X to create the boot camp partition and don't use the BIOS emulator to run Windows, it runs in full UEFI mode alongside OS X.


OK, well that's kind of an important detail you left out.
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No I didn't...

Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
Note: my Mac is a little different, when I got it I wiped out OS X and installed Windows natively to it in UEFI mode and not Bootcamp's BIOS emulation garbage. I then used Internet Recovery to reinstall OS X to the other half of the drive. IDK if that makes a difference or not but that's what I did.
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
No I didn't...
Oh yeah.

Well, global warming is fake.
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Well, the Palestinians are innocent victims who haven't done anything wrong.
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Touche.

Wait, they don't contribute to global warming?
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They do, we should wipe them off the map

Trump 2016!
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I checked and yes I do have FV enabled along with BL.

I did none of the things in that article to get both of them to work. It just worked when I tried it.

Here's my disk layout, notice that Windows was installed before OS X


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What happens when you power on the laptop? I assume you automatically get shown a UEFI boot option screen w/o having to hold OPTION right?

I have made a complete backup of each partition (OSX with SuperDuper! and W10 with DriveimageXML). I wonder if I can get mine set up the way you have it by wiping out the partitions, reinstalling the 2x OS's and then restoring the backups to their respective partitions...
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No it's boots into OS X unless I changed the startup disk to Windows, which I can change in Windows but not OS X. If it boots into Windows then I get the BitLocker Password screen.

IDK, my Windows OS drive is setup as GPT and not MBR. I don't think you can do GPT in Bootcamp since it emulates BIOS, and IDK if you can restore an MBR disk to a GPT disk.

Here's how I would do it.
  1. Boot to Windows install disc/USB
  2. Don't install choose repair installation
  3. advanced options > cmd prompt
  4. diskpart
  5. select disk 0
  6. clean
  7. exit
  8. exit
  9. turn off PC
  10. Boot into internet recovery (command + option + r)
  11. Partition drive in two partitions using disk utility (though you probably could do all the diskpart steps in disk utility too. I just know that's how I quickly wipe MBR drives and convert them to GPT (GPT initialization happens automatically during Windows install))
  12. boot back into windows install media
  13. Install OS as normal to first partition or restore from Windows Image backup
  14. do bitlocker now if you want
  15. boot into internet recovery and restore from backup (you should've used time machine)
  16. Turn on FileVault.

Can you go from MBR to GPT IDK, I'd probably ask you if I was in that situation.

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Ha! I love that my own idea I had 2 years ago unintentionally saved me a headache years later.

That link has pretty much the same steps as I said above just a little more thorough. Though I definitely installed OS X years before enabling Bitlocker (which I did 3-4 months ago) and BL didn't break it.

You can use diskpart to format the disks too but I personally prefer the GUI of disk utility.

FYI the latest Public build 1511 of Windows 10 has an improved version of BitLocker encryption on there.
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Apple is going to be replacing HFS+ with a new file system they're building. It's called APFS, here's a breakdown of the pros and cons of it from a ZFS developer

A ZFS developer's analysis of the good and bad in Apple's new APFS file system | Ars Technica
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
Encryption question...

I use W10 via Bootcamp and OSX, and I want both partitions encrypted.

I see all kinds of shenanigans are required to use FV2 on the OSX side and a Whole Disk Encryption on the windows side as well, due to number of entries in the MBR Windows uses and their placement.

Has anyone actually accomplished this? It seems crazy that I cannot encrypt both partitions...
Whatever happened with all this?
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
Apple is going to be replacing HFS+ with a new file system they're building. It's called APFS, here's a breakdown of the pros and cons of it from a ZFS developer

A ZFS developer's analysis of the good and bad in Apple's new APFS file system | Ars Technica
I think I wish that they would have just worked on ZFS and made it better instead of making another file system. But what do I know.
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
Whatever happened with all this?
Nothing, I am too chicken to try to encrypt a bootcamp partition or a HFS partition containing bootcamp bootloader.
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Beta of macOS Sierra now available.

Who's going to be a guinea pig?
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I went to WWDC and got the betas
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Apple rolled out updates to fix WPA2 KRACK flaw today in macOS. About time. Thanks

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208221

Apple iOS 11.1, macOS 10.13.1 Patch KRACK WiFi Flaw
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