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Peterson is expected to be out several months, but there's a chance he could potentially return for a December playoff run, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported, per a source informed of Peterson's situation
Even as someone who is generally against corporal punishment, I have empathy for him regarding the topic. The way he handled it was admirable. We all make mistakes. It's how we respond to the consequences that defines our character. AP seems to be a standup guy unlike many of his colleagues. At the very least, he was there with his son to discipline and guide him. How many players don't have a clue where their kids are at any given moment?
Good point, I just felt like he took it a bit too far
I remember my momma coming back from Singapore, where it's legal to cane people.
she brought back 5 bamboo sticks to whoop the shit out of my brother and I.
needless to say, we broke them motherfathers in halves.
Initially I just shook my head in disappointment when he first did his protest. I thought, great, more negative attention poured onto our team. But after reading up on it more, people made a good point. How else do they want him to protest it? Incite a riot? Block a major freeway during rush hour traffic? Or would they rather have him and other minorities just shut up and deal with it? People said the same thing about Martin Luther King Jr. - they liked his message, but that he was going about it the wrong way. So is the Malcolm X way more preferential? Military veterans did prefer Kap taking a knee instead of sitting, something I agree with more as well.
In a society where Brock Turner is sentenced 6 months for rape and Cory Batey (also an athlete at a university... but he's black) was sentenced to 15 years, there's an obvious discrepancy in the way justice is dispensed. Justice should be an impartial matter, and that's definitely not the case.
Originally Posted by Doom878
Yeah his protesting has offended many. Especially his attire choices with a Castro shirt and pigs socks.
Admittedly a poor choice of attire, unlike the patriotic cleats that Beckham and Cruz (who criticized Kap) wore on 9/11
But like this article points out, with the death of Terence Crutcher, where are Kaepernick's critics now?
Initially I just shook my head in disappointment when he first did his protest. I thought, great, more negative attention poured onto our team. But after reading up on it more, people made a good point. How else do they want him to protest it? Incite a riot? Block a major freeway during rush hour traffic? Or would they rather have him and other minorities just shut up and deal with it? People said the same thing about Martin Luther King Jr. - they liked his message, but that he was going about it the wrong way. So is the Malcolm X way more preferential? Military veterans did prefer Kap taking a knee instead of sitting, something I agree with more as well.
In a society where Brock Turner is sentenced 6 months for rape and Cory Batey (also an athlete at a university... but he's black) was sentenced to 15 years, there's an obvious discrepancy in the way justice is dispensed. Justice should be an impartial matter, and that's definitely not the case.
Admittedly a poor choice of attire, unlike the patriotic cleats that Beckham and Cruz (who criticized Kap) wore on 9/11
But like this article points out, with the death of Terence Crutcher, where are Kaepernick's critics now?
This has been on my mind as well. At least if I don't agree with Kap I can just change the channel. Imagine those people who have to deal with rioters, traffic, shooting, gas etc. Kap's protest is 1242341x more peaceful but yet still effective as it still gathered more attention.
How else do they want him to protest it? Incite a riot? Block a major freeway during rush hour traffic? Or would they rather have him and other minorities just shut up and deal with it?
1) Call a press conference
2) Wear something on his uniform he shouldn't
3) Stand and raise a fist like other players are now
4) Boycott a preseason game
5) Issue a statement in conjunction with other local leaders
6) Tweet something controversial
7) Engage other like-minded players in the NFL and do something coordinated
....
He's in the freaking NFL - he has a dozen ways of getting attention. You can't characterize this like refusing to stand was his only option. He chose this over many other viable options. It was the easiest and least imaginative option IMO.
Also, don't confuse objecting to his method of protest with objecting to his cause. What he's trying to draw attention to IS important. The way he went about it caused more distraction that help for his cause. And if he doesn't translate all this into something productive and tangible, I can't imagine a bigger fart in the wind than this.
When it first happened I was like fuck him. Burn his jersey.
Originally Posted by oo7spy
Even as someone who is generally against corporal punishment, I have empathy for him regarding the topic. The way he handled it was admirable. We all make mistakes. It's how we respond to the consequences that defines our character. AP seems to be a standup guy unlike many of his colleagues. At the very least, he was there with his son to discipline and guide him. How many players don't have a clue where their kids are at any given moment?
1) Call a press conference
2) Wear something on his uniform he shouldn't
3) Stand and raise a fist like other players are now
4) Boycott a preseason game
5) Issue a statement in conjunction with other local leaders
6) Tweet something controversial
7) Engage other like-minded players in the NFL and do something coordinated
....
He's in the freaking NFL - he has a dozen ways of getting attention. You can't characterize this like refusing to stand was his only option. He chose this over many other viable options. It was the easiest and least imaginative option IMO.
Also, don't confuse objecting to his method of protest with objecting to his cause. What he's trying to draw attention to IS important. The way he went about it caused more distraction that help for his cause. And if he doesn't translate all this into something productive and tangible, I can't imagine a bigger fart in the wind than this.
I actually haven't even been paying much mind to it all. I am mixed on the whole BLM thing - pissed off when it can interfere with a commute for hours, and not 100% on board with the intentions of many supporters, but at the same time wholly supportive of the first amendment and a prevalent problem in our society.
My point wasn't that his actions weren't his best choice. I agree with you, he could have went about it in a better way. It's just that it wasn't such an unforgivable atrocity that so many people are making it out to be. On the other hand, it's kind of smart, because some of the options you suggest would incur a fine or possible suspensions, causing him to lose potential millions, which he could redirect into helping the community with this whole ordeal. Which leads me to my next point... he already donated $1 million of his money towards charities committed to helping inner city communities. On top of that, he has pledged to donate all of his proceeds from jersey sales towards charity. As a result, his jersey is now currently the best seller. Nobody in the NFL since Tebow has topped jersey sales despite being near irrelevant playtime-wise
To address your points...
1 - He has addressed the media postgame already, where all eyes and ears will be on him
2 - NFL uniform policy is strict and would incur unnecessary fines
3 - I already mentioned I didn't like him sitting, and that kneeling was more respectful
7 - Perhaps not by intentional coordination, he has spurned not only other players in the NFL but in other major sports leagues to follow suit or do something similar. Alone, he is only one man, although one with enough money to make some sort of impact. But with others, they can accomplish a lot more.
It's just that it wasn't such an unforgivable atrocity that so many people are making it out to be.
It's just my opinion, but I think it is. Standing for the anthem has a lot of symbolic meaning. Even if it doesn't hold a lot of meaning for Kaep, it does for a lot of people who have given a lot for this country. Even if he doesn't want to stand himself, he should stand out of respect for the sacrifices of others. It's not an act of protest. It's an act of disrespect. He's elevating what HE wants to say over what others have done for him so he can enjoy the freedoms he greatly benefits from.
But to be clear I don't care if he wants to protest. But for me the act of disrespect downs out his message.
Originally Posted by Costco
On the other hand, it's kind of smart, because some of the options you suggest would incur a fine or possible suspensions, causing him to lose potential millions, which he could redirect into helping the community with this whole ordeal.
A $50K fine isn't going to take away from a donation. Being suspended would have been more noble and sincere IMO. He chose the path of least resistance that just happens to also be very offensive to a lot of people who are suffering from the sacrifices they made while he enjoys a life of privilege and excess that those sacrifices paid for.
He has legs to kneel with. A lot of people he's disrespecting don't. He has other options and he should have used them.
It's just my opinion, but I think it is. Standing for the anthem has a lot of symbolic meaning. Even if it doesn't hold a lot of meaning for Kaep, it does for a lot of people who have given a lot for this country. Even if he doesn't want to stand himself, he should stand out of respect for the sacrifices of others. It's not an act of protest. It's an act of disrespect. He's elevating what HE wants to say over what others have done for him so he can enjoy the freedoms he greatly benefits from.
But to be clear I don't care if he wants to protest. But for me the act of disrespect downs out his message.
A $50K fine isn't going to take away from a donation. Being suspended would have been more noble and sincere IMO. He chose the path of least resistance that just happens to also be very offensive to a lot of people who are suffering from the sacrifices they made while he enjoys a life of privilege and excess that those sacrifices paid for.
He has legs to kneel with. A lot of people he's disrespecting don't. He has other options and he should have used them.
Just my humble opinion.
Just because he is "privileged" and making a lot of money does not diminish his message, not in this particular case at least.
He already clarified that he isn't intent on disrespecting active and veteran military. He had a discussion with a former green beret, or ranger, I forget... who suggested kneeling instead of sitting. In any case, the point was made successfully. He is doing his part to follow up as well, so I'm not sure what else one could expect of him at this point. Ceasing his silent, peaceful protest would be the worst thing to do for his message.
Forgot to add, while there are a lot of military and police upset with Kaepernick, there were also a lot of veterans on twitter, including those injured while enlisted that support Kaepernick's cause. I don't see them necessarily disagreeing with his method, moreso his message. And very few have suggested alternatives like you have. At worst, there were people lambasting Kaepernick supporters, saying if you don't like this country, then go back to where you came from (lol)
I like how I'm somewhat informed on this all, despite saying how I haven't been really following it I truly aren't, people just love to talk about it
It doesn't bother me all that much, and I think it has made an impact even it that is just people like us having these conversations. Awareness is a huge hurdle when it comes to reform. As for his approach, there will always be alternatives that others will choose. I understand Louder's point about the men and women who have served, but I am willing to bet Kaep has plenty of respect for each one of them individually (Costco beat me to it). I was wholeheartedly against the Iraq War, but I supported the troops because they don't make the decisions. The anthem and the flag mean a ton to servicemen, but they aren't the only thing it symbolizes. It symbolizes freedom from persecution and justice for all. Let's be honest; it's better at symbolizing that than we are at implementing it.
Just because he is "privileged" and making a lot of money does not diminish his message, not in this particular case at least.
I'm not saying his status has anything to do with his message. His status has to do with his chosen method of delivering that message.
Originally Posted by Costco
He already clarified that he isn't intent on disrespecting active and veteran military.
Kaep's intent is of little consequence to me. So if I used the "N" word but "didn't intend any disrespect" that makes it OK? It wouldn't, and I should have enough respect for the people that it does offend to avoid it.
Originally Posted by Costco
Forgot to add, while there are a lot of military and police upset with Kaepernick, there were also a lot of veterans on twitter, including those injured while enlisted that support Kaepernick's cause.
You will find veterans split along two lines - part will find it disrespectful, and the other will be those who say "hey I fought for our freedom which includes his freedom of speech". What the latter is calling "OK" is his exercising free speech, not his literal sitting for the anthem.
So this is veering OT so I'll leave it at that. I was never a fan of Kaeps and it's not like I'm an SF fan so no real loss to either of us. But as a vet I think it's a big deal. His cause/intent is just fine by me and I think it's a legit issue worth of attention and discussion. To me he had a lot of options to deliver that message and picking this was unnecessary. I don't think any message should be more important than respecting the sacrifices people made to have the freedom to articulate a message in the first place. Never mind articulating it from a $19M salary paid for in part by the very people he's offending. He's free to do it, but he deserves every "boo" IMO.
Dan Le Batard brought up a great point. What happens in the NBA where the superstars are predominately black and the coach is white. Does the coach lose the locker room? What if LeBron kneels? The endorsements backed off from Brandon Marshall (story below). The Cavs already have protested with a shirt about one of the police shootings.
Apparently, Denver Broncos linebacker Brandon Marshall (not the Brandon Marshall who used to play wideout for the Dolphins) was dining with some friends at a Bayside restaurant when the shots rang out. During the ordeal, Marshall says, he tried to leave the restaurant when five police officers charged him, handcuffed him, threw him into a cop car on charges of "resisting arrest," and then let him go on the condition he promised to keep quiet.
He revealed the arrest in a Denver Postop-ed last week. The op-ed didn't mention the exact location of the arrest; two days ago, he told a Denver TV station the incident occurred at Bayside.
Oddly, that station reported there were no records of Marshall's arrest. Speaking to New Times today, a City of Miami Police spokesperson said she did not have any more information about the ordeal.
"It's an active investigation," she said. "We have no records available or comment right now."
Last week, Marshall joined San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick in putting a knee on the ground during the National Anthem. Kaepernick started the movement to raise awareness about black inequality and race-based police violence — many other NFL stars, including four Miami Dolphins, have joined the protest.
Marshall used his September 14 Post op-ed to explain why he was on one knee. In the piece, he said he would donate $300 to charity organizations for every tackle he makes this year. Then he explained what he says happened in Miami:
I was in Miami with three others at a restaurant and there was a shooting. Everybody ducked under the table out of fear, and a cop came in and told us it was fine, that it was just fireworks. We knew that wasn’t the truth.
We began to leave the only way we knew, but there was a lady in regular street clothes directing traffic, telling us, “Go this way, go this way!” At a serious, scary moment a lady I didn’t know was telling me which way to go, and I didn’t trust it.
We went our own way, and she yelled to the cops, “Stop him! Get him!” When I turned around, about five officers rushed toward me to take me down. They tried to take me down up top, then they tried to grab my legs. One of the cops pointed a Taser at my chest. They handcuffed me and I heard one say, “Take him in for resisting.”
I was in the back of the police car headed to the station when one of the officers radioes in and said, “Bring him back.” They told me, “Look, we’re not going to take you in as long as you keep this between us.”
For now, there isn't any direct evidence that ties Marshall to Bayside that night. But it's clear one male was detained and released. Miami PD's Twitter account that night references detaining one male "with firearm" who was then let go. They said he was not related to the shooting, but did not describe him further.Subject detained with firearm was not involved. He was released. Two missing kids as a result of evacuation at Bayside have been recovered.
An archive of the City of Miami's radio transmission that night shows police detained one man "underneath Mojito Bar, directly underneath Hooters," at Bayside that night.
Police Chief Rodolfo Llanes said in a news conference about the incident that one "unrelated arrest was made in the area:"
Llanes said the shots rang out around 9:51 p.m. that night. One Reddit user, Pistoleros, described the event online:
"Everyone started running and yelling. People were jumping in the ocean calling for their kids and family members," the Redditor wrote. Miami Police dispatch radio also reported that at least one person fell into the bay during the chaos.
Marshall hasn't yet said if he'll file a complaint against Miami PD.
I hated the Pats.... couldn't stand them... but since TB has been out and they're still 3-0 without him... respect must be given.
A 3rd string QB helped destroy the Texans... man... that's gotta hurt. Props to the Pats defense also. It's also likely much harder to cheat if you're playing defense
Only good thing on the Texans is Watt #99. I went to high school with the kid. Kind of disgusting to think he is making 20-25 Million a year and I will make a 1/4th of that in my life time! Nice kid with a good head on his shoulders! NFL needs more players like that.
09-21-2016, 11:46 AM
Military veterans did prefer Kap taking a knee instead of sitting, something I agree with more as well.
